THE ACOLYTE - 2024 Star Wars TV

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@Jay I'm not a big fan of Yoda-The-Perfect-Jedi. He has blood on his four toes. Or three? Anyway, he's in plastic. My guess is that the Green Female Jedi Master with green contact lenses, Miss Green Kojak, will be totally transparent with him, and Yoda will agree to keep the truth under the rug. He's like that. After all, he's the biggest reason that caused the fall of the Jedi (a little thought here for Qui-Gon Jinn). Too much confidence, too much arrogance. Nothing new here. We already know why the Jedi were exterminated.

[Jay 44,382]

Yup, this show is really doubling down on the "the Jedi were bad, actually" that's been happening in Star Wars for a while now. I don't like it because it betrays everything Ben said about them in the original movie.

[Toillion 399]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

On to Skeleton Crew now?  Where's the trailer?

I’m kind of worried about the skeleton crew. I remember reading that it was completed before the acolyte and before the strikes. It was supposed to release December 2023 then was pushed back to Jan/spring. Then finally they pushed back even farther to sometime after this show. If it was completed then why push it back? 
My theory was that lucasfilm felt like they needed a big win after poor reception to Boba, Kenobi, Mando 3, and Ahsoka.  That maybe they thought the acolyte was the stronger of the two so it went first. Clearly this show is average at best so I hope my theory it wrong and that the skeleton crew is much better. 

[enderdrag64 1,655]

Finally got around to watching this, I thought it was excellent. Really doesn't deserve its negative reception at all.

 

The pacing wasn't horrific because I waited till the finale came out to binge it all at once, I think that's the trick with these D+ series. The only thing that stuck out to me was episode 3 seemed to come out of nowhere, I almost wonder if it should've been moved closer to episode 7; but then again you need some time to sit with what you're meant to believe before episode 7 reveals the truth, or else the twist doesn't work so well.

 

That said, the score was excellent, and I really enjoyed how it felt like Star Wars

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51 minutes ago, enderdrag64 said:

The only thing that stuck out to me was episode 3 seemed to come out of nowhere, I almost wonder if it should've been moved closer to episode 7; but then again you need some time to sit with what you're meant to believe before episode 7 reveals the truth, or else the twist doesn't work so well.

 

What twist are you referring to?

[Andy 6,596]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

  I didn't understand why his eyes were turning black while trying to take his helmet off Osha; Was she doing that to him?  Or was the hiding in the shadows guy? Or something else?  And how did he learn how to wipe minds?  And it is permanent? 

Ditto.  I mean, the Jedi Mind Trick I get, but the Superman II Jedi Mind Wipe?  Oof. 
 

I did not know who the bad guy in the shadows was. I guess it’s Plagueis though from the context? 
 

The black eyeball thing was really confusing. 
 

And why did Basil sabotage the pursuit?

 

2 hours ago, Bespin said:

@Jay I'm not a big fan of Yoda-The-Perfect-Jedi. He has blood on his four toes. Or three? 

Nah, don’t make Yoda super flawed.  Can we have at least ONE Jedi who isn’t an ethical trainwreck?  Yoda is sacred. 

 

2 hours ago, Jay said:

Yup, this show is really doubling down on the "the Jedi were bad, actually" that's been happening in Star Wars for a while now. I don't like it because it betrays everything Ben said about them in the original movie.

I don’t care for the shades of grey applied to the Jedi either.   Or if they’re going to have some internal division, at least make it fun and entertaining.   I’d rather have a Jedi who makes rogue choices because they are a drinking, carousing, whoremongering pleasure-seeker with a sense of humor. 
 

This was humorless, just like every single Disney SW show going back to Obi-Wan and including Andor.  The self-seriousness is getting to be unintentionally funny.   There was once a time when Star Wars movies were rip roaring fun that made audiences cheer. 

 

I did not need this show to watch lightsaber porn. Plenty of that on YouTube. 
 

I did not need this show, period. 
 

Q’Mir, I’ll take one Jedi Mind Wipe to go, please and thank you. 

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2 hours ago, Jay said:

Yup, this show is really doubling down on the "the Jedi were bad, actually" that's been happening in Star Wars for a while now. I don't like it because it betrays everything Ben said about them in the original movie.

Yeah, so, who are we supposed to root for in all this?

 

'Star Wars' was embraced for its optimism during the pessimistic 1970s, with its morally simple story of good triumphing over evil.

 

Sure, throw in a fall from grace and a redemption arc, and yeah, I can accept a little complacency from the Jedi, but this whole shift to moral greyness and ambiguity is really off-putting and isn't the Star Wars I grew up loving.

 

I mean, the poor, confused kids today playing with 'The Acolyte' action figures won't know who the hell is good or bad! 
 

(I'm joking of course. There are no kids playing with 'The Acolyte' figures. They're still playing with Luke and Vader.)

[enderdrag64 1,655]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

What twist are you referring to?

That Sol killed the mother and not Mae's fire

[Andy 6,596]

Sol’s killing of the mother was so awkwardly done.  Why did she turn to a mist? And if so, how could he still kill her with a lightsaber, which according to Obi-Wan and Ashoka, isn’t really a bad wound if it goes through you.   
 

But really, what did she hope to achieve  when she went vapor like that?  Why not warn Sol, so he didn’t freak out and impale her?  And why did he freak out and impale her?  That’s not the Jedi way. 

[enderdrag64 1,655]

5 minutes ago, Andy said:

And why did he freak out and impale her?  That’s not the Jedi way. 

I believe the idea was that he believed she was going to sacrifice Mae, something Mae's words earlier led mistakenly him to believe. As for what she was actually doing by disappearing, I'm not entirely sure

[Andy 6,596]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said:

(I'm joking of course. There are no kids playing with 'The Acolyte' figures. They're still playing with Luke and Vader.)

 

I’d buy it if they included Torbin with poison drinking action.  

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[Mr. Hooper 7,346]

7 minutes ago, Andy said:

I’d buy it if they included Torbin with poison drinking action.

 

Yeah, I wonder how many kids are going to dress up as Jedi Master Torbin for Halloween.

 

#WhereHaveAllTheHeroesGone

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2 hours ago, Toillion said:

I’m kind of worried about the skeleton crew. I remember reading that it was completed before the acolyte and before the strikes. It was supposed to release December 2023 then was pushed back to Jan/spring. Then finally they pushed back even farther to sometime after this show. If it was completed then why push it back? 
My theory was that lucasfilm felt like they needed a big win after poor reception to Boba, Kenobi, Mando 3, and Ahsoka.  That maybe they thought the acolyte was the stronger of the two so it went first. Clearly this show is average at best so I hope my theory it wrong and that the skeleton crew is much better. 

 

Not sure if this is true, but I had heard a while back that Skeleton Crew is supposed to be Christmas-adjacent (Life Day themed?) and when it was delayed to February they just decided to wait another year to release it at the right time. Jon Favreau did say a couple years prior that he wanted to do his own Holiday Special.

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4 hours ago, Jay said:

 

 

'After The Acolyte' lol the travesties of the Old Republic Jedi alone could fill double that space

 

As for why Mae stayed behind and Osha cut a deal with Q'Mir, I thought it was pretty clear why that happened. Q'Mir's default is to kill anyone who knows his identity that isn't useful to him, Mae no longer wants to be his Acolyte so he is on his way to kill her. Osha obviously doesn't want this and since she knows Q'Mir's identity she's also on the kill list. Furthermore she knows the Jedi will continue hunting all of them down. So the logical thing to do is make a deal where Q'Mir gets what he wants, an Acolyte, and also not have Mae know his identity or hers so the Jedi will leave her alone. That way both of them live and have an out from the Jedi

 

In regards to Q'Mir having the ability to wipe minds, he's clearly not an expert at it, and it's part of the bare minimum to survive as a Sith right now - erase minds and hide your presence in the Force. These were almost certainly passed on from his master, one of the Banite Sith and almost certainly Plagueis. At this point the Sith are masters of espionage

 

Yes bleeding the crystal is from the new canon and this is the first time we've seen it in live action. The thematic idea is that the dark side is a corruption so it takes these natural Kyber crystals and bleeds it in a manner akin to how a dark sider twists the Force against its natural order

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4 hours ago, Jay said:

 

These were exactly my thought while watching the show.

In the end Vernestra did exactly the same as the four Jedi before: Push the guilt to someone who died during the events to cover up their arbitrariness.

It is all shown as some bloody corrupted mess. Terrible.

 

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5 hours ago, Andy said:

 

I’d buy it if they included Torbin with poison drinking action.  

 

I would love a Qimir action figure with removable clothes.

 

32 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

These were exactly my thought while watching the show.

In the end Vernestra did exactly the same as the four Jedi before: Push the guilt to someone who died during the events to cover up their arbitrariness.

It is all shown as some bloody corrupted mess. Terrible.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Bespin said:

I would love a Qimir action figure with removable clothes.

 

That's the only way you're gonna get some action. 

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57 minutes ago, Bespin said:

 

Yes, that was supposed to be a recent development during attack of the clones. If you put that on top to the image of jedi in The Acolyte, then good night. 

Or... Bad knight.

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2 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

Yes, that was supposed to be a recent development during attack of the clones. If you put that on top to the image of jedi in The Acolyte, then good night. 

Or... Bad knight.

 

What is 'recent' when you have 874 years old? 

 

Some of you seem to complain that, again and again, this timeline doesn't depict the Jedi in their golden years. Of course, it doesn't. This is the beginning of their fall. They are already starting to lose control over the dark side, and they no longer have a consensus in the Senate because their functioning is opaque to the Republic.

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8 hours ago, Andy said:

Remember when Star Wars was the good version of a trashy B movie? I miss that.

Fixed?

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2 hours ago, DarthDementous said:

In regards to Q'Mir having the ability to wipe minds, he's clearly not an expert at it, and it's part of the bare minimum to survive as a Sith right now - erase minds and hide your presence in the Force. These were almost certainly passed on from his master, one of the Banite Sith and almost certainly Plagueis. At this point the Sith are masters of espionage

An EU parallel would be Kyp Durron wiping Qwi Xux's mind, the result being imperfect and causing her mental problems. I would expect any further appearances of Mae to similarly show the negative impact of the process.

[Chen G. 5,596]

11 hours ago, Bespin said:

After all, he's the biggest reason that caused the fall of the Jedi (a little thought here for Qui-Gon Jinn). Too much confidence, too much arrogance. Nothing new here.

 

I think that's a wrong way to read the prequel trilogy: its totally not what George Lucas was going for there.

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1 hour ago, Chen G. said:

 

I think that's a wrong way to read the prequel trilogy: its totally not what George Lucas was going for there.

 

His last error was thinking he could defeat Palpatine alone; he failed lamentably.

 

The downfall of the Jedi was obviously a team effort, but led by a group of individuals even more arrogant than their disciples.

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2 minutes ago, Schilkeman said:

What was his first?

 

 

His first error? Fuck with Yaddle.

[Jay 44,382]

On 07/11/2022 at 6:30 PM, DarthDementous said:

Leslye is a big EU fan, so I hope she’s able to channel a lot of the pre-Prequel novels like the Bane Trilogy and Plagueis

 

Nailed it

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4 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Nailed it

Eh, somewhat

I was more looking from something that was primarily from the perspective of the Sith that showed what the Jedi looked like through that lens and an ideology that was more fleshed out and coherent than 'blehhh I'm evil'. Which, to be fair, Qimir is certainly one of the more interesting and nuanced Sith but it still doesn't hold a candle to Plagueis or Bane
 

1 hour ago, Chen G. said:

 

I think that's a wrong way to read the prequel trilogy: its totally not what George Lucas was going for there.

Yes, but death of the author especially when looking at a work not even by Lucas

[Andy 6,596]

53 minutes ago, Bespin said:

 

His first error? Fuck with Yaddle.

Yaddle is the love child of Yoda and Vernestra. 

[Bespin Copilot 10,209]

2 minutes ago, Andy said:

Yaddle is the love child of Yoda and Vernestra. 

 

 

[Edmilson 11,209]

So when Anakin said: "from my point of view, the Jedi are evil!", he wasn't completely lying?

[GerateWohl 6,265]

15 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

So when Anakin said: "from my point of view, the Jedi are evil!", he wasn't completely lying?

Now we know, he had watched The Acolyte.

[Edmilson 11,209]

Just now, GerateWohl said:

Now we know, he had watched The Acolyte.

So that's why he was so angry 

[Bespin Copilot 10,209]

The Jedi are not evil; they just became a bit... incompetent.

 

This series should end well before Palpatine enters the scene and even before Sifo Dyas orders the clone army; we are still 100 years before the events of 'The Phantom Menace'... Nevertheless, they are setting the stage for a future series that, in my opinion, will have even more material.

 

Plagueis's moment of glory has not yet arrived...

[Andy 6,596]

Why can’t Star Wars leave mysterious ideas alone?  I didn’t need to see young Boba Fett.  It demystified him. 
 

I didn’t need to ever see Mando’s face. 
 

I honestly didn’t need the PT, though they were entertaining and some good ideas came from them. 
 

And I don’t need to see Plagueis.  His glory moment is Palpatine’s story, which is better than anything that can be put on film. 
 

I don’t need prequel stories to usurp my imagination. 

[The Score Cleaner 8,909]

Seeing Mando's face was part of his arc.

 

Ultimate argument: no prequel films, no prequel scores.

[Luke Skywalker 2,274]

22 hours ago, The Great Gonzales said:

I think Corran's second crystal in I, Jedi was synthetic too?

I read yesterday that most of the new jedi order crystals were synth because the empire  exhausted all the traditional crystal caves.

10 hours ago, Hego-Damask-II said:

An EU parallel would be Kyp Durron wiping Qwi Xux's mind, the result being imperfect and causing her mental problems. I would expect any further appearances of Mae to similarly show the negative impact of the process.

In kotor they wiped the mind of Revan too.

 

and Jacen Solo used it also with Ben Skywalker and others i think

[Chen G. 5,596]

18 hours ago, DarthDementous said:

Yes, but death of the author especially when looking at a work not even by Lucas

 

For the record, I'm not talking about how George Lucas talks about the Jedi, I'm talking about how its clear George Lucas feels about the Jedi from what he put on film.

 

And its clear to me that George Lucas - the George Lucas that's actually there behind the camera - does not think that the Jedi are flawed, hubristic, or wrong in their general view of the world. He thinks they are right: they forbid attachment, and its precisely attachment that leads to Anakin's downfall. They forbid possessiveness (nevermind how twisted it is that to seek to stop the person you love from dying is at all possessive) and its Anakin's "possessiveness" that leads to his downfall.

 

I feel like Luke finding success in going against the wishes of Obi Wan in Return of the Jedi, or even Qui-Gon defying the council in Episode I hardly diminish this. This has almost entirely to do with Episodes II-III and for that purpose they should be seen in isolation.

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6 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

Now we know, he had watched The Acolyte.

 

 

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Is Mae a 20-something adult with the mind of a 8 year old girl now?

 

Guess she's not that old to enter the Jedi Order

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On 18/07/2024 at 2:05 AM, Jay said:

Yup, this show is really doubling down on the "the Jedi were bad, actually" that's been happening in Star Wars for a while now. I don't like it because it betrays everything Ben said about them in the original movie.

 

Well, Ben already lied in the old movies, so nothing new there. 

[Chen G. 5,596]

10 minutes ago, Schilkeman said:

Wanting to avoid death is one thing. Wanting to stop Padme from dying because "I can't live without her," is another. People like to hold up the Yoda/Anakin scene as an example of Jedi callousness

 

Its definitely not meant as an example of Jedi callousness, but it sure doesn't help gratiate Yoda to an audience one bit.

 

I like Revenge of the Sith. But during that scene I want to reach into the screen and throttle the little green gremlin. This abnegatory "philosophy" (if one gives it the unearned flattery of calling it that) is downright deplorable and repugnant.

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[Chen G. 5,596]

I think most people here will find the sentiment - I'm paraphrasing from Yoda's speech - deplorable: "Rejoice for your wife when she dies untimey. Mourn her do not, miss her do not."

[GerateWohl 6,265]

Where does Yoda ever say anything in direction of "rejoice"?

And that paraphrasing makes no sense here.

 

The Jedi are no caring husbands (except for Ki-Adi-Mundi). They dedicated their life to a life-long mission. Of course it is a challenge to avaid bonds and dependencies. That's the thing with codexes. They are challenging and demanding. If it is easy, then there is no need for a codex.

[The Score Cleaner 8,909]

6 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

Where does Yoda ever say anything in direction of "rejoice"?

And that paraphrasing makes no sense here.

 

 

"Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not." ~ Yoda, Revenge of the Sith.

[Chen G. 5,596]

"Those around you" being in this case, "your wife" (Yoda doesn't know this, of course, but it doesn't matter). I just wanted to bring it home to people. This ideology seems to me cold, uncaring and alltogether odious.

 

Not to mention, "rejoice for those around you who transform into the force. Mourn them do not"... well:

 

 

Don't see a lot of rejoicing going on here. Clearly, this is not a philosophy Lucas' film espouses: its just his idea of "cool, pseudo-Buddhist Yoda-talk."