The Fabelmans - OST Album

[Bespin 8,480]

2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

 

My bet is that it starts with the Haydn piece and transitions to Williams and that the track will be majority Williams.

 

 

Will the theme be Haydn?

 

Sorry.

[Jay 37,351]

5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

 

My bet is that it starts with the Haydn piece and transitions to Williams and that the track will be majority Williams.

 

 

I am still hopeful the final FYC track will give us a clean version of "The Journey Begins"

 

 

3 minutes ago, Bespin said:

Will the theme be Haydn?

 

Sorry.

 

What?

[Bespin 8,480]

Haydn... Hidden...

 

I wrote "Sorry"!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

I am still hopeful the final FYC track will give a clean version of Williams' cue here

 

This would be nice, with the caveat that if Williams wrote a specific transition out of the Haydn piece, then I wouldn't want this because it wouldn't really make sense.  It's all speculation, we'll find out next week!

[crumbs 14,306]

The film ends with Haydn? 

[BB-8 3,473]

https://www.soundtrack-board.de/topic/19219-sony-classical-john-williams-the-fabelmans/?do=findComment&comment=432180

[Jay 37,351]

4 minutes ago, BB-8 said:

https://www.soundtrack-board.de/topic/19219-sony-classical-john-williams-the-fabelmans/?do=findComment&comment=432180

 

Isn't that post just a rip-off of my post here?

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34870-the-fabelmans-milan-records-ost-album/&do=findComment&comment=1918532

[Bespin 8,480]

Haydn always was my favourite classical composer, with a name starting with H.

[Muad'Dib 1,802]

Short tracks, I dig it!

[Alex 2,835]

 

4 minutes ago, Bespin said:

Haydn always was my favourite classical composer, with a name starting with H.

 

Haydns gonna Hayd
 

[BB-8 3,473]

16 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Isn't that post just a rip-off of my post here?

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34870-the-fabelmans-milan-records-ost-album/&do=findComment&comment=1918532

Basically yes, but with some different versions.

 

Pretty playful pieces...

 

The Haydn connection:

"For his days in Vienna Williams also asked to visit the archive of the Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde, along with Anne-Sophie Mutter, in order to “pay his respects” to some special fellow composers. There, for much longer than planned, he pored over the scores of Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms and Mahler, conducting dialogues with them about corrections or details that stood out far more markedly in the manuscript than on the printed page. Speaking aloud and without restraint, he ruminated on sketches and sketchbooks and philosophized about the technique of committing a score to paper. For his next visit he asked to see Schumann, Bruckner and Richard Strauss."

 

Williams@Vienna_Digitalbooklet_th200429.indd (idagio.com)

[Marian Schedenig 8,192]

39 minutes ago, crumbs said:

The film ends with Haydn? 

 

When the film is over, Williams the film composer goes into Haydn.

[BB-8 3,473]

Where've you been Haydn?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

[Bespin 8,480]

[Jay 37,351]

Anyone motivated enough to go back in old threads and look up which sites it was that samples for Tintin, War Horse, Lincoln, and Book Thief first turned up on?

[Bespin 8,480]

I assume that if there is a FYC album, it will contain what, five tracks? 

 

Ok, there won't be a FYC, we all know that.

[Jay 37,351]

I'd guess it will be identical to tracks 1-2, 4-6, 8, 10-12 of the OST, but 12 won't have the Haydn in it.

[The Illustrious Jerry 3,356]

On 04/11/2022 at 9:55 AM, Disco Stu said:

My bet is that it starts with the Haydn piece and transitions to Williams and that the track will be majority Williams.

 

I could be misremembering but length-wise it looks like the film's short final cue plus the credits suite, in which case I think the Haydn is interpolated as part of the score rather than being particularly distinguishable from any Williams material. I honestly can't recall the melody of the last bit of music before the credits but tonally it was very different from the rest of the score and could definitely have been rooted in something classical, as a nice bookend for the mother. The Haydn piece is certainly enough of a lighthearted allegro to fit the bill, but I really can't say for sure. Whatever it was must have transitioned right into the credits suite, although I imagine they were recorded separately, so that might "solve" the FYC problem. Who knows! 

 

In any case, it looks like the opener must be an album arrangement. If so, curious to hear how it differs from any theme variations in Mitzi's Dance and The Journey Begins. I also listened to a recording of that Bach adagio and man, it serves such an effective dramatic function in the context of the film that my brain thought for sure it was Williams scoring that scene. Props to Spielberg for that choice!

 

Piecing the album together in my head only makes the combination of Williams' score and the classical selections more and more coherent. This is going to be a lovely listen.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Yes, for those of us who already enjoy classical music of this kind, it should be a very nice album

[Jay 37,351]

18 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said:

it looks like the opener must be an album arrangement

 

Or it's a combination of some cues that are already on the album elsewhere...

 

[filmmusic 1,826]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

 

Or it's a combination of some cues that are already on the album elsewhere...

 

With an album of such short duration I hope there aren't any exact repetitions.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Anyone motivated enough to go back in old threads and look up which sites it was that samples for Tintin, War Horse, Lincoln, and Book Thief first turned up on?

The Tintin sample site was really random.  Some random European CD website

[Jay 37,351]

Exactly my point!  What if that same site is the first to put up Fabelmans samples?

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Exactly my point!  What if that same site is the first to put up Fabelmans samples?

It could be good to search "the fabelmans" + "midnight call" (or any of the track titles) in Google and sort results by the past 24 hrs/week

[King Mark 3,631]

whoo, we get a full 17 minutes of JW music mixed with classical source music  for his final Spielberg OST . How exciting.

[Jay 37,351]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

We don't know how much of the 6:08 track 12 is Williams, and how much is Haydn, yet.

 

[filmmusic 1,826]

4 minutes ago, King Mark said:

whoo, we get a full 17 minutes of JW music mixed with source music  for his final Spielberg OST . How exciting.

Well, I could do without the source music, since I'm not a fan of the classical period of classical music too. I'm more of a romantic, post-romantic and impressionistic kind of guy.

[King Mark 3,631]

Just imagine when we realise there's an hour of unreleased music in the score

[Jay 37,351]

I did the work and found the initial sample discussion for his modern OSTs... it's fun to relive the excitement!

 

Tintin (1): https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/20712-first-tintin-samples-appear-on-german-film-music-site

Tintin (2): https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/20776-brand-new-tintin-samples-appear-on-cinezikorg

Tintin (3): https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/20777-jwfan-presents-exclusive-tintin-samples

War Horse: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/20822-cinema-musica-debuts-30-second-war-horse-samples-update-exclusive-samples

Lincoln: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/22276-jwfan-debuts-lincoln-original-soundtrack-samples

Book Thief: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/23443-the-book-thief-2013-new-williams-film-score/&do=findComment&comment=947725

BFG : https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26397-the-bfg-soundtrack-samples

The Post: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27462-the-post-score-thread/&do=findComment&comment=1434003

[King Mark 3,631]

Here's the possibilities:

 

1-The score will have the most unreleased JW music ever, making it the worst JW OST of all times

2-The score is relatively short but still missing  a lot  of the highlights on the OST

3-The score is short enough that they release the complete score on the FYC...in 128 kbps MP3

[Jay 37,351]

All three of your options are wrong

[King Mark 3,631]

He composed 17 minutes of music and it's all on the OST?

[Jay 37,351]

This is now the second time you've thrown out a 17 minute figure, ignoring the the fact that:

 

2 hours ago, Jay said:

We don't know how much of the 6:08 track 12 is Williams, and how much is Haydn, yet.

 

[Thor 7,495]

Historically, I've tended to enjoy these organic classical music/original music blends. George Fenton's THE MADNESS OF KING GEORGE and James Newton Howard's RESTORATION come to mind. Hopefully, this is within that territory even it it's not set to those times.

[Jay 37,351]

So here's the European retailers I found the Fabelmans OST CD on, maybe samples will show up on one of these randomly

 

https://www.cinezik.org/critiques/affcritique.php?titre=fabelmans2021121014

https://www.weltbild.at/artikel/musik/the-fabelmans-ost_39320131-1

https://www.swiatksiazki.pl/the-fabelmans-ost-6933892-muzyka.html

 

You never know if something will show up here too

 

https://www.thefabelmans.movie/

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

Also check TV Spots

[Disco Stu 15,495]

If Steven had bothered to ask me I'd have told him that the movie should end with the main character purchasing The Reivers soundtrack LP from a record store (the Spielberg origin that matters most) and then the end credits would start with an interpolation of that score!

[mrbellamy 6,278]

Steve's been ignoring my calls too. 

[Pawel P. 738]

I'm not gonna play any samples this time, read any opinions or impressions on the album, if they come up. Next Thursday, I'll wait until midnight, put my headphones on, and move to another world.

 

 

[Jay 37,351]

Smart man

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

3 minutes ago, Pawel P. said:

I'm not gonna play any samples this time, read any opinions or impressions on the album, if they come up. Next Thursday, I'll wait until midnight, put my headphones on, and move to another world.

 

 

Samples in general don't have much appeal to me anymore.  In the Tintin/Lincoln days when I was desperate for any new JW music sure, but it kind of devalues the track when I finally hear the whole thing 

[Jay 37,351]

You know what's funny?  Sites like iTunes / Apple Music provide 90 second samples of every track.  In this case, that'd mean 18:00 out of the 31:14 album, leaving only 13:14 unheard

[mrbellamy 6,278]

There are a handful of tracks over the years where I still remember the sample so well from listening to it over and over that it still sticks out to me whenever I listen even now. 

 

I've learned samples are better "sampled" and picking a couple to hear how a thing sounds, I find forgettable and harmless. Indulgent listening all week to the sampled album as a playlist, that'll stick lol. But I know the struggle. 

[TownerFan 4,983]

2 hours ago, King Mark said:

whoo, we get a full 17 minutes of JW music mixed with classical source music  for his final Spielberg OST . How exciting.

 

You have almost 50 years worth of fanfares, marches and brilliant overtures he wrote for the movies, including quite a few for Spielberg. In this case, it was not the right approach. It's a very personal and intimate project for the director, and Williams agreed that the film needed only a few cues and that the vernacular had to be restrained. He wanted to be respectful because the story is about Steven's family so I can imagine he didn't want to intrude too much.

[Jay 37,351]

You're attempting to instill logic and reason into a man who isn't interested in either right now  

[Thor 7,495]

I'm encountering the same thing on FSM. Some people base their evaluation on the quantity of music, and are also disappointed that it isn't in Williams' exuberant style. Regardless of its context.

[Jay 37,351]

I think it's great that we're getting a score like this AND a new Indiana Jones score within short order.

 

That's more exciting to me than two scores of similar styles!

[Sandor 797]

6 hours ago, Muad'Dib said:

Short tracks, I dig it!

 

The Prologue from Hook, County Galway 1892 from Far And Away, With Malice Towards None from Lincoln, Regaining A Son from Seven Years In Tibet....

 

The man can create true magic in tracks lastig barely two minutes.

 

Call me genuinely excited for this score. 

 

This is a preview by the way of an interview that will air November 6 on CBS. It could contain a clip or footage from the film or maybe just parts from the trailer. We'll see. 

 

 

[Bayesian 1,363]

9 hours ago, BB-8 said:

The Haydn connection:

"For his days in Vienna Williams also asked to visit the archive of the Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde, along with Anne-Sophie Mutter, in order to “pay his respects” to some special fellow composers. There, for much longer than planned, he pored over the scores of Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms and Mahler, conducting dialogues with them about corrections or details that stood out far more markedly in the manuscript than on the printed page. Speaking aloud and without restraint, he ruminated on sketches and sketchbooks and philosophized about the technique of committing a score to paper. For his next visit he asked to see Schumann, Bruckner and Richard Strauss."

 

Williams@Vienna_Digitalbooklet_th200429.indd (idagio.com)

I want to know which other film composers, if any, would go to these same lengths if given the same opportunity as JW. Maybe I’m wrong, but my belief is they do not exist. 
 

This is part of the reason I love JW. Not just as a creative human being who bridges two musical worlds, but as the idea of a creative human being who bridges two musical worlds. He’s the embodiment of the intellectual curiosity I would hope to see in the world’s greatest film scorer, if such a person did not already exist in JW.