[Betting Poll] Will The Fabelmans be nominated for a Best Original Score Oscar?

[Sandor 797]

https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/oscars-2023-original-score-shortlist-john-williams-1235190500/

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

6 hours ago, filmmusic said:

To think that The Fabelmans could be nominated when Hook wasn't....

Hook didn't deserve a nomination 

[Madmartigan JC 85]

Leaving this here, in case there are any members of the The American Cinematheque around.


 

THU JAN 12, 2023
6:00 PM
SPIELBERG/WILLIAMS — 50 YEARS OF MUSIC AND MOVIES
$25.00 (members-only)

Writers Guild Theater | A Conversation with Steven Spielberg and John Williams. Moderated by Jon Burlingame.

Priority ticketing access currently available only for Patron, Silver Screen, Marquee, and Movie Palace-Level Members before they go on sale to all American Cinematheque Members in early 2023.

 

https://www.americancinematheque.com/now-showing/spielberg-williams-50-years-of-music-and-movies-1-12-23/

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433]

1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said:

Hook didn't deserve a nomination 

True it deserve all nominations

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

2 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said:

True it deserve all nominations

No!! 

[King Mark 3,631]

That's the first time I'm going to say a JW score doesn't deserve a nomination, but it will be anyways but won't win unless it's old guy sympathy vote year again

[Edmilson 7,433]

13 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said:

Hook didn't deserve a nomination 

Indeed, 1991 had so many great scores for the Academy to choose their 5 nominees (even though I think Horner's The Rocketeer could've been among them).

[Sandor 797]

In 1992, JFK was nominated for Best Original Score and When You’re Alone from Hook for Best Original Song.

 

I don’t think Williams got overlooked that year, despite Hook being perhaps the best score of 1991. 

[filmmusic 1,826]

10 hours ago, King Mark said:

That's the first time I'm going to say a JW score doesn't deserve a nomination,

While the others do?

[Marian Schedenig 8,191]

On 22/12/2022 at 4:32 PM, Not Mr. Big said:

Hook didn't deserve a nomination 

 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Just FYI for everybody: the Oscar nominations are not being announced until Jan. 24th.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

32 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Hook is the Thomas Kinkade of John Williams scores!

[Tom 4,651]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

Just FYI for everybody: the Oscar nominations are not being announced until Jan. 24th.

But yet they have already determined the winner.  

[Sandor 797]

'One other competition I’m following closely is the battle for the Best Original Score Oscar. Currently, consensus has formed around Justin Hurwitz’s bombastic composition for Babylon, but with Universal playing up John Williams’ last collaboration with Steven Spielberg in The Fabelmans, might he just sweep through the season? I’m not ready to go there yet (it’s a very sparse score, and one that’s far less distinctive than Babylon‘s – or even Women Talking‘s and Pinocchio‘s for that matter), but watch this space.'

 

https://weliveentertainment.com/weliveawards/zoe-2023-academy-awards-predictions-december-23/

 

Despite what your personal opinion of the score is -and whether you feel the score deserves an Oscar or not-, The Fabelmans is generally considered -together with Women Talking and Babylon- as a strong frontrunner for the Original Score Award at this point, stronger than any Williams-score since Memoirs Of A Geisha. 

 

https://www.goldderby.com/awardshows/expert-predictions/oscars-nominations-2023-predictions/score/sort/recent/

 

https://nextbestpicture.com/oscar-predictions-best-original-score/

 

https://awardswatch.com/2023-oscar-predictions-original-score-december/

[Sandor 797]

‘The Fabelmans may no longer be at the top of the Best Picture chart, but it is the favorite to win Best Original Score. John Williams will likely earn his record-setting 52nd Oscar nomination this year for Spielberg’s drama and this could be his sixth win. His toughest competition could be from two previous winners - Justin Hurwitz for Babylon and Hildur Guðnadóttir for Women Talking.’

http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2022/12/26/team-experience-predictions-round-3-oscar-shortlists.html

 

[Taikomochi 1,136]

I think it hurts Babylon that the movie is apparently a piece of shit. That stuff tends to trickle down, though not always

[Disco Stu 15,495]

The reception I've seen for Babylon is way more nuanced than just "piece of shit."  Some critics I respect like it very much.  That said, what I got from the reviews is that I'm not interested in seeing it, which is quite the turnaround after being a big Chazelle fan.  From the descriptions, I'm truly amazed WB put $80 million for it.  I doubt Chazelle gets a budget like that the next time out!

[Taikomochi 1,136]

Sure, some critics like it, but some critics I follow called it the worst film of the year. At best, it’s divisive.
 

Apparently it needs to make $250 mil to break even. As is, it had the 6th worst opening weekend of all time for a wide release. It’s going to be considered a bomb because it is one, and I think that is something that blunts Oscar hype as well. I’d argue that’s what happened to West Side Story last year.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

15 minutes ago, Taikomochi said:

Sure, some critics like it, but some critics I follow called it the worst film of the year. At best, it’s divisive.
 

Apparently it needs to make $250 mil to break even with advertising costs considered. As is, it had the 6th worst opening weekend of all time for a wide release. It’s going to be considered a bomb because it is one, and I think that is something that blunts Oscar hype as well. I’d argue that’s what happened to West Side Story last year.

 

Yes, I agree that its Oscar chances are nil.  But that's a whole array of pretty narrow circumstances that have to line up for a movie to maintain Oscar trajectory.  I'm just saying from what I've read Babylon will not go down in the annals of truly horrendous pieces of shit movies that once had Oscar buzz like Extremely Loud and its ilk.  It seems like the kind of ambitious divisive film that will gain a community of ardent supporters over time.

 

For me, it's not the debauchery that turns me off, but that from what I've read Chazelle doesn't seem that interested in actually celebrating the culture of the time with any degree of accuracy or specificity.  He seems interested in the silent era/jazz age conceptually but not actually.

[Edmilson 7,433]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

From the descriptions, I'm truly amazed WB put $80 million for it

You mean Paramount?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

4 hours ago, Edmilson said:

You mean Paramount?

It seemed like the kind of foolhardy bet on a filmmaker that the previous WB regime would have made is why I misremembered it

[Tom 4,651]

On 27/12/2022 at 12:03 PM, Disco Stu said:

For me, it's not the debauchery that turns me off, 

Well if that is not a signature line, I don't know what is.  

[Sandor 797]

Variety has put Williams back on top of the list:

 

https://variety.com/feature/2023-oscars-best-original-score-predictions-1235381044/

[Sandor 797]

More buzz:

 

https://www.goldderby.com/article/2023/the-fabelmans-score-john-williams-oscars/amp/

[King Mark 3,631]

Don't get your hopes up.

 

Women Talking = #MeToo take down the patriarchy woke movie with woman director and woman composer. It's gonna sweep the awards including best original score, best director and best movie.

[Sandor 797]

2 hours ago, King Mark said:

Don't get your hopes up.

 

Women Talking = #MeToo take down the patriarchy woke movie with woman director and woman composer. It's gonna sweep the awards including best original score, best director and best movie.

You’re probably right Mark, though I don’t see any reason to get my hopes down at this point either.

 

The Fabelmans is being eyed as a potential winner in a way much stronger than any Williams score since Schindler’s List, aside from Memoirs Of A Geisha.

[Thor 7,493]

I would be very surprised if THE FABELMANS didn't get a nom.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Don’t forget this poll was capturing what JWFans thought way back in mid-November, before the Oscar campaign season was underway.

[Indianagirl 298]

On 23/12/2022 at 11:17 AM, Not Mr. Big said:

Hook is the Thomas Kinkade of John Williams scores!

While I don't agree...that was funny.

5 hours ago, King Mark said:

Don't get your hopes up.

 

Women Talking = #MeToo take down the patriarchy woke movie with woman director and woman composer. It's gonna sweep the awards including best original score, best director and best movie.

Regrettably this is probably very accurate.  

[Richard Penna 3,684]

Well, he's not getting a Bafta:

 

https://www.bafta.org/film/longlists-2023-ee-BAFTA-film-awards

 

They've longlisted it for film, screenplay, actress, 'casting' (is that a 'thing'?) and production design so they haven't ignored it, but no dice for Williams.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

If the OST is complete, the Women Talking original score is only a few minutes longer than Fabelmans.  If we're considering these the two current front-runners for the Oscar, kind of interesting they're both quite short.

[Sandor 797]

1 hour ago, Richard Penna said:

Well, he's not getting a Bafta:

 

https://www.bafta.org/film/longlists-2023-ee-BAFTA-film-awards

 

They've longlisted it for film, screenplay, actress, 'casting' (is that a 'thing'?) and production design so they haven't ignored it, but no dice for Williams.

This is one way to bring me back to reality….

 

The Fabelmans’ omission from the BAFTA selection may indicate that the bookmakers have been seriously overestimating Williams’ chances for an Oscar-win this year.

 

Of course either Women Talking or Babylon will take the award! 

 

That’s just the way the universe works I guess. 

[Sandor 797]

https://screenrant.com/oscars-2023-betting-odds-favorites/

 

Another article naming Williams as the current favorite to win the Original Score award.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

We need more precursors to get a good sense of the race, it’s early yet.  Most of what we have right now is critic awards which are very “noisy” in terms of predictiveness.

 

The score category feels more wide open than usual this year that’s for sure.

[King Mark 3,631]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

The score category feels more wide open than usual this year that’s for sure.

 He'd have a better chance than usual if he wrote something outstanding and memorable but  I think The Fableman's is one of his weakest scores to date that sort of cancels his odds this year. 

 

All the years he wrote some of his most celebrated scores there was something else more hyped (HPSS vs LotR) or more gimmicky (ESB vs Fame, Raiders vs Chariots of Fire)

[King Mark 3,631]

Lets see if he wins a Golden Globe tonight

 

Hmm, John Williams lost to Justin Hurwitz

 

JW was also in the audience...did he ever go to the Golden Globes before?

 

 

[crumbs 14,306]

He did not, Hurwitz won for Babylon. He now has 4 wins from 4 nominations... tying with Williams, who has 4 wins from 27 nominations.

 

Not sure if that says more about Hurwitz or the state of modern film music.

 

EDIT: They cut to Williams and he looked so sad.

 

[Edmilson 7,433]

The Oscars is Hurwitz's to lose.

 

That said, I thought the same thing when he won the Golden Globes (the crappiest award in Hollywood) in 2018 for First Man, but then he wasn't even nominated for the Oscars for some reason.

[King Mark 3,631]

Oh well i'm 4/5 guessing the winners so far...I thought Hildur would win score.

 

wait did a white guy who's last name is White just win something?

[crumbs 14,306]

9 minutes ago, King Mark said:

wait did a white guy who's last name is White just win something?

 

 

[King Mark 3,631]

I immortalised your screen cap

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Hurwitz is sailing to an Oscar for his first score that I don’t especially like, while his superb score for First Man couldn’t even get a nomination.

 

Anyway, who cares about the Golden Globes?

[King Mark 3,631]

Just watching for my Oscar predictions and I have nothing better to do

 

Guess the fatphobia Twitter backlash worked against Brendan Frazer for The Whale because he would have won 2 weeks ago.

 

 

 

 

[Brando 1,860]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

He did not, Hurwitz won for Babylon. He now has 4 wins from 4 nominations... tying with Williams, who has 4 wins from 27 nominations.

 

Not sure if that says more about Hurwitz or the state of modern film music.

 

EDIT: They cut to Williams and he looked so sad.

 

Was this from tonight? This kind of hurts my soul a little bit

[crumbs 14,306]

5 minutes ago, Brando said:

Was this from tonight? This kind of hurts my soul a little bit

 

Yes, when Hurwitz was giving his speech.

[Brando 1,860]

5 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

Yes, when Hurwitz was giving his speech.

Ah. I'll need to see if this is up anywhere.

[filmmusic 1,826]

4 minutes ago, Brando said:

Ah. I'll need to see if this is up anywhere.

https://fb.watch/hZU94LNJDR/

[King Mark 3,631]

it's my new signature...

to add insult to injury Spielberg is walking up the stage for winning best director to Williams theme

and he didn't thank JW in his speech

[Brando 1,860]

11 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

https://fb.watch/hZU94LNJDR/

Okay after watching it, it doesn't seem like he's sad, just tired it seems. Unless I'm reading him wrong.

[Edmilson 7,433]

I don't think JW would be THAT sad after losing a Golden Globe. He lost the Oscar race a lot of times before (while also winning it in 5 occasions), why would he be that disappointed about a fucking Golden Globe - aka the shittiest award in Hollywood?