David Arnold's TOMORROW NEVER DIES (1997) - NEW! 2-CD Expanded Edition from La-La Land Records (2022)

[Jay 37,281]

On 25/11/2022 at 3:54 PM, Anthony said:

- Presumably the Oxford source cue wasn't Arnold or even made specially for this? It's the only thing that seems to be missing. (I know it's not an original composition.)

 

 

Neil says

 

Before anyone jumps in and says we left out "Cunning Linguist" please be aware that the composer, Beethoven, never composed a work with that title. In the film a licensed recording of his "Piano Concerto No. 5, 2nd Movement" was tracked in. The cue was not recorded for the film.

I hope you all enjoy the album.

 

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=149824&forumID=1&archive=0

 

 

On 25/11/2022 at 3:54 PM, Anthony said:

- Interesting that "Printing Press Fight" is a separate cue from "Hamburg Break Out".

 

It's clearly two separate cues in the film.   I think you are assuming that what you heard on a bootleg is how things were meant to be, when it was really just one fan's editing decision.  I made each cue as separate tracks when I got the DVD in 1998 and ripped the isolated score to burn onto CDR to listen to in my car.  I have seen boots where they grafted this cue onto "Hamburg Break Out", though.

 

 

On 25/11/2022 at 3:54 PM, Anthony said:

Also interesting that that bonus version has an "alternate opening", when I would have thought one would have been the film version (which has a different ENDING) and the other the OST version.

 

Printing Press Fight was not on the OST album (or Chapter III expansion), so I'm not sure what you're talking about here.

 

 

On 25/11/2022 at 4:00 PM, Anthony said:

I wonder how different the original version of White Knight is.

 

Neil says:

 

But what's about White Knight (Original Version)**† or Backseat Pilot (Original Version)*†?

Early versions of the cues. They're discussed in the booklet. "White Knight" has a different, longer opening. I really don't want to say too much about them as I want people to experience them without knowing too much.

 

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=149825&forumID=1&archive=0

 

 

12 hours ago, Anthony said:

Rather than Printing Press Fight having a "film opening" version, I would have guessed it would just have been a "film version" in general. It's not the opening of that cue that I thought was different.

 

Different from what?  This cue was not on the OST or Chapter III expansion, so the isolated score rip is all any of us have ever heard before.

 

The cue also only runs for 59 seconds in the isolated score, so the new main program version running for 1:22 clearly means it was edited down in the final cut and will contain music none of us have ever heard before.  The "Printing Press Fight (Film Opening)" track running for 1:10 seems to indicate to me that the film had some kind of shorter opening than the originally intended version, since the overall track length is 12 seconds shorter and the opening is singled out in the parenthesis.

 

 

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I just noticed that "Bike Shop Fight" has a "(Film Version)" moniker in the main program.  Somehow, I had never noticed that the Chapter III version was different than what you hear in the film!

 

I wonder why "Kowloon Bay" was able to be changed to "Ha Long Bay" with no problem, yet "Bike Shop Fight" had to keep its Chapter III name in the bonus track section and the film version got the "Film Version" moniker, instead of being able to be called just "Bike Shop Fight" in the main program with the the Chapter III version title "Bike Shop Fight (Alternate)"?

 

I also see that "Banner Escape" has a film mix in the bonus track section, it will be interesting to learn how the new main program version is different to what we're used to from the isolated score!

Man, I can't wait for this one!

[crocodile 7,983]

Neil S. Bulk has earned my trust over the years. I will trust him blindly with these types of things. He's got it. 

 

Karol

[Jay 37,281]

Him and Mike are the best in the business!

[harryfrishberg 37]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

Him and Mike are the best in the business!

Amen to this. I was actually lucky enough to work for Neil on this release -- my first credited gig on a soundtrack! And fitting that this score was my first Bond experience in a theater and remains my favorite Bond score to this day. (My second credit is on the new Spider-Man which was also a childhood favorite)

 

 

I'm so grateful that Neil brought be along for the ride  and I can't wait to hear everyone's reactions to this release! Some real treasures await! 

 

[Jay 37,281]

That's awesome, Harry! 

 

What'd you do for Neil? 

[harryfrishberg 37]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

That's awesome, Harry! 

 

What'd you do for Neil? 

I did "production assistance" -- pretty much the role you summed up rather nicely in the Amistad thread yesterday. Spreadsheets, transcriptions, proof-reading etc.

 

Neil is of course the ultimate professional when it comes to producing (x2 for a Bond score!), so I was just happy to contribute. 

 

[GerateWohl 4,327]

Anybody can say, why on the tomorrow never dies soundtrack Album on Spotify almost every track is credited to Nicholas Dodd?

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

he must be in the “performer” section as he is usually arnolds conductor, inst he? 

[Anthony 572]

Dodd orchestrated and conducted it. Sometimes albums get tagged incorrectly. I've seen Elfman albums credited to Shirley Walker or Pete Anthony for example.

 

Re: Hamburg Breakout/Printing Press Fight

 

13 hours ago, Jay said:

It's clearly two separate cues in the film.

 

The transition in between the two cues in the film is a bit of a mess. But you're right - I've been so used to having the cobbled together from the isolated score, I totally forgot the latter cue was never on the original album. I've just listened to that again now...I'm gonna have to get used to that ending. 

 

I wonder if/how Backseat Pilot transitions into the title song. I hope it doesn't and I can have the full Backseat Pilot cue followed by Surrender instead.

[Jay 37,281]

Based on thr timings there is no overlap between tracks here. 

[Quppa 117]

It was good to see Nicholas Dodd conducting at the Sound of 007 concert. I don't think he's collaborated with David Arnold since Paul (2011).

[Anthony 572]

I only discovered this track earlier this year, so it stands to reason other people who love TND might not be aware of it either. Classic Arnold.

 

 

This may have been answered several years ago/in another thread, but how come the expanded Arnold Bond scores were released in reverse order? 

 

[fommes 153]

Yes, that's one of my favourite Arnold compositions! The regular version isn't too shabby either.

 

On TND: over the moon with this expansion, of course, I can finally retire my edit of the score and can't wait to listen to the complete score at last.

[Yavar Moradi 2,585]

2 hours ago, Anthony said:

This may have been answered several years ago/in another thread, but how come the expanded Arnold Bond scores were released in reverse order? 

Reversed chronological order, yes, but I’m pretty sure they were released in the order of how much previously unreleased music there was. Tomorrow Never Dies had an original album, a prior single disc (but significant) expansion (which was oddly missing a bit of music on the original release), and an isolated score track. Between those three sources fans were able to construct a fairly complete version of the score. But this new version from LLL will blow that all away I’m sure…

 

Yavar

[DangerMotif 1,037]

I don’t know how well known this is but John Barry was originally in talks to compose the score for this one, talks fell through and they went to Arnold.

A couple years earlier Arnold originally told the Bond producers he would love to score one, they told him they just hired Serra for Goldeneye less than a week prior

[Jay 37,281]

I like Goldeneye's score, but Arnold starting his tenure with that one would have been great, I'm sure. 

[DangerMotif 1,037]

[Yavar Moradi 2,585]

The “what if” GoldenEye score I want to hear is Robert Folk’s…

 

Yavar

[Anthony 572]

As a film, I think I'd enjoy Goldeneye a whole lot more if it were scored by Arnold.

[mstrox 6,643]

As an album, too!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Both Goldeneye scores are iconic!  Love em!

[thestat 342]

Agree with Yavar here - man, if Folk was able to carry on with that assignment.....who knows what would have happened. He should have been a MUCH bigger name. Not relegated to silly comedies or simple drama crap. By all accounts he was hired for Goldeneye, but the usual tax incentives kicked in and a French composer was required. Can't help to think this must have been factor for the Broccoli hire initially:

 

 

[Tallguy 3,364]

I still think an Arnold score (i.e. very very Barry) was the last thing Goldeneye needed. Goldeneye managed to bring back a very Bond Bond without making it a "greatest hits". I think Serra's score contributes to this more than people appreciate. (Of course, I think COVID is appreciated more than Serra's score.)

 

Maybe if he did Goldenye first he wouldn't have done the "All Bond Theme All the Time" score that he did for TND.

 

And he's right, that Goldenye teaser is amazing.

[thestat 342]

Tallguy makes sense - fair enough. Serra was cool after Leon but the problem with Goldeneye is that Leon only makes a few appearances, the rest is chic 1995 French supermarket pop. But I think a less abrasive score might have worked as well to distinguish the franchise - ie. Folk doing a more expansive synth-accompanied score that uses brass and plays to his skill with spotting (something that Serra very seriously lacks).

 

 

[scallenger 481]

Can someone, anyone, at least re-score THIS scene? LOL

 

 

 

Sorry, couldn't help it!

[Tallguy 3,364]

19 minutes ago, scallenger said:

Can someone, anyone, at least re-score THIS scene? LOL

 

 

 

Sorry, couldn't help it!

 

As someone who reflexively hit the skip button on that track for years I have to say that once you get past the beepity boops that open the track and it smooths out it's not bad. No, I'm not taking it over Backseat Driver, but it serves the scene well. Better than Backseat Driver, actually, which isn't that great in the film. And it's a really good scene. So good that Mission: Impossible 2 would snatch it a few years later.

 

I've said it before but I think 80% of the hate for this score is directed at the first 30 seconds of this one track.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Classic cue

[Faleel 5,333]

Sometimes it seems the score for the movie and the game got switched.

[DangerMotif 1,037]

I assume they aren’t going to re release the other 2 Arnold Bond expansions with this?

[Faleel 5,333]

44 minutes ago, Gibster said:

I assume they aren’t going to re release the other 2 Arnold Bond expansions with this?

No?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

They’re both post 2005 anyway

[Faleel 5,333]

Just now, Disco Stu said:

They’re both post 2005 anyway

Aren't they UK recordings though?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

6 minutes ago, Clockwork Angel said:

Aren't they UK recordings though?

 

I always forget that wrinkle

[Quppa 117]

I took @Gibster's post to mean re-releasing The World is Not Enough and Die Another Day. Unfortunately I don't think they've been in stock since June 2021 (based on my La-La Land Records emails).

[mstrox 6,643]

11 hours ago, scallenger said:

Can someone, anyone, at least re-score THIS scene? LOL

 

 

 

Sorry, couldn't help it!

lol this is the first thing from Goldeneye that I’ve seen in like 20 years and it is so good 

[Bryant Burnette 654]

11 hours ago, Tallguy said:

 

As someone who reflexively hit the skip button on that track for years I have to say that once you get past the beepity boops that open the track and it smooths out it's not bad. No, I'm not taking it over Backseat Driver, but it serves the scene well. Better than Backseat Driver, actually, which isn't that great in the film. And it's a really good scene. So good that Mission: Impossible 2 would snatch it a few years later.

 

I've said it before but I think 80% of the hate for this score is directed at the first 30 seconds of this one track.

 

The other 20% is because nearly the entire score is shit.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,493]

This is rumour control here are the facts.

GOLDENEYE is not - NOT  - a bad score. Arguably, it's not a Bondian score, in the strictest sense but so freakin' what? 

Its greatest strength is that it plays against the film, rather than offering a typical thrill button experience.

I love GOLDENEYE, both film and score. They go very well, together, and I wouldn't want it rescored by anyone.

 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

1 hour ago, mstrox said:

lol this is the first thing from Goldeneye that I’ve seen in like 20 years and it is so good 

 

Brosnan was just perfect!

[Tallguy 3,364]

14 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

Brosnan was just perfect!

 

I tell you,  Dwayne Johnson was not why I went to go see Black Adam.

[Faleel 5,333]

52 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

I love GOLDENEYE, both film and score. They go very well, together, and I wouldn't want it rescored by anyone.

 

Technically it partially already was

[Disco Stu 15,495]

The Altman cue is great too!

[TolkienSS 405]

36 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

The Altman cue is great too!

 

It's sticking way too close to sync points for me to ever get more than appropriate.

[Anthony 572]

Given all the flack Goldeneye gets, there are still about 20 minutes of music from it that I enjoy:

 

The trailer music by Parodi & Fair
The Goldeneye Overture
Ladies First
Run, Shoot And Jump
Altman’s tank chase music
And the Prague instrumental of the title song

[Richard Penna 3,669]

I've got Fatal Weakness, Dish Out Of Water and Run, Shoot, And Jump.

 

The rest of the score.... eh, it's fine. Those who insist Bond should have a Barry/Arnold sound 'or else' should just go listen to their many scores instead and stop whining.

[Tallguy 3,364]

We Share the Same Passions is one of my favorite Bond tracks ever.

[Juanki 23]

18 hours ago, scallenger said:

Can someone, anyone, at least re-score THIS scene? LOL

 

 

 

Sorry, couldn't help it!

 

I like this music.

[Faleel 5,333]

I kinda like the E-MU ProCussion demo that is the first part of this track:

 

[Anthony 572]

Oh man, how surreal does it seem to be listening to never-before-heard music from Tomorrow Never Dies? The unused opening of Printing Press Fight is so cool!

 

https://johndadlez.com/MP3/TomorrowNeverDies/1_14_PPF.mp3

[WampaRat 1,105]

Just snagged this and Amistad as a  Christmas present for myself!

[Tallguy 3,364]

Oh yeah, I remember now: I really liked this score.

 

I know it's music we already have, but Bike Chase is so good.

 

The beginning of Okinawa is cool. It's where all the Bond fans declare with one voice "We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!"