mxsch 115 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 What are the dumbest moments of things like that you've ever heard? Lorne Balfe's score for third Bad Boys comes to my mind, where he just copies music from the Modern Warfare 2 exactly in the same arrangement like in the game. And that track is written by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 waiting for this to turn into a Tyler Bates thread Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 22 hours ago, mxsch said: What are the dumbest moments of things like that you've ever heard? Lorne Balfe's score for third Bad Boys comes to my mind, where he just copies music from the Modern Warfare 2 exactly in the same arrangement like in the game. And that track is written by him. That is not plagiarism, because neither of the composers wrote that percussion. It's just a standard percussion loop in an old sample library, most likely EW Percussive Adventures. Those are meant to be used by any composer in any project. The ethnic strings are probably from Spectrasonics or one of those older libraries (maybe even EW Goliath?) For example, compare the opening here--- ---with this quick recreation that I made Loop.mp3 TheUlyssesian and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Just about every Horner score features him either aping himself, or someone else, usually Jerry, or some Russian composer. Geez, that man was lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,339 Posted November 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Gibster said: waiting for this to turn into a Tyler Bates thread I rather thought, it might turn into a James Horner thread. MaxMovieMan, Manakin Skywalker and Tallguy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Now now everyone. There’s room in here for all of these hacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,393 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 The Horner self plagiarism example I hate the most are the Braveheart quotes on Bicentennial Man and Bobby Jones: Stroke of a Genius. These are pretty decent scores that are ruined right as Braveheart music starts to play. And I say that as a big Horner fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave 217 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 "Meeting Arthur / Lady Helen Posessed" from Merlin: Series 1 by Rob Lane https://youtu.be/BX7GijrdqDs?t=44 has the same melody and arrangement like "Parade Of The Ewoks" from Star Wars 6 by John Williams https://youtu.be/aHLGGIFR_F0?list=PLWqHapr7oiFbl32uYnyi098XRv_ujefiL&t=48 "The Tournament Begins" from Merlin: Series 1 by Rob Lane https://youtu.be/xeNU3_7CZLE?t=81 has the same cello line like "Prince Caspian Flees" from The Chronicles Of Narnia 2 by Harry Gregson-Williams https://youtu.be/Co5RROcMtpQ?list=PL49D101E82A6E4A38&t=140 "Hunith's Letter To Gaius" from Merlin: Series 1 by Rob Lane https://youtu.be/55jXZLVjq3s?t=23 has the same melody like "20 Years Ago" from X-Men 3 by John Powell https://youtu.be/KzV07j5WQ8U?list=PLUmSj40NRinchmQ006NX7Lbt698NojHDK&t=50 "Merlin Lost" from Merlin: Series 1 by Rob Lane https://youtu.be/HOKFSRmhnJg has the same melody like "Buckbeak's Flight" from Harry Potter 3 by John Williams https://youtu.be/gMoX0M29mlg?list=PL7371E36E3CA34140&t=26 "Guinevere" from Merlin: Series 1 by Rob Lane https://youtu.be/W34-C_NF10M has the same melody like "The Cyberman" from Doctor Who: Series 2 by Murray Gold https://youtu.be/p_JfzhGMFqE?list=OLAK5uy_lY-GV6Y7NymVdiZPN27aXD1USO1vWN18Y&t=16 GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 405 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 On 20/11/2022 at 8:09 AM, Manakin Skywalker said: That is not plagiarism, because neither of the composers wrote that percussion. It's just a standard percussion loop in an old sample library, most likely EW Percussive Adventures. Those are meant to be used by any composer in any project. The ethnic strings are probably from Spectrasonics or one of those older libraries (maybe even EW Goliath?) For example, compare the opening here--- ---with this quick recreation that I made Loop.mp3 295.92 kB · 200 downloads I see sample libraries as tools for hobby composers because they can't get a real orchestra, or as tools for professional composers to demo and get a feeling of where they're going. They shouldn't ever appear in actual Soundtrack releases because composers SHOULD be above that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, TolkienSS said: I see sample libraries as tools for hobby composers because they can't get a real orchestra, or as tools for professional composers to demo and get a feeling of where they're going. They shouldn't ever appear in actual Soundtrack releases because composers SHOULD be above that. Hate to break it to ya, but that’s been the industry standard for awhile now. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 On 20/11/2022 at 8:09 AM, Manakin Skywalker said: That is not plagiarism, because neither of the composers wrote that percussion. It's just a standard percussion loop in an old sample library, most likely EW Percussive Adventures. Those are meant to be used by any composer in any project. The ethnic strings are probably from Spectrasonics or one of those older libraries (maybe even EW Goliath?) For example, compare the opening here--- ---with this quick recreation that I made Loop.mp3 295.92 kB · 270 downloads The beginning reminds me of The Lost World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 348 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 But is it not problematic that these sample libraries dictate a lot of the scoring simply cos scorers don't have sufficient time to, well, score. I mean JW did it in AI - he used the same sample for that moon chase cue as Isham did in Crash...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 310 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 On 21/11/2022 at 4:21 AM, Dave said: "Meeting Arthur / Lady Helen Posessed" from Merlin: Series 1 by Rob Lane https://youtu.be/BX7GijrdqDs?t=44 has the same melody and arrangement like "Parade Of The Ewoks" from Star Wars 6 by John Williams https://youtu.be/aHLGGIFR_F0?list=PLWqHapr7oiFbl32uYnyi098XRv_ujefiL&t=48 "The Tournament Begins" from Merlin: Series 1 by Rob Lane https://youtu.be/xeNU3_7CZLE?t=81 has the same cello line like "Prince Caspian Flees" from The Chronicles Of Narnia 2 by Harry Gregson-Williams https://youtu.be/Co5RROcMtpQ?list=PL49D101E82A6E4A38&t=140 "Hunith's Letter To Gaius" from Merlin: Series 1 by Rob Lane https://youtu.be/55jXZLVjq3s?t=23 has the same melody like "20 Years Ago" from X-Men 3 by John Powell https://youtu.be/KzV07j5WQ8U?list=PLUmSj40NRinchmQ006NX7Lbt698NojHDK&t=50 "Merlin Lost" from Merlin: Series 1 by Rob Lane https://youtu.be/HOKFSRmhnJg has the same melody like "Buckbeak's Flight" from Harry Potter 3 by John Williams https://youtu.be/gMoX0M29mlg?list=PL7371E36E3CA34140&t=26 "Guinevere" from Merlin: Series 1 by Rob Lane https://youtu.be/W34-C_NF10M has the same melody like "The Cyberman" from Doctor Who: Series 2 by Murray Gold https://youtu.be/p_JfzhGMFqE?list=OLAK5uy_lY-GV6Y7NymVdiZPN27aXD1USO1vWN18Y&t=16 Happy to see someone else knows about the ridiculous temping in Merlin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 That must've been a nightmare to score if every other scene was temped with something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 There is only one good Merlin score Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxMovieMan 269 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 So I was watching Dogma and I don’t know if it’s just me but I recognized a familiar tune playing in the background of this scene. It’s the “Rivendell” theme from LOTR. Almost note-for-note. So I looked up who did the score thinking it would be a rando but no it was Howard Shore of all people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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