THE ACOLYTE - 2024 Star Wars TV

[Bellosh 3,941]

My favorite Disney SW thing is the casting for the DT.

 

Incredible tbh

 

But how all the movies still come out shitty goes to show how important a good story and ideas are 

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Luckily SW hasn't had either in decades! 

[John Dutton 7,503]

Bored now

[Schilkeman 1,331]

9 hours ago, Tallguy said:

Hey, what if the Jedi were the REAL villains" or "Hey, Darth Sidious was right about a lot of stuff" then you lose me.

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, this. There is a whole cottage industry, fed by YouTube and content mill websites that flourish on this kind of “actually” point-making. That people confuse genuine textual analysis for what is basically improv essay writing is an indictment of something; I don’t know what. This isn’t actually Star Wars, and it must be bent so far out of shape to be made so that it is unrecognizable as itself.

[Nick1Ø66 6,064]

57 minutes ago, Brock Lovett said:

Bored now

Run out of Diet Coke?

[Tallguy 4,569]

1 hour ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

Run out of Diet Coke?

Clearly it's an evil Brock from an alternate dimension.

[Schilkeman 1,331]

George and I give Diet Coke a 2. Our highest rating!

 

[DarthDementous 1,250]

8 hours ago, Brock Lovett said:

How long before Disney just adapts Fallen Order as a movie or show. It's the only thing they've done with SW I liked.

 

Considering the success of that series it's really surprising to me they haven't gone for the slam dunk that would be featuring Cal Kestis in live action

17 hours ago, Mr. Hooper said:

In attempting to apply the "Rashomon effect", Headland apparently forgot to show contrasting differences in the multiple viewpoints, and it just became a way to pad out the runtime, with no other function.

 

I guess it revealed her hand, though. She's obviously not a fan of the Jedi. And that's why I relegate the show to the bin of "fan fiction".

 

I have not seen Rashomon but as I understand it the point of the conflicting perspectives was to show how it was impossible to piece together the objective truth from people, so when Acolyte and things like The Last Jedi go 'actually this is what *really*' happened it is thoroughly missing the point

 

I don't think you have to be a fan of the Jedi to write good Star Wars, just have a good understanding of them. Funnily enough, you reminded me that Leslye isn't the first expanded universe writer that disliked the Jedi. There was this author called Karen Traviss who was vocally outspoken against them, and now I'm curious to actually read her work to see if I can notice any similarities between her and Headland's writing

 

Although, I think it's a bit of a different headspace when writing Jedi with awareness of the wider expanded universe because there's a lot more examples of them doing heinous things than what we see depicted on-screen. However, those stories usually state or otherwise imply that not all Jedi are like that but that this is the logical conclusion when taken to their extremes

[Chen G. 4,719]

27 minutes ago, DarthDementous said:

so when Acolyte and things like The Last Jedi go 'actually this is what *really*' happened it is thoroughly missing the point

 

Absolutely.

 

Plus, look at the three repeats of the the flashback in The Last Jedi: Kylo's version of the events is so cartoony-looking that it's made clear its false:

 

[Mr. Hooper 3,550]

6 hours ago, DarthDementous said:

Although, I think it's a bit of a different headspace when writing Jedi with awareness of the wider expanded universe because there's a lot more examples of them doing heinous things than what we see depicted on-screen.

For me, that's what the EU is for. It allows authors some creative freedom, and to "safely" explore the boundaries and "What if?" scenarios, because the stories aren't canon.

 

But in canon, and on-screen, I think they should tread more lightly and put a cap on the author's creative freedom...

 

No one should be given carte blanche—unless your name happens to be George Lucas.

 

10 hours ago, Schilkeman said:

Love this picture. He's just chilling with his Diet Coke, spaghetti and meat sauce (?), and newspaper...

 

[Tallguy 4,569]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said:

No one should be given carte blanche—unless your name happens to be George Lucas.

 

Nope. Not even him.

[Nick1Ø66 6,064]

 

26 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said:

No one should be given carte blanche—unless your name happens to be George Lucas

 

4 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

 

Nope. Not even him.

 

Thank the Maker. Lucas can do as he pleases. 

 

Well, that is before he sold his child to white slavers. 

 

[John Dutton 7,503]

George Lucas in a food court

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6 hours ago, Chen G. said:

Kylo's version of the events is so cartoony-looking that it's made clear its false:

 

I have no idea what you're talking about... 

 

 

[Nick1Ø66 6,064]

The real nightmare would be waking up and looking at Mark Hammill's Twitter feed.

[Mr. Hooper 3,550]

27 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

 

Nope. Not even him.

Oh, not saying he can't make a misstep, just that it's his creation to ruin.
 

Or was, as Nick reminds us.

 

9 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

The real nightmare would be waking up and looking at Mark Hammill's Twitter feed.

 

I can separate the man and his Twitter feed, but I do wish that celebrities would remain apolitical.

[Tallguy 4,569]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said:

Oh, not saying he can't make a misstep, just that it's his creation to ruin.

 

Mission accomplished.

 

47 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said:

I can separate the man and his Twitter feed, but I do wish that celebrities would remain apolitical.

 

That's only because he's not going to lose any work over it.

[Edmilson 9,135]

Careful guys... I can't feel a ban brewing in the horizon...

 

[Gabriel Bezerra 423]

Something that was already discussed here but with every new show release I'm reminded that for those who will watch everything for the first time (there are a bunch of people with so much time), Star Wars will be The Acolyte, it will be Andor, it already is The Clone Wars for example. The thing they fell in love will encompass everything.

[Doo_liss 6,640]

Just a dumb drummer joke:

 

[Edmilson 9,135]

Kids... You better leave the room. Things are going to get ugly. You've been warned.

 

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/amandla-stenberg-reacts-acolyte-canceled-bigotry-star-wars-fans-1236122028/

 

Mods, feel free to delete this post if you think it's the better approach.

[GerateWohl 5,160]

There is one half interesting sentence in that article: "Though “The Acolyte” generally drew praise from critics..."

 

I was not aware of such failure.

[Tallguy 4,569]

24 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

There is one half interesting sentence in that article: "Though “The Acolyte” generally drew praise from critics..."

 

I was not aware of such failure.

 

78% on RT.

[Holko 10,401]

4 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

 

78% on RT.

Which still means fucking nothing. One more click and the actual rating is 6.9 out of 10. 6.4 if you select "Top Critics" only.

[Tallguy 4,569]

2 minutes ago, Holko said:

Which still means fucking nothing. One more click and the actual rating is 6.9 out of 10. 6.4 if you select "Top Critics" only.

 

OK. Still "generally" favorable. Like the article apparently says. As opposed to ratings so dismal that the show got canceled in fairly short order.

[Nick1Ø66 6,064]

It goes without saying (or it should) that any form of bigotry directed at creatives in any show, is morally wrong and has zero place in fandom. The type of online, anonymous coward who would do this to someone is beneath contempt. Amanda Stenberg is rightfully angry, and hurt, about any such abuse she received. She's an actress doing her job, and doesn't deserve that. The same goes for Kelly Marie Tran and any other victim of these basement dwellers who engage in bigoted personal attacks. It's reprehensible. 

 

That said, I don't buy that online bigots are why The Acolyte was cancelled. Disney doesn't care what those trolls say, and in fact actively welcomes their hatred, and arguably even courts it. The Acolyte was cancelled because it had the highest budget of any Star Wars show and was among the lowest rated, period. The few viewers the show had, and the evolving economics of streaming platforms, didn't justify the outrageous price tag.  

 

Moreover, I don't buy, for a moment, that the majority of the criticism of the show came from these trollish bigots. Certainly, and sadly, there's plenty of that out there. But most of the complaints I've read about the show cite terrible writing, a nonsensical plot, "grey" morality, portrayal of the Jedi as the villains, and playing fast and loose with canon. People are free to disagree with all that, of course. But that doesn't mean the criticism is based in bigotry. 

 

Finally, as far as the review-bombing and The Acolytes 18% audience score goes, I guess the bigots didn't get the memo that they're supposed to review bomb House of the Dragon, a show with two female leads, one of whom is non-binary, and probably the most diverse cast in the history of mainstream fantasy TV. I mean, where were the trolls then?

 

 

[Doo_liss 6,640]

2 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

 two female leads, one of whom is non-binary,

I am not sure that's how it works

[Nick1Ø66 6,064]

Ha, ha, well spotted. 

 

But I believe you can be female and yet still nonbinary. Nonbinary, as far as I know, has to do with gender identity, not sex.

[Edmilson 9,135]

The power of one season...

Audience score of two...

The cancellation of manyyyyyyyyyy! 

 

6 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

That said, I don't buy that online bigots are why The Acolyte was cancelled. Disney doesn't care what those trolls say, and in fact actively welcomes their hatred, and arguably even courts it. The Acolyte was cancelled because it had the highest budget of any Star Wars show and was among the lowest rated, period. The few viewers the show had, and the evolving economics of streaming platforms, didn't justify the outrageous price tag.  So, with all due respect, Stenberg's suggestion that the show was cancelled because of bigots doesn't hold a lot of water. 

 

Exactly.

 

Hollywood people should learn that not all criticism is bigotry or anything. Some people just didn't think it was good and its contributions to the lore were detrimental to the franchise.

 

This article should be emailed for people involved with Star Wars urgently:

 

https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/star-wars/acolyte/the-acolyte-review-bombing---a-counter-argument-from-a-traditionalist-a211505#gs.eciimg

[Nick1Ø66 6,064]

1 hour ago, Holko said:

Which still means fucking nothing. One more click and the actual rating is 6.9 out of 10. 6.4 if you select "Top Critics" only.

 

Coincidentally, Erik Klain has an interesting write-up in Forbes about how RT's determines it TV scores (specifically regarding ROP's weirdly high RT score).

[Gabriel Bezerra 423]

6 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

Finally, as far as the review-bombing and The Acolytes 18% audience score goes, I guess the bigots didn't get the memo that they're supposed to review bomb House of the Dragon, a show with two female leads, one of whom is non-binary, and probably the most diverse cast in the history of mainstream fantasy TV. I mean, where were the trolls then?

I think that supposes those people care about Game of Thrones. For a fact, they were review bombing before the show came out, I remember it was a week or so before any showings and the premiere, no good faith criticism possible, and it reached 6%? I don't recall the percentages.

 

6 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

That said, I don't buy that online bigots are why The Acolyte was cancelled. Disney doesn't care what those trolls say, and in fact actively welcomes their hatred, and arguably even courts it. The Acolyte was cancelled because it had the highest budget of any Star Wars show and was among the lowest rated, period. The few viewers the show had, and the evolving economics of streaming platforms, didn't justify the outrageous price tag.  

They are doing nothing to shield the hate Amandla is recieving, like they did for a bit to shield Moses Ingram (and even that, I think, was only because Ewan took the matter into his own hands first). They definitively do not care about that.

 

I think that online criticism has the upside and downside of context. It's not about what is being said, but who's saying it, and everyone has a look at who that person is and their associations. There's also who manages to ride the system and show up more, usually by hating things, and hate attracts other kinds of hatred.

[DarthDementous 1,250]

1 hour ago, Gabriel Bezerra said:

I think that supposes those people care about Game of Thrones. For a fact, they were review bombing before the show came out, I remember it was a week or so before any showings and the premiere, no good faith criticism possible, and it reached 6%? I don't recall the percentages.

You are right. I've never seen such a huge wave of backlash before a show even came out. Whether it was sincere or grifting bigotry I don't think matters, it was immensely stupid and annoying, and Amandla is right to call it out. Disney Lucasfilm has also shown itself to be an incredibly reactionary company so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the online backlash influenced the decision to cancel it and potentially even remove it from their platform which is unheard of for Star Wars

Also yes, House of the Dragon is not Star Wars Acolyte, for one it's an adaptation of an existing novel that has a sizeable existing fanbase, and for two it isn't under nearly the amount of scrutiny and eyes that modern Star Wars projects receive. Game of Thrones back in its day was popular but it still pales in comparison to the legacy left by the original Star Wars saga and how fervently protective people get of it in the face of new media interacting with it. Also, somehow, the culture war hasn't gotten its nasty tendrils in as far to the Game of Thrones franchise as it has Star Wars

[HunterTech 1,290]

Might as well post this somewhere where it won't get buried: