Dial of Destiny: "Huge score" with 2 hours of music, 60+ cues, according to Mangold

[Darth Mulder 109]

45 minutes ago, Bespin said:

We'll get a 70 minutes OST, starting with The Raiders March, then by the 4 Concert Suites especially written for the album, then a dozen cues from the score in a non-chronological order.  

 

Someone tell Williams that 90 min score is not unusual these days...or tweet it to Mangold!!! That would be great.

[Holko 8018]

59 minutes ago, Michael Grigorowitsch said:

I would VASTLY prefer a score-only film version to a more comprehensive album.

I would VASTLY prefer a proper score presentation to what is only a resource for approximative complete score fanedits, with dialed out bits, looping, tracking, microedits, no alternates, that I will never watch anyway.

[GerateWohl 2500]

They could just put the first 70 minutes of the score chronologically on the OST, cut it off from there and save the rest for a later release in 10 years or so.

[Bespin 6820]

I would absolutely love to have three cues from the score mixed together, one following each other: one cue from the beginning, one from the middle and one from the end of the movie! 

[ThePenitentMan1 161]

45 minutes ago, Tom said:

with the 4 suites being The Adventures of Mutt, Marion's Theme, Scherzo for Motorcycle, and The Basket Game.  

 

What, nothing from Temple?

[Tom 3373]

9 minutes ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:

 

What, nothing from Temple?

No, we would want that.  

[Mr. Who 633]

1 hour ago, Darth Mulder said:

 

Someone tell Williams that 90 min score is not unusual these days...or tweet it to Mangold!!! That would be great.

Someone tell him that complete score releases aren't unheard of!

[Tom 3373]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Who said:

Someone tell him that complete score releases aren't unheard of!

Maestro Williams, you know that complete score releases aren't unheard of.

 

Um, did you not buy my latest score release?  

[TolkienSS 184]

I really wish Williams would keep up with modern digital music services, and allow people to hear the quasi full score as recorded, like so many others do. There are hours of music released for any third rate new TV show, but a legacy JW score is available only on a chopped up 70 minute album? That's just not right.

 

It's fine that Williams has control over the soundtrack assembly, it's his music, but it really wouldn't put a dent in his crown if he released a full score on streaming services, in addition to the well put together concept album he has done for 40 years.

[Alex 2387]

70 minute album with almost half an hour dedicated to:

 

Raiders March - 5 minutes

Helena’s Theme - 4 minutes

The Dial of Destiny - 3 minutes

Scherzo for Tuk Tuk and Orchestra - 3 minutes 

Indy’s 51st Adventure - 12 minutes

End credits (Raiders March) - 9 minutes

Rey’s Theme - 3 minutes

[crumbs 12605]

I'm holding out hope MM might convince JW to release an expanded version of the score alongside his traditional OST, bundled into a deluxe box set with all 5 scores. 

 

There'll be 6 months after recording to assemble it... wouldn't that be sufficient? 

[blondheim 1020]

3 minutes ago, crumbs said:

I'm holding out hope that MM might convince JW to release an expanded version of the score alongside his traditional OST, bundled into a deluxe box set with all 5 scores. 

 

There'll be 6 months after recording to assemble it... wouldn't that be sufficient? 

Never gonna happen but Dream Away

[Manakin Skywalker 3601]

7 hours ago, Michael Grigorowitsch said:

I would VASTLY prefer a score-only film version to a more comprehensive album.

 

I'm... assuming that's sarcasm?

[Cerebral Cortex 2847]

On 20/12/2022 at 2:17 PM, Brando said:

Posting this here since some people might not be in the other thread, but Mangold did reply to this tweet:

 

Damn, I thought that part got included in my embed. That was the whole reason I posted it lol

[Edmilson 4498]

14 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

save the rest for a later release in 50 years or so.

Fixed 

[80sFan 94]

18 hours ago, blondheim said:

Never gonna happen but Dream Away

 

[blondheim 1020]

2 hours ago, 80sFan said:

 

 

[Alex 2387]

I think this is the most excited I’ve been for a new JW score, even more so than for TFA. Anyone else feel the same?

 

 

[Tom 3373]

I think that it will be an excellent score.  I probably am a bit more excited about the prospect of a full piano concerto, but as that is far less definite, it is harder to rally behind it just yet.  When it comes to Williams and projects such as Indy, there is a tendency to react negatively if it does not reach masterpiece-level scoring.  So, I also expect some muted initial reactions.  

 

Spoiler

If the Archimedes rumors are true, then I look forward to Ancient Greek-styled epic music, which Williams has not really done before.  That excites me the most in terms of the movie.  A throwback patriotic march to the parade chase too, but my gut tells me that is not going to happen.  

 

[mrbellamy 5622]

That's a fun tangent of its own, what were the John Williams scores that got us most excited?

 

I think my own shortlist would be Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban, Revenge of the Sith, Tintin/War Horse (tied), Force Awakens, and Last Jedi

 

Tintin/War Horse is a bit of an anomaly but it was just the fact they were coming out together, seemed like big music-heavy projects, and it was three years' worth waiting for a Williams score during which a Harry Potter return had been teased and dashed...holy blueballs

 

I can't put Rise of Skywalker all the way up there just cause there were more "knowns" by that point, especially with JJ back and having a good idea after TLJ what version of "sequel Williams" it was gonna be. I did think there was a chance he could get crazy on VII or VIII and that was exciting. Since they ended up being more on the conventional side of excellence my anxiety settled down to 9/10 from 10/10 haha. 

 

Weirdly I don't recall being super hyped for Crystal Skull. I was definitely excited but I guess I've just never been as deep on Indy? The other Spielbergs, it's hard to really get myself as pumped for the dramas. Even though I have many favorites, imagining the score is harder so it's always more wait-to-hear. I might have been more locked into the potential of something like Memoirs these days. I remember looking forward to WotW but I knew it wouldn't have the big lush themes I loved most. And I was excited about BFG because I knew it'd be very music-heavy, but I also had a sense what that was gonna be. I also have great memories anticipating Book Thief because it was so random and a short wait from the announcement.

 

I'm solid on Dial of Destiny rn. It'll be really good, but I guess I also feel like I know what to expect. I like "Helena's Theme" but I'm not obsessed with it, and the trailer didn't blow me away so I have kinda safe boundaries for what I want and I'm also at peace with it being the last ever JW. I'd be happy with a very normal action-adventure score. I don't anticipate wild stylistic turns from him anymore so that'd be awesome but not something I'm really thinking about, and then overall it's just variable how well the movie and various sequences are constructed technically and emotionally, and how locked in he gets. Could be fantastic! 

[Richard Penna 2504]

I got into scores too late for most of his 'classic' franchise scores and considering I'm not into SW, however I do remember getting excited for RotK and PoA at uni.

 

I remain almost impartial on DoD - Helena's theme isnt my thing, but my main issue with KotCS is that the film IMO is so dull that the character/MacGuffin bits didn't provide JW with anything to work with, and the music reflected that. I have far higher expectations for this one but I certainly don't expect to get anything regarded as well as Raiders, for example.

[Tom 3373]

In the last 15 years, The Force Awakens tops the list for me.  Tintin was a big deal for me as it was the first cartoon (yes, I know) that Williams would score.  They were both slight initial letdowns to me, but that was due to my insane expectations more than anything else.  I still think had Williams opened with or at least included a concert version of the heroic version of Tintin's theme, it would be considered a top ten score for many more people.  

[Jurassic Shark 9331]

The Post.

[GerateWohl 2500]

In a way, for Dial of Destiny I see a similar problem coming like I already had with KotCS: That there might be too much stuff in the movie and that more is somehow less. In KotCS there were too many places, too many characters without really coming together as one consistent story. And even for the McGuffin it was not really clear where it was and how. At the beginning they find one in the warehouse in that box including a full skelleton. But then later they search it as well in some graves. Then later in that ufo temple, there they find the skeletons and just one head is missing and no body. I don't understand this until today.

At least that's the taste in the back of my mouth after all this time.

But I love to be proven wrong.

[Brando 863]

I keep forgetting that extras in the parade pictures had bagpipes, so I'm hoping for some nice bagpipe source music.

[artguy360 1673]

10 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

In a way, for Dial of Destiny I see a similar problem coming like I already had with KotCS: That there might be too much stuff in the movie and that more is somehow less. In KotCS there were too many places, too many characters without really coming together as one consistent story. And even for the McGuffin it was not really clear where it was and how. At the beginning they find one in the warehouse in that box including a full skelleton. But then later they search it as well in some graves. Then later in that ufo temple, there they find the skeletons and just one head is missing and no body. I don't understand this until today.

At least that's the taste in the back of my mouth after all this time.

But I love to be proven wrong.

I'd like to think the script for DoD is better than KOTS. At least, that is my sincere hope.

 

I'm also drooling over the idea of more JW Indy action music. That's really all I want from this score. Everything else is just gravy on top.

[Brando 863]

7 hours ago, Brando said:

I keep forgetting that extras in the parade pictures had bagpipes, so I'm hoping for some nice bagpipe source music.

@Martinland Bagpipes

[Tom 3373]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6fYLcv7tk

[Brando 863]

2 hours ago, Tom said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6fYLcv7tk

Amazing. The music too

[King Mark 3182]

On 03/01/2023 at 9:08 AM, Tom said:

 I still think had Williams opened with or at least included a concert version of the heroic version of Tintin's theme, it would be considered a top ten score for many more people.  

I've always said it. It had the potential to be on Raider's March level

[Luke Skywalker 1440]

On 4/1/2023 at 4:26 AM, Brando said:

@Martinland Bagpipes

I could see it having bagpipe sweeteners a la mandolin ones from venice

[Tom 3373]

On 19/12/2022 at 3:26 PM, crumbs said:

 

 

 

 

In a related tweet, Jar Jar Binks mentioned that it was a big movie with a huge-o score.  

[Brando 863]

2 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said:

I could see it having bagpipe sweeteners a la mandolin ones from venice

Yes! 

[King Mark 3182]

I hope there's no banjo,harmonica,mandolin,harpsichord,saxophone and other instuments than make orchestral scores sound off

 

and no Piano finale

[Mr. Gitz 46]

Wouldn’t you love to have seen John Williams face when he saw the trailer for the first time and heard how his Raiders March was adapted? 
 

Like…What in gods name goes thru these peoples head? It’s easily the worst rendition of the Raiders March I’ve ever heard and I heard a Grade 7 band give it a go. 

[A Farewell to Kings 3551]

3 hours ago, King Mark said:

I hope there's no banjo,harmonica,mandolin,harpsichord,saxophone and other instuments than make orchestral scores sound off

 

and no Piano finale

Man, you must really hate TLC then

[Bellosh 1718]

Wait nevermind 

[Romão 2066]

2 hours ago, Clockwork Angel said:

Man, you must really hate TLC then

 

And Tintin

[ThePenitentMan1 161]

2 hours ago, Clockwork Angel said:

Man, you must really hate TLC then

 

It could've used a little more TLC.

[crumbs 12605]

There should be some cool source music for the parade and Morocco scenes. 

 

Hopefully Mangold didn't bring in Lin Manuel Miranda to compose all that. 

[Not Mr. Big 4047]

4 hours ago, Mr. Gitz said:

Wouldn’t you love to have seen John Williams face when he saw the trailer for the first time and heard how his Raiders March was adapted? 
 

Like…What in gods name goes thru these peoples head? It’s easily the worst rendition of the Raiders March I’ve ever heard and I heard a Grade 7 band give it a go. 

I guarantee JW hasn't watched it 

[Manakin Skywalker 3601]

18 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

I guarantee JW hasn't watched it 

 

Well sure he did! He saw it while scrolling through TikTok on his iPhone, as he always does when not composing music.

[crumbs 12605]

22 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

I guarantee JW hasn't watched it 

 

Didn't JW make that special appearance conducting the Raiders March at the same event they debuted the trailer? 

 

Maybe I'm mixing things up. 

[Not Mr. Big 4047]

4 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

Didn't JW make that special appearance conducting the Raiders March at the same event they debuted the trailer? 

 

Maybe I'm mixing things up. 

I thought that was in May for Obi Wan

[crumbs 12605]

You're probably right, it all blends together these days.

[Brando 863]

13 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Well sure he did! He saw it while scrolling through TikTok on his iPhone, as he always does when not composing music.

“Joseph baby, what is this…dancing?”

 

13 hours ago, crumbs said:

 

Didn't JW make that special appearance conducting the Raiders March at the same event they debuted the trailer? 

 

Maybe I'm mixing things up. 

No it dropped 12/1, during the Brazil comic con. I don’t think JW was doing anything that day, could be wrong.

[Tom 3373]

5 minutes ago, Brando said:

No it dropped 12/1, during the Brazil comic con. I don’t think JW was doing anything that day, could be wrong.

Does drinking Martinis count as something?  

[Brando 863]

15 minutes ago, Tom said:

Does drinking Martinis count as something?  

Yes

[Muad'Dib 1622]

On 05/01/2023 at 4:35 PM, King Mark said:

 no saxophone

 

I beg your pardon, this is one of the best bits!!

 

 

[Tom 3373]