Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3353 Posted January 28 Popular Post Share Posted January 28 15 hours ago, Disco Stu said: It’s the backbone of the modern liberal worldview: absolutely nothing about you is more important than the color of your skin, and we must focus on each others’ to the point of mania Crazy how many people still think detached, performative Hollywood politics are a good litmus test for where modern liberalism is at. Not that detached, performative liberals aren't still a thing, or that Hollywood isn't at the same time capable of making an actual effort in the types of films and filmmakers they give exposure to, particularly those that have been all but non-existent historically. Point is, reactionaries thrive on taking whatever straw man they can find and running it into the ground so they can return to their comfortable seats. The Oscars tend to be a favourite because they're annual fodder and already pretty dumb to begin with. Lame as that may be, this thread also charts some insanely warped mental gymnastics, starting at "why does everyone make everything about race and gender, it shouldn't matter" before finally coming around to "my problem is actually just seeing other races and genders existing in media." Also pretty typical that we still managed to get in a few knocks at today's accepted terminology, with most of the ones brought up being all-too-classic bad faith examples from the right-wing wolf-crying handbook. It may interest you to know that in real life, people prefer to be acknowledged the way they do, for one, because it's a way of taking back the decades and decades where they were exclusively referred to by demeaning slurs. I would say that's an extremely reasonable and simple request in response to ages of systemic mistreatment (which I'm sure if you perused today's headlines, you'd find still very much exists on a tragic scale). Anyway, this is one of the basest back-and-forths in my time scrolling this forum, and in combination with some of the most dire, juvenile, bottom-of-the-barrel "differently abled" jokes I've encountered since maybe high school, it's doubly pathetic. Holko, Unlucky Bastard, Glóin the Dark and 4 others 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15468 Posted January 28 Popular Post Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: my problem is actually just seeing other races and genders existing in media." Speaking of straw men, I see you’re creating them with ease. The problem I see is multiple generations brought up on the mentality that victimhood, or at least perceived victimhood, is how to define moral worth. I see huge groups of people searching out whatever marginalized status they can lay claim to and feel that sweet sweet dopamine of moral superiority. And then keep chasing the high of rooting out wrongthink and bigotry, addicted to meting out justice and self-valorization, which of course requires constant maintenance of and renewal of their marginalized status. To be clear, this mindset is just as insidious on the right as it is on the left. It actively distracts from the truth and is based in hate and pride just as much as the bigotry they think they fight against. Anyway this whole thing on the thread goes back to the specific claims of the director of Till that are so transparently the claims of a sore loser trying to seek whatever leverage they think they have. And because the Academy is a modern liberal institution they have to pretend, or worse believe, that instead of being a sore loser, they are a noble victim of injustice. Tydirium, King Mark and Unlucky Bastard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3353 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 23 hours ago, Disco Stu said: The problem I see is multiple generations brought up on the mentality that victimhood, or at least perceived victimhood, is how to define moral worth. I see huge groups of people searching out whatever marginalized status they can lay claim to and feel that sweet sweet dopamine of moral superiority. And then keep chasing the high of rooting out wrongthink and bigotry, addicted to meting out justice and self-valorization. To be clear, this mindset is just as insidious on the right as it is on the left. It actively distracts from the truth and is based in hate and pride just as much as the bigotry they think they fight against. The assertion that people choose en masse to identify however they may because it's morally advantageous to them or because it fulfills some self-righteous image is frankly disgusting. That's a woefully armchair assessment disguised as a genuine attempt to get a finger on the pulse of the here and now. On an individual level, the identity age isn't some malicious smokescreen with an ulterior motive for a disproportionate or overcorrective response, however fragile your definition of that might be. Casting the persecution complex net over the reactions of marginalized communities and their allies to long and very real histories of victimhood is in itself a reinforcement of those injustices. I think you know better. HunterTech, Taikomochi and Unlucky Bastard 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 693 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Also, actual victims still exist. Like, I listed two recent scenarios in my last post that way too easily gave birth to some of them, and yet no acknowledgement because then that would be admitting this whole victimhood point doesn't fully have legs on account of how much the world beats down on some people. Some may see ill-founded resentment, but I see those too beaten down to ever fully trust anyone again. The confused emote I got on that then sure perplexes me, because if that person thinks I like making myself unnecessarily miserable in discussing these subjects, then is that supposed to imply that because misery is everywhere that I should thus put up with it? Real encouraging first step towards putting centuries of systemic abuse behind us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 309 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 20 hours ago, Disco Stu said: It’s the backbone of the modern liberal worldview: absolutely nothing about you is more important than the color of your skin, and we must focus on each others’ to the point of mania Nobody said this ever. Acknowledging race and gender as factors to success openly on the other hand, is long overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15468 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: The assertion that people choose en masse to identify however they may because it's morally advantageous to them or because it fulfills some self-righteous image is frankly disgusting. That's a woefully armchair assessment disguised as a genuine attempt to get a finger on the pulse of the here and now. On an individual level, the identity age isn't some malicious smokescreen with an ulterior motive for a disproportionate or overcorrective response, however fragile your definition of that might be. Casting the persecution complex net over the reactions of marginalized communities and their allies to long and very real histories of victimhood is in itself a reinforcement of those injustices. I think you know better. Your naive self-righteousness and moral smugness are all too common and indicative that this is unproductive. We are all of us fallen. Peace! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 5679 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Do you think Zack Snyder will win another Oscar for Justice League this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15468 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, mstrox said: Do you think Zack Snyder will win another Oscar for Justice League this year? Don't count Morbius out yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 3602 Posted January 28 Popular Post Share Posted January 28 enderdrag64, Brando and Disco Stu 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15468 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: bang bang jason's silver (ban)hammer came down on my head, bang bang jason's silver (ban)hammer made sure that i was dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 693 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Your naive self-righteousness and moral smugness are all too common and indicative that this is unproductive. We are all of us fallen. Peace! So you literally go for an ad hominem attack instead of actually addressing anything that he has said. The conversation is only unproductive because one party refuses to entertain anything the other says, and I don't think it's TIJ who's guilty of that. If you don't want these this discussions to keep being a thing, tell us why our concerns are unfounded, because these replies have become more and more substance-less by the post, and I will be on the absolute defense if anyone implies this was mine or my companion's doing. Why must you be so absolutely certain that the focus can only be on the self-righteousness in the these matters that affect much more people than we'll ever physically see in our lifetimes? I would argue it's far more liberal to be someone so stuck up that they insist anyone wanting to change the status quo is inherently a problem (a tactic your beloved wizard author seems to admire in her writing). Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3182 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 28/01/2023 at 11:57 AM, Disco Stu said: Speaking of straw men, I see you’re creating them with ease. The problem I see is multiple generations brought up on the mentality that victimhood, or at least perceived victimhood, is how to define moral worth. I see huge groups of people searching out whatever marginalized status they can lay claim to and feel that sweet sweet dopamine of moral superiority. And then keep chasing the high of rooting out wrongthink and bigotry, addicted to meting out justice and self-valorization, which of course requires constant maintenance of and renewal of their marginalized status. To be clear, this mindset is just as insidious on the right as it is on the left. It actively distracts from the truth and is based in hate and pride just as much as the bigotry they think they fight against. That's basically what I've been trying to say but I can't write posts as well as you do . 22 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Your naive self-righteousness and moral smugness are all too common and indicative that this is unproductive. We are all of us fallen. Peace! Nowadays it's "You either agree with me or your a insert word (ignorant, bigot, racist, -phobe ... )" On 27/01/2023 at 9:49 PM, HunterTech said: This will absolutely be what gets me warned, but I kind of don't care. I'm just as likely to leave as you are if I don't get banned, so make of that what you will. I appreciate that you actually take the time to read people's posts and try to understand what they mean even if you don't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 30984 Posted January 29 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 29 Guys, we're a film music forum where political postings are not allowed, for exactly the reasons this thread proves: It leads to arguments and users personally attacking each other. You can talk about the awards and the reasons why different people might be nominated or win, but expanding to a larger discussion of general politics is something you'll have to do in PMs or another place on the internet, not here. Thanks. A Farewell to Kings, Nick1Ø66, Brando and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 3412 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Brando and mrbellamy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15468 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 There's really not much to discuss after the initial reactions to the nominations and before it's closer to the ceremony. I get that they want to give voters a chance to see the nominated movies/performances they've missed, but nearly 7 weeks between noms and ceremony is a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 30984 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 Bruce Broughton on the Andrea Riseborough controversy https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/01/oscars-andrea-riseborough-controversy-bruce-broughton JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Disco Stu 15468 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I will say that some of the recent Best Picture winners did do pretty decent business internationally. Green Book made more than $300 million worldwide! Worldwide BO on the far right, American BO to the left of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4048 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 48 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: American BO They need to find a better abbreviation for that Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15468 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: They need to find a better abbreviation for that Jay and Not Mr. Big 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2387 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I don’t think JW is in this, but if someone can find him, then great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 4503 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 01/02/2023 at 5:43 PM, Nick1Ø66 said: I think that depends of what one calls a "box office hit". Is it a movie that grossed, say, over $400m worldwide, regardless of its budget? Or is it a movie that may not have grossed much in comparison with the big blockbusters, but it was quite profitable due to its small budget? For example, Green Book grossed $320m worldwide, which may be well below your average Marvel superhero extravaganza, but it was almost 14 times its production cost ($23m). On the other hand, Justice League grossed $656m worldwide and that was disaster because it was so expensive to produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 866 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 37 minutes ago, Alex said: I don’t think JW is in this, but if someone can find him, then great. I don't see him. Probably taken after he dipped out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 3412 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Edmilson said: I think that depends of what one calls a "box office hit". Is it a movie that grossed, say, over $400m worldwide, regardless of its budget? Or is it a movie that may not have grossed much in comparison with the big blockbusters, but it was quite profitable due to its small budget? For example, Green Book grossed $320m worldwide, which may be well below your average Marvel superhero extravaganza, but it was almost 14 times its production cost ($23m). On the other hand, Justice League grossed $656m worldwide and that was disaster because it was so expensive to produce. Well in this case I think the issue is popularity, and how dominant the film was in the cultural zeitgeist of the moment. A movie like Titanic is going to get people more excited for the Oscars, and cinema in general, as opposed to say Nomadland, no matter its relative profitability, which is something Hollywood, not audiences, care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 7517 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 02/02/2023 at 2:40 AM, Not Mr. Big said: They need to find a better abbreviation for that They tried, but they're all dead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 777 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 BAFTA Awards 2023 Best Adapted Screenplay - Edward Berger, Lesley Paterson and Ian Stokell - All Quiet On The Western Front Best Actress in a Supporting Role - Kerry Condon - The Banshees Of Inisherin Best Actor in a Supporting Role - Barry Keoghan - The Banshees Of Inisherin Best Cinematography - James Friend - All Quiet On The Western Front Outstanding Debut by a British Writer, Director or Producer - Charlotte Wells - Aftersun Best Animated Film - Pinocchio - Guillermo del Toro, Mark Gustafson, Gary Ungar and Alex Bulkley Best Original Screenplay - Martin McDonagh - The Banshees Of Inisherin Best Special Visual Effects - Richard Baneham, Daniel Barrett, Joe Letteri and Eric Saindon - Avatar: The Way Of Water Bafta Fellowship - Sandy Powell Outstanding British Film - The Banshees Of Inisherin - Martin McDonagh, Graham Broadbent and Pete Czernin Best Director - Edward Berger - All Quiet On The Western Front Best Documentary - Navalny – Daniel Roher, Diane Becker, Shane Boris, Melanie Miller and Odessa Rae Best Film Not In The English Language - All Quiet On The Western Front – Edward Berger and Malte Grunert Best Costume Design - Catherine Martin - Elvis Best Editing - Everything Everywhere All At Once – Paul Rogers Best Production Design - Florencia Martin and Anthony Carlino - Babylon Best Sound - All Quiet On The Western Front – Lars Ginzsel, Frank Kruse, Viktor Prášil and Markus Stemler Best Original Score - Volker Bertelmann - All Quiet On The Western Front Best Actor in a Leading Role - Austin Butler - Elvis Best Actress in a Leading Role - Cate Blanchett - Tár Best Film - All Quiet On The Western Front - Malte Grunert bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 1370 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Uugh. Trnsfrmr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 94 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 is it a good score? never listen to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaaaackified 60 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, badbu said: is it a good score? never listen to it not unacceptably bad, but also nowhere near "worthy of winning a major award" badbu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTWfan77 1310 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 So he won an award for playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 1370 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 What? He's the composer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 4503 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Over the last five years, the only year where the BAFTA winner and the Oscar winner weren't the same was in 2018, when A Star is Born won the BAFTA and Black Panther the Oscar. So I'd say AQotWF's chances increased substantially. I think it's the clear frontrunner, given that Babylon as a movie was so controversial and The Fabelmans... well, Oscar voters may think JW already have enough awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 5622 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 13/02/2023 at 7:29 PM, Alex said: I don’t think JW is in this, but if someone can find him, then great. I love checking out those "class photos" from the nominee luncheon every year and I have never seen him in one, so I don't think he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4048 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 19/02/2023 at 2:30 PM, JNHFan2000 said: Uugh. Better than Everything Everywhere at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 5622 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just wanna add that while I don't think Williams ever attends the official Oscar luncheon, he always shows up at the Society of Composers & Lyricists party for the music nominees. So he definitely plays favorites. I hope we're all aware of this evidence that John Williams has hung out with Three Six Mafia Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 2506 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 My bet: Williams won't win this year but will win next year with Indy 5. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 1370 Posted February 21 Popular Post Share Posted February 21 If that is the case, I would be very happy. It would be wonderful for him to win for an Indy film. He should've won for one of the first 3. And I do think Williams, when nominated, always attends the ceremony Brando, GerateWohl and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 7517 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: Pardon my ignorance, but... who are these people? Are they the other nominees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 5622 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Black fellas are the hip-hop group Three Six Mafia who won the Original Song Oscar that year for "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp" from Hustle & Flow The three ladies are BMI personnel Guy third from left is Gustavo Santaolalla who won the Original Score Oscar that year for Brokeback Mountain Far left is John Williams who was nominated for Munich and Memoirs of a Geisha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 2506 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Guy third from left is Gustavo Santaolalla who won the Original Score Oscar that year for Brokeback Mountain Having a second name consisting of the spanish word "santa" and the french expression "Oh là là!" is really cool. You must become famous with it. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3805 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 So All Quiet On The Western Front is the big winner at the BAFTA's? Still haven't seen it even though my son recommended it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1249 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 6 minutes ago, AC1 said: So All Quiet On The Western Front is the big winner at the BAFTA's? Still haven't seen it even though my son recommended it to me. You have a son who was old enough to be able to see this? Wow... I always think that most people in this forum are people like me, in their early forties without any kids... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3805 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, filmmusic said: I always think that most people in this forum are people like me, in their early forties without any kids... Well, yeah, I'm one of the oldest people here, but an internet test told me that, mentally, I'm still in my thirties, so in a way, it's you guys that are old! filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 3412 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 5 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Far left is John Williams who was nominated for Munich and Memoirs of a Geisha John Williams? Is he a passenger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 5622 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 13 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: If that is the case, I would be very happy. It would be wonderful for him to win for an Indy film. He should've won for one of the first 3. The only thing that gives me pause is that Williams is always a little more likely to get snubbed when it's a summer release (see: Crystal Skull and The BFG). So I think it'll have to be a particularly memorable movie and/or score, but "Helena's Theme" already is being promoted so much that it could feel like more of a given to nominate the score by next year. 13 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: And I do think Williams, when nominated, always attends the ceremony I've watched so many score winner clips on YouTube and I don't think I've ever seen him absent. They always show a picture for someone who isn't there, I wonder what they would use for him. I guess probably this But I'd hope for this Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 5622 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Jamie Lee Curtis and Michelle Yeoh won SAG. First Oscar race in ages that there hasn't been a sweep in any acting category. Even Ke Huy Quan lost BAFTA, though he still feels like a shoo-in. But Everything Everywhere All At Once winning PGA, DGA, and SAG Ensemble makes it a pretty undeniable Pic winner. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4048 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Jamie Lee Curtis and Michelle Yeoh won SAG. First Oscar race in ages that there hasn't been a sweep in any acting category. Even Ke Huy Quan lost BAFTA, though he still feels like a shoo-in. But Everything Everywhere All At Once winning PGA, DGA, and SAG Ensemble makes it a pretty undeniable Pic winner. UGGHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 5679 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 It was a good movie Big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4048 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 46 minutes ago, mstrox said: It was a good movie Big NO IT WASN'T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 5679 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I stand corrected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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