mxsch 115 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Who have a final word for the final edit of music in the movies? Director, composer or editor? And why some movies have their scores butchered to death, replaced and e.t.c. For example, I can't understand why Kershner decided to omit some music in the Empire Strikes Back, maybe for suspense and stuff like that but c'mon Williams score is fucking perfect. I also want to salute Williams and every other composer who can write such music in those tight schedules, it is pretty much genius. Star Wars is definitely have no rivals in terms of thematic complexity, maybe LOTR and HTTYD, but they are still not on the same level, IMHO And it's sad that there are so little amount of movies released with their scores isolated on separate audio track, I wish there was more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 The director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxsch 115 Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, Jay said: The director. And if composer is absolutely against director's decision, it is still will be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Yeah, same as most parts of the filmmaking process. Just because someone contributes something amazing—a shot, a costume, a line, an effect, a whole scene, a musical cue, whatever—doesn't mean the director is obligated to keep it in if it doesn't support the film as a whole. oierem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,853 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 18 hours ago, mxsch said: And if composer is absolutely against director's decision, it is still will be done? The director is the be-all-end-all of the entire project. What they say goes, no matter what. They are 100% in control of the film. Think of them like a manager/CEO and the composers/actors/editors, etc. as employees. As for why some scores are butchered, well that just comes down to the director preferring the music to be edited in that way, as unfortunate as it might be for the composer and us. Some directors just clearly are not musicians. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,423 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: The composer director is the be-all-end-all of the entire project. What they say goes, no matter what. They are 100% in control of the film. Think of them like a manager/CEO and the composers/actors/editors, etc. as employees. I think you meant director, even though the producers are the ones who actually have the final word on the film Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,819 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: I think you meant director, even though the producers are the ones who actually have the final word on the film I read thru it too fast to catch a mistake and wasn’t sure why you corrected him Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounty95 548 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: The composer is the be-all-end-all of the entire project. What they say goes, no matter what. They are 100% in control of the film. Think of them like a manager/CEO I thought this was going to be a sarcastic or troll post Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 13 hours ago, Jay said: The director. POLTERGEIST. Ah...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,085 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 13 hours ago, mxsch said: And if composer is absolutely against director's decision, it is still will be done? Very probably, and the composer will probably have a hard time finding another job on a film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbeck 121 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 It's either the director or the producer, never the composer. Some Directors have "final cut" rights in their contracts, which allow them to have final saying on their movie. In other cases they only have the "first cut" and the producers decide on further tampering with the movie, manage the scoring process etc. Docteur Qui and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,853 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 hours ago, Bounty95 said: I thought this was going to be a sarcastic or troll post Nope, legit typo this time! 12 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: I think you meant director, even though the producers are the ones who actually have the final word on the film Yep, late night typo I wanted to kind of simplify it for him, but as for my analogy I'd probably adjust it to Producers/Studio heads = the CEO, Director is the manager, and the composer is like a (maybe high-ranking) employee. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bayesian 1,348 Posted November 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2022 22 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: The director is the be-all-end-all of the entire project. What they say goes, no matter what. They are 100% in control of the film. Think of them like a manager/CEO and the composers/actors/editors, etc. as employees. I was under the impression that directors often have final say over a film but that that privilege was given at the studio’s pleasure. I’m other words, a director could always be overruled by the exec producer or the film’s main producer. I suppose it’s fair to ask why director’s cuts of films are even a thing if the director always has final say. Docteur Qui, Manakin Skywalker and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,853 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bayesian said: I was under the impression that directors often have final say over a film but that that privilege was given at the studio’s pleasure. I’m other words, a director could always be overruled by the exec producer or the film’s main producer. I suppose it’s fair to ask why director’s cuts of films are even a thing if the director always has final say. Yep I made that correction in my previous post (or rather a clarification) Some directors have "final cut", whereas some do not and instead the studio does. Depends on the film/director/studio. Docteur Qui and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 313 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Bayesian said: I was under the impression that directors often have final say over a film but that that privilege was given at the studio’s pleasure. I’m other words, a director could always be overruled by the exec producer or the film’s main producer. The reason for that is because the studio/exec producer/film's main producer paid for the cost of the film's entire production budget, so that makes it their movie which includes the decision to remove a music score from their film if they don't like it. However if they feel that the director's artist ability can deliver a film that would make the money back--plus profit, then they will give that director the final cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 On 06/11/2022 at 3:31 AM, mxsch said: And if composer is absolutely against director's decision, it is still will be done? 19 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Very probably, and the composer will probably have a hard time finding another job on a film. TORN CURTAIN M'lud, the case for the prosecution rests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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