Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, WampaRat said: Just snagged this and Amistad as a Christmas present for myself! Kudos, dude. This year, the best I can manage, is a tin of Quality Street WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Really trying not to listen to samples and just bask in the glory once I get mine in the mail...... blondheim and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KittBash 282 Posted November 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2022 WOW listening to those samples makes the iso score from the DVD sound like it was playing underwater all of these years... CANNOT WAIT to dig into this one! Docteur Qui, MrJosh, crumbs and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Plus it's now clearly obvious that in "Carver Gets It", they left a sound effect in the iso score track by accident. I always assumed that was the case, but it was so well timed that part of me was like "...perhaps it's part of the score?". blondheim and harryfrishberg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 282 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 28 minutes ago, Anthony said: Plus it's now clearly obvious that in "Carver Gets It", they left a sound effect in the iso score track by accident. I always assumed that was the case, but it was so well timed that part of me was like "...perhaps it's part of the score?". I know it's going to take me years not to hear that "screach" sound in my head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 It's one of the shells from the naval guns if I recall correctly. KittBash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 12 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I've got Fatal Weakness, Dish Out Of Water and Run, Shoot, And Jump. The rest of the score.... eh, it's fine. Those who insist Bond should have a Barry/Arnold sound 'or else' should just go listen to their many scores instead and stop whining. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron007 43 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 29/11/2022 at 3:06 PM, Anthony said: Plus it's now clearly obvious that in "Carver Gets It", they left a sound effect in the iso score track by accident. I always assumed that was the case, but it was so well timed that part of me was like "...perhaps it's part of the score?". And it sounds like there's some unused music after Carver gets the jump on Bond. Also, it's not a David Arnold score unless somebody or something "gets it" by the end. harryfrishberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Bought this without hesitation, which is saying something as my last physical music purchase was probably the Harry Potter set. What an absolute treat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, Cameron007 said: And it sounds like there's some unused music after Carver gets the jump on Bond. Also, it's not a David Arnold score unless somebody or something "gets it" by the end. Haven't listened to the clips, but I do recall thinking it sounded like there were some cuts or something odd in the iso score of that cue, so I was guessing there might be some unreleased/ unused music there. Cool! harryfrishberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 52 minutes ago, Cameron007 said: Also, it's not a David Arnold score unless somebody or something "gets it" by the end. But it's also been 20 years since anybody or anything has gotten it. Carver Gets It Tanker Gets It The Boat Gets It The Garden Gets It Sub Gets It Peoples Gets It Walter Gets It Antonov Gets It Moneypenny Gets It MrJosh, scallenger and Cameron007 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I don't gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Anthony said: But it's also been 20 years since anybody or anything has gotten it. Carver Gets It Tanker Gets It The Boat Gets It The Garden Gets It Sub Gets It Peoples Gets It Walter Gets It Antonov Gets It Moneypenny Gets It I'm surprised there weren't any 'gets it' in ID4....there's a plethora of opportunity: Satellite Gets It The Wrong Field Gets It AWAC Gets It Welcome Wagon Gets It New York/D.C./LA Gets It Jimmy Gets It El Toro Gets It Slimey Gets It The First Lady Gets It Mothership Gets It Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 "The Bitch Got It" MrJosh and Cameron007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 We’ll I got it today in the mail. Im curious to know whether it is the same mix as the movie for the two songs. They sound great regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 On 01/12/2022 at 8:45 AM, Anthony said: "The Bitch Got It" More than any other scene in CASINO ROYALE, this one sends me apoplectic. Keep your arms straight, move your hands down about two inches, and when you go to give her breaths, open... the fucking... airway!!! WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 56 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: More than any other scene in CASINO ROYALE, this one sends me apoplectic. Keep your arms straight, move your hands down about two inches, and when you go to give her breaths, open... the fucking... airway!!! It’s true. With all the special and practical effects at their disposal, I have yet to see a convincing CPR scene in a Hollywood movie. (They often devolve into just slapping or beating the crap out of an unconscious person for dramatic effect🙄) Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,381 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 3 hours ago, WampaRat said: It’s true. With all the special and practical effects at their disposal, I have yet to see a convincing CPR scene in a Hollywood movie. (They often devolve into just slapping or beating the crap out of an unconscious person for dramatic effect🙄) But... The Abyss! Sorry, I couldn't hold a straight face. Naïve Old Fart and WampaRat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Guernsey 2,281 Posted December 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2022 5 hours ago, WampaRat said: It’s true. With all the special and practical effects at their disposal, I have yet to see a convincing CPR scene in a Hollywood movie. (They often devolve into just slapping or beating the crap out of an unconscious person for dramatic effect🙄) Isn’t a key issue that properly done CPR is actually quite brutal and beaks ribs so would therefore be difficult to by accurately simulated by actors? However I agree that adding some level of realism wouldn’t be difficult especially given that movie sets have, you know, emergency medical personnel on hand. ThePenitentMan1, WampaRat and Docteur Qui 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Oh yeah. They have to crack ribs for it to be effective. But I’m sure there’s some visual trick they could use to make it look a bit more realistic. They could always go the “full prosthetic chest” route ala Iron Man. I’m sure that would be cost effective 😉 Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just imagine that. Sounds of cracking bones in Atmos. Karol Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 On 04/12/2022 at 3:05 PM, Naïve Old Fart said: More than any other scene in CASINO ROYALE, this one sends me apoplectic. Keep your arms straight, move your hands down about two inches, and when you go to give her breaths, open... the fucking... airway!!! It's never accurate - if it was, the actors would risk to get their rips broken. I cannot unsee it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WampaRat 1,105 Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 My copy of TND arrived today. I swapped the Sheryl Crowe song for the Alternate version of “Surrender” to play after “White Knight” and “Backseat Pilot” and its *chefs kiss*. Such a great way to announce Arnold’s main theme in full after being teased with it in “white knight”. You’re really able to identify all its iterations throughout the rest of the score’s narrative. And then close the main program with the film version of “Surrender”. Nice big ole’ reprisal that sends the whole adventure off with a bang! Faleel, crumbs, Drawgoon and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,381 Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 I think the prominent statements of Surrender (e.g. White Knight, Backseat Driver, Kowloon Bay) are the most thrilling statements of a Bond theme in the whole series. Jay, WampaRat, Tom Guernsey and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,676 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Does anyone know to what extent the DVD's isolated score was carried across to the Blu-ray? I see it listed on some review sites but wondered if anyone in the UK has it. I'd rather like to revisit film and be able to focus on the music - could tempt me into enjoying enough of the score to buy this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Does anyone know to what extent the DVD's isolated score was carried across to the Blu-ray? I see it listed on some review sites but wondered if anyone in the UK has it. I'd rather like to revisit film and be able to focus on the music - could tempt me into enjoying enough of the score to buy this. It's definitely included on the 50th anniversary Blu-ray boxset. Think it's listed under the languages option rather than extras though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Alan said: It's definitely included on the 50th anniversary Blu-ray boxset. Think it's listed under the languages option rather than extras though The odd thing is the DVD isolated score is 5.1 on the UK release of the film, but stereo on the US version. I don't know what mix appeared on the Blu-ray in the UK, but the same stereo (but 'upgraded' to 224kbps Dolby Digital over the DVD's 192kbps) was included on the US Blu-ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WampaRat 1,105 Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 Just finished my first complete listen to this new set. I’d only ever listened to the Chapter III release and while I feel that edition is still a great summation of the score, this release knocks it out of the park. What a tremendous love letter to the Bond scores of the past mixed with the expectations of 90s blockbuster scoring. Arnold really attacked this as if he’d never score another Bond film again. The Monty Norman theme is flashed all over the place yet never becomes tiresome due to Arnold’s skillful adaptations and iterations. I mentioned earlier my preference for including the alternate version of “Surrender” instead of the Sheryl Crowe song. Still the best way to go in my opinion. Sometimes I find beefy action scores like this can outstay their welcome after 70mins. But this one knows just when to lay into the bombast and when to pull it back and have a breather. (The Okinawa/Halo cue is the perfect connecting tissue between “Backseat Driver” and “Underwater Discovery”. A tonal jump I always found jarring on the Chapter 3 release) There’s always something interesting occurring with the orchestration that keeps you hooked. Percussion, gorgeous woodwind solos. Even the 20 minute action packed climax beginning with “Boarding The Stealth” all the way to “All in a Days Work” is sprinkled with appropriate moments of rest before it boils over into another whirlwind of Bond Bravado. Toss out those old boots and iso score rips. Nobody does it better than Lala Land (Now onto Amistad. Talk about a tonal shift 😁) Tallguy, MrJosh, LSH and 3 others 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, WampaRat said: Just finished my first complete listen to this new set. I’d only ever listened to the Chapter III release and while I feel that edition is still a great summation of the score, this release knocks it out of the park. What a tremendous love letter to the Bond scores of the past mixed with the expectations of 90s blockbuster scoring. Arnold really attacked this as if he’d never score another Bond film again. The Monty Norman theme is flashed all over the place yet never becomes tiresome due to Arnold’s skillful adaptations and iterations. I mentioned earlier my preference for including the alternate version of “Surrender” instead of the Sheryl Crowe song. Still the best way to go in my opinion. Sometimes I find beefy action scores like this can outstay their welcome after 70mins. But this one knows just when to lay into the bombast and when to pull it back and have a breather. (The Okinawa/Halo cue is the perfect connecting tissue between “Backseat Driver” and “Underwater Discovery”. A tonal jump I always found jarring on the Chapter 3 release) There’s always something interesting occurring with the orchestration that keeps you hooked. Percussion, gorgeous woodwind solos. Even the 20 minute action packed climax beginning with “Boarding The Stealth” all the way to “All in a Days Work” is sprinkled with appropriate moments of rest before it boils over into another whirlwind of Bond Bravado. Toss out those old boots and iso score rips. Nobody does it better than Lala Land (Now onto Amistad. Talk about a tonal shift 😁) My jealousy knows no boundaries. I resent and hate you in this moment. A. A. Ron, Jay, Smeltington and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WampaRat 1,105 Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 blondheim, Kusi, Smeltington and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusi 16 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 48 minutes ago, blondheim said: My jealousy knows no boundaries. I resent and hate you in this moment. same here... besides of ID4 Tomorrow Never Dies is my favorite score by David Arnold. Loved it!!!!! Can't wait till the delivery arrives in Switzerland WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Mine's arriving next week. Cannot wait. WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxsch 115 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 There is so much leitmotifs it's bonkers. Main theme, From Russia With Love, Surrender, love theme for Paris, Kaufman, Goldeneye-like motif in the White Knight which reappears in the Grenade, NATO, Vietnam, all ship things have it's own motif including sinking (The Sinking of the Devonshire is heavily connected with the all final stuff), villain motif which reappears in the TWINE, Harpoon missile almost exploding/ship self-destructing ostinato in the White Knight/Carver Gets It, three-note "Danger" ostinato which featured in all Arnold-scored movies except Quantum, damn WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,740 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I rather dig the Simon Greenaway source pieces. Faleel and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,341 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 22 hours ago, WampaRat said: My copy of TND arrived today. I swapped the Sheryl Crowe song for the Alternate version of “Surrender” to play after “White Knight” and “Backseat Pilot” and its *chefs kiss*. Such a great way to announce Arnold’s main theme in full after being teased with it in “white knight”. You’re really able to identify all its iterations throughout the rest of the score’s narrative. And then close the main program with the film version of “Surrender”. I personally feel it would be better to have them the other way around, Surrender alternate at the end, the other version at the beginning. harryfrishberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Seems like I’m the only person in the world who likes the film song much better than Surrender. It fits much more with the tradition of the Bassey songs before it, but not with the modern style of the Brosnan Bonds. Sounds like a throwback track. Jurassic Shark and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,341 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Crow song sucks tho. Vocal is kinda weak, verses and chorus have no sauce, only intro is of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Clockwork Angel said: I personally feel it would be better to have them the other way around, Surrender alternate at the end, the other version at the beginning. For me, after the bombast of the two opening tracks, it’s a nice little tonal break to have the more quiet opening of the alternate that later explodes with the brass. Just my preference. Both are amazing though. I’m starting to like it a tad more than The World Is Not Enough by Garbage. I liked that one a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Bond sounded more authentic with Barry, surely, but he never sounded cooler than when he was with David Arnold. WampaRat, A. A. Ron and Bryant Burnette 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 hours ago, mstrox said: Seems like I’m the only person in the world who likes the film song much better than Surrender. It fits much more with the tradition of the Bassey songs before it, but not with the modern style of the Brosnan Bonds. Sounds like a throwback track. Hey I voiced a similar sentiment just a week ago! mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 6 hours ago, mstrox said: Seems like I’m the only person in the world who likes the film song much better than Surrender. It fits much more with the tradition of the Bassey songs before it, but not with the modern style of the Brosnan Bonds. Sounds like a throwback track. Sounds like an attempt at a throwback track. "Surrender" sounds like the real deal. I like the former; I love the latter. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,381 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, MedigoScan said: Hey I voiced a similar sentiment just a week ago! Now there are TWO of them! 5 minutes ago, Bryant Burnette said: Sounds like an attempt at a throwback track. "Surrender" sounds like the real deal. I like the former; I love the latter. TND sounds like Perry Mason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,343 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Anyway, it is great that the songs are included. I actually hate it, when bast... people like Chris Cornell or Adel prevent the songs from being published with the soundtrack album. Especially for Casino Royale where the song is all over the place in the score. A. A. Ron, bruce marshall and Bryant Burnette 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,647 Posted December 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2022 I suspect it’s not the artists themselves but their record companies and their multi-million dollar contracts. Adele was a Columbia artist during Skyfall and the OST was released by Sony Classical. The two labels probably couldn’t come to terms with each other regarding profit share from the album, and as a result the album was only Sony Classical and the single was released by XL/Columbia. Similarly, “You Know My Name” was released by Interscope as was “No Time To Die” with not a penny to Sony. Ditto Sam Smith on Capitol Records. On the other side, Jack White was releasing music on his own label at the time and Alicia Keys was already a Sony artist on J Records, so I’m sure the negotiations were fairly easy for Quantum of Solace. WampaRat, MrJosh, Jay and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,343 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 But I remember an interview with Chris Cornell where he explicitly said, he didn't want the song to be published on the soundtrack album, but He wanted to "keep it to himself" how he put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,740 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Damn, the film take of Backseat Driver is great! blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,676 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: But I remember an interview with Chris Cornell where he explicitly said, he didn't want the song to be published on the soundtrack album, but He wanted to "keep it to himself" how he put it. You'd think most artists would be grateful for the chance of exposure - I'd sure as hell never heard of him apart from Bond. Keeping your song off the official album is - in my humble opinion, a really dumb way of responding to the opportunity. 1 hour ago, mstrox said: I suspect it’s not the artists themselves but their record companies and their multi-million dollar contracts. Adele was a Columbia artist during Skyfall and the OST was released by Sony Classical. The two labels probably couldn’t come to terms with each other regarding profit share from the album, and as a result the album was only Sony Classical and the single was released by XL/Columbia. The problem with that is that consumers don't give a monkey's which label some artist is signed to or which studio happens to be in charge of a franchise this week. All they (and we) notice is... where the hell's the song? Didn't the Spidey deal a while back end up with Marvel having the rights for free, because the IP owners decided that having Spidey in their movie was enough promotion? I've bought entire albums and even become a fan of artists just from hearing one single song included on some album. Strikes me that these companies think far too much about raw $$ and not enough about sheer exposure of their artist. (diplomatic way of saying their marketing people are idiots) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I would hope in this case that including the song in the score would served to cement "You Know My Name" in it's rightful place in the James Bond musical canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2022 28 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I'd sure as hell never heard of him apart from Bond. To be fair, I think this might say more about your music tastes than his relative fame. Between Soundgarden and Audioslave, Cornell was very very popular and well-known by the mid 2000s. (this doesn't mean I don't agree it was dumb to keep the song off the OST, which it was) mstrox, Tallguy and Docteur Qui 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,381 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Yeah, in my last lingering moments of knowing current music I was pretty excited that Garbage was going to do TWINE. But I had some older friends who were saying "What the hell is this Garbage? Haw haw haw." But yeah. Some things that people should just "know". If you do a Bond song put it on the record. If you're going to be Doctor Who show up for the anniversaries. I'm sure there's another one, but those are my big two. Back to Bond: If you do a Bond song let the composer write it or at least collaborate on it so it will be in the rest of the score. What was the first song not in the score? License to Kill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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