Steve 590 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 The movies (not only the first two) are really close to the books. For example, closer than the Lord of the Rings films. Some characters are a bit different than in the books but that is ok. Yes, some films are too long, but so are some of the books from Part 4 onwards. Some parts had to be left off because it didn't fit into a 140min movie. Talking about the first two soundtracks, they are really complex scores, rich in thematic structure and do exactly what they are intended for: create a magical atmosphere. I would go as far and say that without the music the films wouldn't be so succesful. My only complaint is that Hedwigs theme is used a bit too much. Other than that it's hard to imagine more fitting scores for these movies. The 3rd score is also a masterwork and imo Williams best score since then. It's sad that he doesn't conduct pieces from that score in concert anymore. bollemanneke and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,344 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 3 hours ago, BB-8 said: You could become a movie director who simply insists on having music throughout. This would save the composer from sitting through the tedious spotting sessions. Yes, I would like to be a director for silent movies. So, no talk, no noise, no soundeffects, just music. bollemanneke and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,676 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 3 hours ago, GerateWohl said: So, you would be a good director. I wouldn't. I just love music. I love music too but it's almost a pet peeve of mine when a see a scene where the music is so far back or quiet that it just didn't need to be there. In a sense, I love a big, bold fanfare as much as anyone else, but when it comes to more emotional stuff, I'm definitely more of a fan of subtle scoring, i.e. some tender piano rather than loud, sad strings. You could see some (particularlty Williams) scores where the composition itself is beautiful and works great on his album, but when married to the visuals as part of the whole, feels a tad overwhelming. But hey, I'm a fan of textural, ambient, atonal (some of the time) music so I generally don't go for big orchestral statements as much as some here would. In fact, most 'happy' Christmas-style orchestral scores drive my nut - I need a bit of variation. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,344 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I love music too but it's almost a pet peeve of mine when a see a scene where the music is so far back or quiet that it just didn't need to be there. In a sense, I love a big, bold fanfare as much as anyone else, but when it comes to more emotional stuff, I'm definitely more of a fan of subtle scoring, i.e. some tender piano rather than loud, sad strings. You could see some (particularlty Williams) scores where the composition itself is beautiful and works great on his album, but when married to the visuals as part of the whole, feels a tad overwhelming. But hey, I'm a fan of textural, ambient, atonal (some of the time) music so I generally don't go for big orchestral statements as much as some here would. In fact, most 'happy' Christmas-style orchestral scores drive my nut - I need a bit of variation. That's good. Actually, I wouldn't like my movies either. I would just love listening to their score. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Andy 4,092 Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 @Holko is right. Subtractive spotting is the way to go. Then dial out what is not needed, and release that to the rabid fans. I think of so many scenes from Empire where the absence improves the feel of the storytelling... Han's Hoth search, the Mynock jump scare, the start of the Bespin Duel. All great music, but the film plays better as it is without. And then you have Raiders, which is masterfully spotted and lean. Can't think of much that was dialed out, just a few edits. About the only wall to wall spotting success for me is Temple of Doom. What could've been dialed out there? Trope, GerateWohl, Holko and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Andy said: @Holko is right. Subtractive spotting is the way to go. Then dial out what is not needed, and release that to the rabid fans. I think of so many scenes from Empire where the absence improves the feel of the storytelling... Han's Hoth search, the Mynock jump scare, the start of the Bespin Duel. All great music, but the film plays better as it is without. And then you have Raiders, which is masterfully spotted and lean. Can't think of much that was dialed out, just a few edits. About the only wall to wall spotting success for me is Temple of Doom. What could've been dialed out there? The approach you're talking about is certainly the one I enjoy the most as a consumer, but scoring sessions are expensive. I can fully appreciate the desire to only record stuff you're likely to actually use. Take the first T-Rex attack in Jurassic Park, a favorite example of mine. As a moviegoer, I'm really glad it plays without music. As a film score fan, I really wish Williams had scored the scene. As a cheapskate, I think it was a really wise choice not to. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 My biggest regret about the Jurassic Park score. Yes, the movie itself didn't need music there. But boy, I wish that narrative hole on album was filled with an amazing tense Williams composition Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,344 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Agreed. I also wished that for each of these movies there existed some kind of silent movie version, like the score only version of the last jedi, but with the music gaps filled. What a live to projection experience would that be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Steve said: The movies (not only the first two) are really close to the books. For example, closer than the Lord of the Rings films. Some characters are a bit different than in the books but that is ok. Yes, some films are too long, but so are some of the books from Part 4 onwards. Some parts had to be left off because it didn't fit into a 140min movie. Talking about the first two soundtracks, they are really complex scores, rich in thematic structure and do exactly what they are intended for: create a magical atmosphere. I would go as far and say that without the music the films wouldn't be so succesful. My only complaint is that Hedwigs theme is used a bit too much. Other than that it's hard to imagine more fitting scores for these movies. The 3rd score is also a masterwork and imo Williams best score since then. It's sad that he doesn't conduct pieces from that score in concert anymore. Which brings me back to the hypothesis that the only part of the whole Wizarding World franchise that will survive the post-Elizabethan era will be the music by John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,344 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, BB-8 said: Which brings me back to the hypothesis that the only part of the whole Wizarding World franchise that will survive the post-Elizabethan era will be the music by John Williams. And the books. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,510 Posted September 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2022 Alan Rickman must be a Brian Eno fan. Edmilson, Disco Stu and Joni Wiljami 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 Oh look another excerpt from Rickman's diary Quote 16 May 9:30pm Richard Strauss should be co-credited on every John Williams score TolkienSS and Nick1Ø66 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Is this for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Not as good as Coldplay Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Not as good as Coldplay I smirked at that entry too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 23 hours ago, Cameron007 said: Dude. Hey no worries. Those people I cant stand have ignored me, they can not see my posts. No harm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 23 hours ago, BB-8 said: I think it was Hitchcock who taught Williams that silence can be just as effective as music. Mr. Columbus, murder can be fun. Try it, some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Mr. Columbus, murder can be fun. Try it, some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 "SNAPE'S THEME" - performed by the Berlin Philharmonic Trope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,676 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 27/09/2022 at 2:34 PM, Datameister said: The approach you're talking about is certainly the one I enjoy the most as a consumer, but scoring sessions are expensive. I can fully appreciate the desire to only record stuff you're likely to actually use. I'm veering more towards this view - it's a nice idea to cover the film in music and remove cues where not needed, but logistically, recording and composer time is expensive and labour intensive. I'm not a fan of the idea of a composer writing all that music with the anticipation that you'll just remove lots of it and their work goes unheard. Plus on a more minor note, I don't like score albums containing an unused cue but missing some other major cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 2 hours ago, BB-8 said: "SNAPE'S THEME" - performed by the Berlin Philharmonic Only 3'42"? I want my money back. BB-8 and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post mahler3 478 Posted September 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2022 Ha! I’ve pre-ordered this book so I’ll try and skip this page. I was very fortunate to meet Alan Rickman thanks to my work with Patrick Doyle a few years ago. Well, nearly 10 now! They were both very close friends being part of the London theatrical scene in the 70s and 80s. Shameless (!) photo below. Martinland, crumbs, BB-8 and 9 others 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Damn Tim, you a sexy MF in that pic! Martinland and mahler3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Tom 4,640 Posted September 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2022 Hey John, Alan Rickman thinks your music is hideous. I know, but he's dead. bollemanneke, Andy and mahler3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 hour ago, mahler3 said: Shameless (!) photo below. For a sneaky shot of a celeb signing, that photo came out great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 4 hours ago, mahler3 said: Ha! I’ve pre-ordered this book so I’ll try and skip this page. I was very fortunate to meet Alan Rickman thanks to my work with Patrick Doyle a few years ago. Well, nearly 10 now! They were both very close friends being part of the London theatrical scene in the 70s and 80s. And via Emma Thompson, I imagine. I wonder what Rickman thought of Doyle's Potter score. 11 hours ago, BB-8 said: "SNAPE'S THEME" - performed by the Berlin Philharmonic "Is this a Dark Wizard, Walter?" - "No, Donny, this man is a nihilist, there's nothing to be afraid of." BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 On 29/09/2022 at 4:44 PM, Jay said: Damn Tim, you a sexy MF in that pic! You mean horny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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