TheUlyssesian 2,467 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 By himself Williams won't have a chance. He will be nominated for sure though. But the recent score winners have been all trash - as in not terrible scores but terrible choices for best of the year. So honestly, I wouldn't bet on Williams winning at all. The only way it wins as someone said above is if the film becomes the de fact front runner for best picture and best director. That would help it. That's how Desplat won for The Shape of Water. I don't think anyone in the Academy is going to feel that Williams is due in any way though we might all believe that. They clearly think we've given this guy 5 Oscars, that's enough for now. So yes, baring some huge change, I don't think Williams is winning at all. I think Reznor or Hildur or Hurwitz are all much more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,032 Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I think Reznor or Hildur or Hurwitz are all much more likely. If JW doesn't win I would be fine if Hurwitz won, can't say the same for the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 I know it's the sophisticated stance to be like "Ugh, shallow Hollywood only wants to celebrate the 'power' of storytelling/movies like the self-serving narcissists they are." Which I totally understand, but I'm often an easy mark for those kinds of stories when they feel sincere. Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 If it follows last years trend, Hildur will have a much higher chance of winning because she's a woman. I guessed EVERY SINGLE WINNER last year according to how many "checkmarks" the nominees had. It's like they even rehearsed their "special deaf applause" bit before announcing Coda as best picture . It nearly made me never want to watch the Oscars again when it used to me my favorite night of the year. I'm just hoping a film about the "magic of movies" might remind them of who should actually win and what the essence of cinema really is. Not Mr. Big, TolkienSS and BB-8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,280 Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 After 70 years of men being in favour in the business for no reason except their sex, I think, we can stand a few years with women being preferred. Taikomochi, Marian Schedenig, HunterTech and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 It's just women didn't go into that line of work like composer or director, not that they were discriminated against. And if a women directs a film she still has to earn her nomination , not automatically be nominated because she's the only woman who directed a film that year or Natalie Portman said so (see her angry onstage rant a few years back when she presented the best director award) . I have nothing against a woman winning if she actually did the best work that year. I've never seen a time where an actress was seen as inferior to an actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 25 minutes ago, King Mark said: I've never seen a time where an actress was seen as inferior to an actor. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/15/hollywoods-gender-pay-gap-revealed-male-stars-earn-1m-more-per-film-than-women michael_grig, Docteur Qui, Marian Schedenig and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Didn't member @KK confirm that the score doesn't amount to much in context of the movie (he saw it)? He singled out the theme for the mother as nice and that was about it. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 yeah we might not think the score is that great either. We already got hints that the score is "sparse", consists mostly of light piano, so far praised by "hip" critics who usually dislike JW's style and KK's mention that he only noticed 1 theme, and speculation the OST might have filler songs. It might also be mixed so low we can barely hear it in the film, which tends to happen to most JW scores since the mid 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,619 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Sounds like it'll be the ultimate 'concept' album where 17 of the 20 minutes of score he wrote are released, and the rest is needledrops and other random stuff. Which itself is perhaps an indication that the score itself might just be a few very pleasant pieces. I can't be the only one here who's had somewhat more musical excitements lately than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,280 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Let's hope, the album does not just contain excerpts of the actual score, but also some suites of the main themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,265 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 The movie could probably be the last collaboration between Spielberg and JW, one of the most successful director/composer duos in history and yet SS prefers to fill a big part of the movie with pre-existing songs while the Williams score is just a bunch of light piano pieces that cover about 15% of the movie. I'm really disappointing, and I expected more from Spielberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,043 Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 Nonsense. The director's job is the make the most effective movie possible. Your relationship with any of the collaborators shouldn't override your duty to that goal. Brundlefly, mrbellamy, GerateWohl and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,265 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Maybe, but since I'm more of a Williams fan than a Spielberg fan (actually, these days I've been more film score fan than movie fan), I'm still disappointed with what will be their final movie will have a light, inconsequential score. Which is a shame, this could've inspired a truly great, emotional score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 796 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Maybe, but since I'm more of a Williams fan than a Spielberg fan (actually, these days I've been more film score fan than movie fan), I'm still disappointed with what will be their final movie will have a light, inconsequential score. Which is a shame, this could've inspired a truly great, emotional score. I envy you that you’ve heard the score already. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 From the trailer images I could easily imagine a big, emotional traditional Williams score but it doesn't look like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 Too many of you are already passing assumptions based on reviews and impressions stated by other people as facts. Just wait until you’ve at least listened to the album. Sandor, Brando, ConorPower and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,265 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Exactly. I'll never forgive Spielberg for, in their final collaboration, he plasters the movie with whatever the fuck classical music he enjoys, while JW takes the back seat. I don't care if "iT hElPs tHe MoViE". This should've been special, and it won't, thanks to his fucking nostalgia for his mom playing the piano. BB-8, Brando and TownerFan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,043 Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 You sound like a crazy person here, showing no semblance of rational thinking at all crumbs, Sandor, TownerFan and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,032 Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 Indy 5 is def more anticipated for me. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 I look forward to hearing both scores a lot, and do suspect I will end up listening to Indy 5 more than Fabelmans in the long run Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Exactly. I'll never forgive Spielberg for, in their final collaboration, he plasters the movie with whatever the fuck classical music he enjoys, while JW takes the back seat. I don't care if "iT hElPs tHe MoViE". This should've been special, and it won't, thanks to his fucking nostalgia for his mom playing the piano. Maybe Spielberg was thinking that his friend is 90 years old and already had a gigantic film to score.... HunterTech and Not Mr. Big 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 That's just as much nonsense as the other idea Once and Sandor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,612 Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 I heard from a cousin of a friend of a friend that Williams decided to retire because of what Spielberg did. Bayesian, crumbs and Brando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 972 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Just now, Jay said: That's just as much nonsense as the other idea Is it though? If JW wasn't able to do Bridge of Spies and RPO on account of being busy with SW, then is it particularly implausible that Spielberg would want their last collaboration to be lite on account of being busy with Indy 5 this time? Of course, it being a more personal film for Steven is the more likely reason it's turned out like it has (plus the schedules probably disproving much of what's speculated here), but I don't know if I'd think it's too far fetched of an assumption to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Just now, HunterTech said: is it particularly implausible that Spielberg would want their last collaboration to be lite on account of being busy with Indy 5 this time? I'd say so, yes. Spielberg is a director who can get anything he wants for his films. I'm sure the music in the film is exactly what he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 401 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 4 hours ago, GerateWohl said: After 70 years of men being in favour in the business for no reason except their sex, I think, we can stand a few years with women being preferred. If you're saying men won awards for 70 years to spite women, you're insane. To quote Ricky Gervais: let's go back a few years when female directors weren't even hired. That will solve the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, HunterTech said: Is it though? If JW wasn't able to do Bridge of Spies and RPO on account of being busy with SW, then is it particularly implausible that Spielberg would want their last collaboration to be lite on account of being busy with Indy 5 this time? John’s schedule is carefully planned. He wrote all of The Fabelmans before tackling Indy 5. People here should really stop making inconsequential claims about things they clearly have no idea about. Brando, HunterTech, Disco Stu and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWFan Moderators 100 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 In this thread about The Fabelmans score, a discussion of its chances to win an Oscar can be considered on topic, but a wider discussion about gender politics in movie-making and award-giving is not. Let's stay focused on the topic at hand in threads like this one. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Edmilson is being actually ridiculous here. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HunterTech 972 Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, TownerFan said: John’s schedule is carefully planned. He wrote all of The Fabelmans before tackling Indy 5. People here should really stop making inconsequential claims about things they clearly have no idea about. 23 minutes ago, HunterTech said: Of course, it being a more personal film for Steven is the more likely reason it's turned out like it has (plus the schedules probably disproving much of what's speculated here), but I don't know if I'd think it's too far fetched of an assumption to make. Might as well point it out before people assume I was trying to only fuel unnecessary speculation I think a few trying to want The Fabelmans as this sort of "grand finale" for the long history of SS/JW collabs is really setting themselves up for disappointment, since there's quite no way of knowing yet what they're trying to achieve here. It's a world of difference seeing the product for yourself instead of simply going off the descriptions of others. igger6, Brando, TownerFan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,823 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 I think at the end of the day, this is Steven Spielberg’s movie, not John Williams. Whether he chose to use pre-existing material or score is up to him in order to show his vision for the film. You can choose to be disappointed if you want, but at least watch the movie before passing judgement on it. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 Let's be honest, Williams missed the mark on this one. The writing is clearly on the walls. The fact it's nothing more than just a few piano sketches is enough to show that Williams really didn't have his heart in it. Didn't even put in the time or effort to use a full orchestra. I'm seeing lukewarm words like "amazing," "masterful," and "emotional" repeatedly online to describe the score, but these subjective terms are meaningless in the face of what we should have gotten. I'm literally shaking right now trying to hold back tears at the thought of what could have been. Holko, eitam, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brando said: I think at the end of the day, this is Steven Spielberg’s movie, not John Williams. Whether he chose to use pre-existing material or score is up to him in order to show his vision for the film. You can choose to be disappointed if you want, but at least watch the movie before passing judgement on it. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,854 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Wait, so we're not getting a 40-minute medley of every theme that John has ever written for a Spielberg film with Epic Choir™? Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyD 1,220 Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 What is happening? How about actually seeing the film when it comes out and listening to the actual score when it comes out? If people who actually saw the film said it was a masterpiece and described the Maestro's score as "masterful," "amazing," and "emotional," then I look forward to seeing the film and getting the soundtrack more than I already was. TownerFan, Brando and Sandor 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,612 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 From IGN's review: Steven Spielberg goes autobiographical with The Fabelmans, his warmest and most personal film to date. With a coming-of-age story that is universal in its portrayal of misunderstood artists and broken homes, but hyper-specific in its portrayal of the childhood that formed a legendary filmmaker, this is a therapy session turned into a hugely entertaining movie, aided by a fantastic cast, and one of John Williams' best scores in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,265 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Edmilson is being actually ridiculous here. Until I decided otherwise, I'm certain this movie is nothing but a missed opportunity for me. Don't like what I say here? I don't care. I'll continue saying so. Either put me on ignore or go cry in your bed because it's warmer there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 That's a nice way to make friends in a place you want to share thoughts at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 I’ll take any new music I can get, as sparse as it might be, from someone who statistically should be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 This thread just keeps getting better and better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Honestly at this point I'm not against just locking Fabelmans threads until the thing is out, Christ almighty Disco Stu and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HunterTech 972 Posted September 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2022 I'm more bothered by the idea that a smaller JW score is something that can't be appreciated, since a more piano led affair sounds fairly appealing tbh. Not Mr. Big, Muad'Dib and Brundlefly 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,032 Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, HunterTech said: I'm more bothered by the idea that a smaller JW score is something that can't be appreciated, since a more piano led affair sounds fairly appealing tbh. I’ll wait till I see it to comment, more of the issue I seem to be hearing is that there are only 2 more guaranteed scores left and it doesn’t seem like there is a-lot going on musically here but we’ll find out in November Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ocelot 508 Posted September 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2022 What on Earth, lol. Look, Williams gives gorgeous smaller scores. Angela's Ashes, Schindler's List, Sabrina, etc etc etc. Considering the last two scores coming out are so different, I can't wait to have a smaller more intimate score and a big adventure one. Seems fitting to end with his two beautiful styles. As for light piano pieces. Many people watching it might be confusing the "pop" of era with that, plus it is up to Spielberg, who knows and loves music so much, that he will serve his film with what is best. And he adores Williams so they would have come up with the best for the movie. Personally I am looking forward to it. crumbs, TownerFan, Not Mr. Big and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,205 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,410 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Gibster said: Indy 5 is def more anticipated for me. But with Spielberg backing out as director there's a strange feeling about this being JW's final film score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,280 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 I mean, Spielberg already made movies that seemed to me rather like a canvas for Williams' score than an actual movie. Hook comes to mind or CE3K. But this here seems to be really a very personal movie for Spielberg and as much his work usually reflects his dedication to Williams' music, Williams shows the same admiration and dedication to Spielberg's work and tries to support with his musical skills to make the best movie possible, which, what he repeatetly mentions, is also to leave music away, where the pictures better work on their own. That gave us short scores like Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List and The Post, which are in many people's favourite lists. I don't understand this fixation on pure score quantity to be honest. I expect not less than a movie that will be a key experience for many of us, who grew up with the film world of Steven Spielberg, whos way to experience and think in movies has been influenced by early movie experiences like E.T., Indiana Jones, JP etc. I am really looking forward to this. Sandor and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Guernsey 2,223 Posted September 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2022 I have to admit that, based on the description of the film before any clips or trailers or anything came out, I rather expected it to be quite intimate and low key, so I'm not especially shocked to find out that this is the case. I've said before that for me, Spielberg has almost needed JW less and less as his career progressed - his early to mid-period films really are canvasses for expansive, prominent music which tells the story within the movie, but that's a less essential component since the turn of the century. I'm sure The Fabelmans will be charming, but I don't expect to be blown away by it, and that's just fine. MaxTheHouseelf, crumbs, GerateWohl and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliandra 90 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 I just saw this on Twitter. One guy who didn't seem especially enamored by the new JW score: It wasn't even one of his top ten favorite scores from films that premiered at the festival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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