Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2022 A thing to consider: the film is Spielberg's love letter to his parents, whom he loved immensely and who both passed away not too long ago. Steven often brought both of them to attend John's scoring sessions over the years and JW himself came to know both quite well, so it's fair to assume that this was personal and intimate for him too. From all I saw so far, it feels just right to score such a personal story with an intimate chamber-like approach instead of going bombastic. This probably will disappoint people who were expecting Adventures on Earth Part 2, but what we'll end up getting is for sure something that both director and composer felt was right for this film. ricsim88, bollemanneke, Jay and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2022 Williams has nothing to prove, no need to make some “final statement.” He will give the film in front of him the score it needs like he always does. GerateWohl, ricsim88, blondheim and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,465 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 "...a rousing and deeply intimate score by John Williams – the best he's been in years – with a prominent piano that serves as an homage to Spielberg's mother." "...and one of John Williams' best scores in years." Source: The Fabelmans Review - IGN Sandor and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Williams has nothing to prove, no need to make some “final statement.” He will give the film in front of him the score it needs like he always does. I agree with Disco Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jay said: I agree with Disco Stu. That used to be a forum meme, but then I got more disagreeable over the years and it fell out of use bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 I think you just enjoy posting hot takes because it amuses you Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 There are certainly forum members who far out-do me in the hot takes department! Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted September 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2022 Surprised by the angst over a score nobody's heard, based entirely off brief descriptions from a few critics (most of whom are praising the score as his best work in years!) I bet if you asked most critics to describe A.I. after seeing the film, most would call it "emotional, restrained and piano-heavy" too... and that score is a goddamn masterpiece. And let's not forget Williams generally records music exclusive for his albums, unintended for the film. Always had barely 45 minutes of music in the film yet, as the expansion revealed, had twice as much recorded. Lincoln too, with an expansive score recorded but used only sparingly in the film. It couldn't have worked out better that Williams' two final scores would be at opposite ends of the musical spectrum. Potentially his most intimate and personal collaboration with Spielberg, paired with a rousing crowd-pleaser that brings his most popular legacy theme full circle. And for all we know it was Spielberg himself who talked Williams into sticking around for Indy 5, after departing the project. Everyone wins here! I can't understand the disappointment, especially when the former is receiving near-universal praise from audiences, and the latter has spoken for itself in the glorious concert suite we heard last week. Andy, Arpy, Chewy and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,475 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 I was invited to the screening but didn't have a visa to go to Canada. I could have laid on all this murkiness to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,650 Posted September 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I was invited to the screening but didn't have a visa to go to Canada. I could have laid on all this murkiness to bed. I think they also accept Mastercard. Loert, crumbs, WDG01 and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 This reaction on this forum is very typical; some have set up the idea of the score in their minds before going into which will undoubtedly affect how they receive it once it's out. MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Having recently gotten into some smaller JW scores through new expansions and streaming exploration, like Accidental Tourist, Always and Presumed Innocent, I'm completely open towards this one! AI has a lot of smallish cues and a piano-heavy finale, and it's still one of JW's best. Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Does the score have end credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted September 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2022 Listening to The Fury while reading this thread was a mistake, jesus christ this is too intense. eitam, igger6, Joni Wiljami and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,650 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 22 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Does the score have end credits? Are you asking if the Toronto premiere included the end credits? I would guess no. I don't see a scenario where the released version will not be 100% JW for the credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Reviewer calls the score an ‘absolute all-timer’. https://fandomwire.com/the-fabelmans-one-of-steven-spielbergs-most-tender-films-yet?amp_markup=1 BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,649 Posted September 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2022 Frankly, I’ve never seen such a collection of cowardly worms as these movie “critics,” who lack the cajones to give this movie the F+ grade it deserves for its title. Not Mr. Big, Bayesian and Tom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 hours ago, mstrox said: Frankly, I’ve never seen such a collection of cowardly worms as these movie “critics,” who lack the cajones to give this movie the F+ grade it deserves for its title. F + abelmans Bayesian, Andy, Tom and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 ‘The musical score by John Williams, albeit less memorable when compared to his past iconic collaborations with Spielberg, still captivates and is a gorgeous supporting facet throughout The Fabelmans.’ https://discussingfilm.net/2022/09/12/the-fabelmans-review-an-endearing-tale-for-the-ages/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post toothless 963 Posted September 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2022 It’s funny how critics like to point out when a Williams score isn’t instantly memorable while praising any other sound design-y score by other composers. WDG01, Taikomochi, Remco and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 ‘And John Williams’s musical score is absolutely incredible, even if it is largely just piano themes. The piano works so well with the story as Mitzi Fabelman is a piano player, with each theme Williams composed perfectly capturing the emotion of every scene of the film.’ https://www.moviescenecanada.com/fabelmanstiffreview ‘[…] John Williams‘ gently nostalgic score.’ https://theplaylist.net/the-fabelmans-review-steven-spielberg-bares-his-soul-in-his-most-personal-film-tiff-20220911/ Falstaft and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Reposted from The Fabelmans movie thread, in case anyone missed it: Quote Just as my film brain is always focusing on the camera movement and editing, my film score ears are tuned in to catch and place as much music as possible. Williams’ score is sparse but thoughtfully spotted and quite elegant in a sombre way, as KK has already mentioned. My estimate is probably not much more than a half-hour of original music, if even that much. It’s possible Williams wrote and recorded some other suites or arrangements intended for the album, but otherwise I imagine the OST will be a combination of licensed music and original score. There are a couple period needledrops from the radio, a number of classical piano pieces played by his mother (credits listed Satie’s Gymnopedie, and others by Beethoven, Haydn, and maybe Bach), as well as some diegetic Western music heard on records during the movie screenings (I recognized the villain theme from Bernstein’s The Magnificent Seven and the title melody from Newman’s How The West Was Won, credits also listed something by Victor Young, Max Steiner’s The Searchers, and more Alfred Newman- Captain From Castile may have been it). As far as Williams’ score goes, there’s one main idea for celeste, strings, harp, and what I think was an oboe or clarinet. It appears about three times in the film proper, and is also the basis for the 4 to 5-minute end credits suite, which is a unique recording and the longest piece of music altogether. That one is sure to get a lot of plays. All the players are listed, including a standard string section, french horns, and soloists on piano, celeste, and guitar. Whoever drew the Book Thief comparison was about as close as they could have gotten, even though this is still pretty unique territory from a functional standpoint. Being reminded of Williams' grace and deftness after the sequel trilogy years of wall-to-wall tentpole scoring is of course another testament to his genius. Certainly worth a closer listen. Quote If I had to guess, I'm thinking the OST will be a mix of the classical piano, which I suspect Williams may have even lightly arranged to fit the film, interspersed between a few actual score cues and any other potentially unused pieces or suites. Again, there's really not a lot of Williams music, but that combination would form a coherent listening experience and probably bring the album to around The Post length. Keep an open mind and we'll see! The credits cue is a lovely summary and maybe the only significant full piece aside from the first appearance of the main theme. Original post: Disco Stu and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Slightly preemptive word of caution for anyone on the hype train who was getting their hopes up about the chance of another gold statuette for Williams. It's honestly a little funny to read many of the reviews citing the mother's "memorable" piano pieces which are understandably being misidentified by some press members as original score instead of pre-existing classical music. I don't know what the Academy's rules are for this particular category anymore but I wouldn't be all that surprised if somehow Williams winds up being ineligible for the nomination and nobody realizes it yet because the critics...don't know any better? I mean, the ratio is pretty significant. There's simply not that much Williams material here, even though it is quite lovely. Nothing certain, just something to keep in mind as we wait for the awards campaign to kick off. Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 If it were somehow deemed eligible, the fact that voters would be too ignorant to know most of the score isn’t Williams seems like the type of thing that would make a win more likely. The Oscars love fucking that stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,650 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 39 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Slightly preemptive word of caution for anyone on the hype train who was getting their hopes up about the chance of another gold statuette for Williams. It's honestly a little funny to read all the reviews citing the mother's "memorable" piano pieces which are understandably being misidentified by press members as original score instead of pre-existing classical music. I don't know what the Academy's rules are for this particular category anymore but I wouldn't be all that surprised if somehow Williams winds up being ineligible for the nomination and nobody realizes it yet because the critics...don't know any better? I mean, the ratio is pretty significant. There's simply not that much Williams material here, even though it is quite lovely. Nothing certain, just something to keep in mind as we wait for the awards campaign to kick off. I like the caution. However, I don't think many here think this score (whether it is 30 minutes of brilliance or 2 hours) would realistically win an Oscar--we have a long conversation about such in another thread. I would love to be proven wrong, but Williams will never win another one. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 How good or bad a score is it not really a factor in whether or not it wins the Oscar for best score these days. Though, there is some prestige to getting nominated still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,475 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 hour ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Slightly preemptive word of caution for anyone on the hype train who was getting their hopes up about the chance of another gold statuette for Williams. It's honestly a little funny to read all the reviews citing the mother's "memorable" piano pieces which are understandably being misidentified by press members as original score instead of pre-existing classical music. I don't know what the Academy's rules are for this particular category anymore but I wouldn't be all that surprised if somehow Williams winds up being ineligible for the nomination and nobody realizes it yet because the critics...don't know any better? I mean, the ratio is pretty significant. There's simply not that much Williams material here, even though it is quite lovely. Nothing certain, just something to keep in mind as we wait for the awards campaign to kick off. Oh they changed the rules recently. Only 35% of the music needs to be original score to qualify now I think. It used to be 60%. Source: https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/2022-oscars-rule-changes-academy-awards-9595361/ So yes, Williams will qualify. Yes, he will be nominated. No, he won't win. UNLESS The Fabelmans becomes this big thing where it is winning like 6-7 oscars in that case Score will be added to that tally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 So all the critics praise so far is for the non-Williams classical music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,650 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 56 minutes ago, King Mark said: So all the critics praise so far is for the non-Williams classical music? With Star Wars, John Williams brought orchestral scoring back into the mainstream. With The Fabelmans, he brings classical music itself back into the mainstream. The man is a genius. Gurkensalat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sandor 797 Posted September 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2022 If there is one thing I've learned over the years, is that the Best Original Score winner is almost always linked to a film that has a certain momentum to it. Brokeback Mountain had a sparse and minimalistic score, but the film was much better received than Memoirs Of A Geisha. Had Memoirs fared better with critics at the time, I could have seen Williams winning the Oscar that year. The same goes for The Hateful Eight by Ennio Morricone. The amount of music he wrote for that film was very limited, especially compared to The Force Awakens. Morricone's music supporting the main title sequence was instantly memorable though -there was no way around it- and Tarantino's film was well received. Had Morricone written the same score for a less prominent film, I doubt it would even be nominated as many great scores by the Italian master were ignored in the past. With The Hateful Eight, everything fell into place. I could see this happening with The Fabelmans as well, no matter how small or insignificant the actual score is. Williams winning the award at 90 years old could be a strategic choice by the Academy. It will make positive headlines and it's exactly the kind of exposure the institute needs after the infamous 'Oscar slap' last year. Call me naive or whatever, but regardless of the quality or quantity of the score, I think The Fabelmans has a fair chance of winning for Best Original Score next year if the momentum around the films keeps strong and building. Will, ocelot, MaxTheHouseelf and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 If a considerable amount of the classical pieces heard in the movie are used as diegetic music (as being played by the mother), do they still count towards the overall percentage of original Vs pree existing music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,475 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Romão said: If a considerable amount of the classical pieces heard in the movie are used as diegetic music (as being played by the mother), do they still count towards the overall percentage of original Vs pree existing music? Yes. Of all the music heard in the film, original score has to be 35%. If the academy thinks that too many songs or existing music are diluting the original score, then a score is disqualified- like Arrival for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 The best cue’s in The Hateful 8 weren’t even composed for that movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,037 Posted September 19, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2022 How quickly can we get a mockup of that sheet? Jay, Muad'Dib and BB-8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted September 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2022 36 minutes ago, Gibster said: How quickly can we get a mockup of that sheet? Can’t help you there, but looks like there’s at least one album arrangement. One of these appears to be entitled “Mom’s Dance”, with no slate, like a film cue would usually have: Also, I can make out a “v2 Alt End” and a “v3” in the slates of the other titles, so even if it’s a short score, there were definitely some alternates composed. Holko, Muad'Dib, Once and 8 others 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,630 Posted September 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2022 If Williams didn't have time to provide a more substantial score it's Spielberg's fault again, always releasing a film when Williams is busy with a big franchise score(Harry Potter, Star Wars). Since his films aren't too frequent he could have picked another release window crumbs, Ricard, Richard Penna and 3 others 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,465 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Perhaps Spielberg was like... Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Another review describes the score as "stirring and sweeping": http://thejamreport.com/2022/09/21/tiff-review-the-fabelmans-radiates-with-an-unassuming-and-warm-old-school-charm-thats-impossible-to-resist/ Brando and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,630 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 So is it "sweeping and stirring" or "light piano cues"? some reviews make it sound like E.T. and others Stanley and Iris Will, Tydirium, eitam and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sandor 797 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 On 19/9/2022 at 3:08 PM, Gibster said: The best cue’s in The Hateful 8 weren’t even composed for that movie This was composed specifically for the film and it is in my opinion one of the best things ever written for film. Holko, WDG01 and Muad'Dib 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 No idea if it was written for the film originally or not, but I like the Lincoln letter music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Sandor said: This was composed specifically for the film and it is in my opinion one of the best things ever written for film. I honestly don’t get the love for this score (or this track). I love plenty of Morricone’s other scores, but this is so repetitive. It sounds lazy. Still haven’t seen the film. Taikomochi and Joni Wiljami 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Tydirium said: I honestly don’t get the love for this score (or this track). I love plenty of Morricone’s other scores, but this is so repetitive. It sounds lazy. Still haven’t seen the film. Yes, it is repetitive from a melodic viewpoint -much like Ravel's Bolero-, but the arrangement and orchestrations keep the piece interesting and fresh throughout. I find it a haunting and hypnotic composition, a definite highlight in the maestro's final years. Muad'Dib and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I heard that for the first time just now and I'd definitely be amongst its supporters. It's repetitive but it keeps changing and building. Wouldn't say it's one of the finest cues ever written or anything, but it's nice. Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Alright you clever mockup people... have at it! Enhanced version of the sheet music posted the other day: enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,650 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 I wonder if mom dances like a Greek. igger6, BB-8, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 She spends 2.5 hours doing the Zorba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 It would be WIlliams' biggest hit since many years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,359 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Alright you clever mockup people... have at it! Enhanced version of the sheet music posted the other day: You know, if word of this gets around enough, they’re gonna ask people to stop posting any pics at all from inside the scoring stage 😉 (mind you, with JW retiring, I suppose it’s all moot.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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