Sandor 758 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/oscars-2023-original-score-shortlist-john-williams-1235190500/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,533 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 hours ago, filmmusic said: To think that The Fabelmans could be nominated when Hook wasn't.... Hook didn't deserve a nomination filmmusic, Tydirium, Madmartigan JC and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmartigan JC 79 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Leaving this here, in case there are any members of the The American Cinematheque around. THU JAN 12, 2023 6:00 PM SPIELBERG/WILLIAMS — 50 YEARS OF MUSIC AND MOVIES $25.00 (members-only) Writers Guild Theater | A Conversation with Steven Spielberg and John Williams. Moderated by Jon Burlingame. Priority ticketing access currently available only for Patron, Silver Screen, Marquee, and Movie Palace-Level Members before they go on sale to all American Cinematheque Members in early 2023. https://www.americancinematheque.com/now-showing/spielberg-williams-50-years-of-music-and-movies-1-12-23/ Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,338 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said: Hook didn't deserve a nomination True it deserve all nominations Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,533 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: True it deserve all nominations No!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,541 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 That's the first time I'm going to say a JW score doesn't deserve a nomination, but it will be anyways but won't win unless it's old guy sympathy vote year again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 6,184 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 13 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Hook didn't deserve a nomination Indeed, 1991 had so many great scores for the Academy to choose their 5 nominees (even though I think Horner's The Rocketeer could've been among them). Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 758 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 In 1992, JFK was nominated for Best Original Score and When You’re Alone from Hook for Best Original Song. I don’t think Williams got overlooked that year, despite Hook being perhaps the best score of 1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,679 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 10 hours ago, King Mark said: That's the first time I'm going to say a JW score doesn't deserve a nomination, While the others do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 7,512 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 On 22/12/2022 at 4:32 PM, Not Mr. Big said: Hook didn't deserve a nomination Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,483 Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just FYI for everybody: the Oscar nominations are not being announced until Jan. 24th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,533 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Hook is the Thomas Kinkade of John Williams scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,177 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Just FYI for everybody: the Oscar nominations are not being announced until Jan. 24th. But yet they have already determined the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 758 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 'One other competition I’m following closely is the battle for the Best Original Score Oscar. Currently, consensus has formed around Justin Hurwitz’s bombastic composition for Babylon, but with Universal playing up John Williams’ last collaboration with Steven Spielberg in The Fabelmans, might he just sweep through the season? I’m not ready to go there yet (it’s a very sparse score, and one that’s far less distinctive than Babylon‘s – or even Women Talking‘s and Pinocchio‘s for that matter), but watch this space.' https://weliveentertainment.com/weliveawards/zoe-2023-academy-awards-predictions-december-23/ Despite what your personal opinion of the score is -and whether you feel the score deserves an Oscar or not-, The Fabelmans is generally considered -together with Women Talking and Babylon- as a strong frontrunner for the Original Score Award at this point, stronger than any Williams-score since Memoirs Of A Geisha. https://www.goldderby.com/awardshows/expert-predictions/oscars-nominations-2023-predictions/score/sort/recent/ https://nextbestpicture.com/oscar-predictions-best-original-score/ https://awardswatch.com/2023-oscar-predictions-original-score-december/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 758 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 ‘The Fabelmans may no longer be at the top of the Best Picture chart, but it is the favorite to win Best Original Score. John Williams will likely earn his record-setting 52nd Oscar nomination this year for Spielberg’s drama and this could be his sixth win. His toughest competition could be from two previous winners - Justin Hurwitz for Babylon and Hildur Guðnadóttir for Women Talking.’ http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2022/12/26/team-experience-predictions-round-3-oscar-shortlists.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,078 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 I think it hurts Babylon that the movie is apparently a piece of shit. That stuff tends to trickle down, though not always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,483 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 The reception I've seen for Babylon is way more nuanced than just "piece of shit." Some critics I respect like it very much. That said, what I got from the reviews is that I'm not interested in seeing it, which is quite the turnaround after being a big Chazelle fan. From the descriptions, I'm truly amazed WB put $80 million for it. I doubt Chazelle gets a budget like that the next time out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,078 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Sure, some critics like it, but some critics I follow called it the worst film of the year. At best, it’s divisive. Apparently it needs to make $250 mil to break even. As is, it had the 6th worst opening weekend of all time for a wide release. It’s going to be considered a bomb because it is one, and I think that is something that blunts Oscar hype as well. I’d argue that’s what happened to West Side Story last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,483 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: Sure, some critics like it, but some critics I follow called it the worst film of the year. At best, it’s divisive. Apparently it needs to make $250 mil to break even with advertising costs considered. As is, it had the 6th worst opening weekend of all time for a wide release. It’s going to be considered a bomb because it is one, and I think that is something that blunts Oscar hype as well. I’d argue that’s what happened to West Side Story last year. Yes, I agree that its Oscar chances are nil. But that's a whole array of pretty narrow circumstances that have to line up for a movie to maintain Oscar trajectory. I'm just saying from what I've read Babylon will not go down in the annals of truly horrendous pieces of shit movies that once had Oscar buzz like Extremely Loud and its ilk. It seems like the kind of ambitious divisive film that will gain a community of ardent supporters over time. For me, it's not the debauchery that turns me off, but that from what I've read Chazelle doesn't seem that interested in actually celebrating the culture of the time with any degree of accuracy or specificity. He seems interested in the silent era/jazz age conceptually but not actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 6,184 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: From the descriptions, I'm truly amazed WB put $80 million for it You mean Paramount? Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,483 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Edmilson said: You mean Paramount? It seemed like the kind of foolhardy bet on a filmmaker that the previous WB regime would have made is why I misremembered it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,177 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 On 27/12/2022 at 12:03 PM, Disco Stu said: For me, it's not the debauchery that turns me off, Well if that is not a signature line, I don't know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 758 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Variety has put Williams back on top of the list: https://variety.com/feature/2023-oscars-best-original-score-predictions-1235381044/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 758 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 More buzz: https://www.goldderby.com/article/2023/the-fabelmans-score-john-williams-oscars/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,541 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Don't get your hopes up. Women Talking = #MeToo take down the patriarchy woke movie with woman director and woman composer. It's gonna sweep the awards including best original score, best director and best movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 758 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, King Mark said: Don't get your hopes up. Women Talking = #MeToo take down the patriarchy woke movie with woman director and woman composer. It's gonna sweep the awards including best original score, best director and best movie. You’re probably right Mark, though I don’t see any reason to get my hopes down at this point either. The Fabelmans is being eyed as a potential winner in a way much stronger than any Williams score since Schindler’s List, aside from Memoirs Of A Geisha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 6,771 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I would be very surprised if THE FABELMANS didn't get a nom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,483 Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 Don’t forget this poll was capturing what JWFans thought way back in mid-November, before the Oscar campaign season was underway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 On 23/12/2022 at 11:17 AM, Not Mr. Big said: Hook is the Thomas Kinkade of John Williams scores! While I don't agree...that was funny. 5 hours ago, King Mark said: Don't get your hopes up. Women Talking = #MeToo take down the patriarchy woke movie with woman director and woman composer. It's gonna sweep the awards including best original score, best director and best movie. Regrettably this is probably very accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,222 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Well, he's not getting a Bafta: https://www.bafta.org/film/longlists-2023-ee-BAFTA-film-awards They've longlisted it for film, screenplay, actress, 'casting' (is that a 'thing'?) and production design so they haven't ignored it, but no dice for Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,483 Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 If the OST is complete, the Women Talking original score is only a few minutes longer than Fabelmans. If we're considering these the two current front-runners for the Oscar, kind of interesting they're both quite short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 758 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: Well, he's not getting a Bafta: https://www.bafta.org/film/longlists-2023-ee-BAFTA-film-awards They've longlisted it for film, screenplay, actress, 'casting' (is that a 'thing'?) and production design so they haven't ignored it, but no dice for Williams. This is one way to bring me back to reality…. The Fabelmans’ omission from the BAFTA selection may indicate that the bookmakers have been seriously overestimating Williams’ chances for an Oscar-win this year. Of course either Women Talking or Babylon will take the award! That’s just the way the universe works I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 758 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 https://screenrant.com/oscars-2023-betting-odds-favorites/ Another article naming Williams as the current favorite to win the Original Score award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,483 Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 We need more precursors to get a good sense of the race, it’s early yet. Most of what we have right now is critic awards which are very “noisy” in terms of predictiveness. The score category feels more wide open than usual this year that’s for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,541 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: The score category feels more wide open than usual this year that’s for sure. He'd have a better chance than usual if he wrote something outstanding and memorable but I think The Fableman's is one of his weakest scores to date that sort of cancels his odds this year. All the years he wrote some of his most celebrated scores there was something else more hyped (HPSS vs LotR) or more gimmicky (ESB vs Fame, Raiders vs Chariots of Fire) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,541 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Lets see if he wins a Golden Globe tonight Hmm, John Williams lost to Justin Hurwitz JW was also in the audience...did he ever go to the Golden Globes before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 13,884 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 He did not, Hurwitz won for Babylon. He now has 4 wins from 4 nominations... tying with Williams, who has 4 wins from 27 nominations. Not sure if that says more about Hurwitz or the state of modern film music. EDIT: They cut to Williams and he looked so sad. Andy, Martinland, Brando and 3 others 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 6,184 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 The Oscars is Hurwitz's to lose. That said, I thought the same thing when he won the Golden Globes (the crappiest award in Hollywood) in 2018 for First Man, but then he wasn't even nominated for the Oscars for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,541 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Oh well i'm 4/5 guessing the winners so far...I thought Hildur would win score. wait did a white guy who's last name is White just win something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 13,884 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 9 minutes ago, King Mark said: wait did a white guy who's last name is White just win something? Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,541 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I immortalised your screen cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,483 Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 Hurwitz is sailing to an Oscar for his first score that I don’t especially like, while his superb score for First Man couldn’t even get a nomination. Anyway, who cares about the Golden Globes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,541 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just watching for my Oscar predictions and I have nothing better to do Guess the fatphobia Twitter backlash worked against Brendan Frazer for The Whale because he would have won 2 weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,637 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, crumbs said: He did not, Hurwitz won for Babylon. He now has 4 wins from 4 nominations... tying with Williams, who has 4 wins from 27 nominations. Not sure if that says more about Hurwitz or the state of modern film music. EDIT: They cut to Williams and he looked so sad. Was this from tonight? This kind of hurts my soul a little bit Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 13,884 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, Brando said: Was this from tonight? This kind of hurts my soul a little bit Yes, when Hurwitz was giving his speech. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,637 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, crumbs said: Yes, when Hurwitz was giving his speech. Ah. I'll need to see if this is up anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,679 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Brando said: Ah. I'll need to see if this is up anywhere. https://fb.watch/hZU94LNJDR/ Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,541 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 it's my new signature... to add insult to injury Spielberg is walking up the stage for winning best director to Williams theme and he didn't thank JW in his speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,637 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, filmmusic said: https://fb.watch/hZU94LNJDR/ Okay after watching it, it doesn't seem like he's sad, just tired it seems. Unless I'm reading him wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 6,184 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I don't think JW would be THAT sad after losing a Golden Globe. He lost the Oscar race a lot of times before (while also winning it in 5 occasions), why would he be that disappointed about a fucking Golden Globe - aka the shittiest award in Hollywood? Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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