Doug Fake announces a Williams title is coming from Intrada this year

[Thor 5,979]

You ain't a proper JW fan if you ain't diggin' CINDERELLA LIBERTY, man!

[Luke Skywalker 1,511]

59 minutes ago, Thor said:

You ain't a proper JW fan if you ain't diggin' CINDERELLA LIBERTY, man!

The OST is enough 

[Thor 5,979]

Sure is!

[A. A. Ron 1,017]

Well then reissue it so I can buy it!

[rough cut 1,470]

”Cinderella stay awhile, you’re the one that I’ve been looking for…”

 

 

 

[JTWfan77 1,407]

I love Cinderella Liberty but I'd much rather have a significant expansion in terms of unreleased music, such as The Patriot or Nixon.

 

I'm surprised no one has brought up Born on the Fourth of July as a possible candidate for this particular release.

[BrotherSound 1,989]

12 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said:

I'm surprised no one has brought up Born on the Fourth of July as a possible candidate for this particular release.

 

That'd be a solid choice too, if not as potentially revelatory as Nixon or (especially) The Patriot. Very unusually for Williams, there's a lot of literally note-for-note repetition throughout the score that I'll be curious to see how Matessino handles. It's one that may call for something significantly different from a C&C style presentation.

[Tom Guernsey 1,765]

1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said:

I love Cinderella Liberty but I'd much rather have a significant expansion in terms of unreleased music, such as The Patriot or Nixon.

 

I'm surprised no one has brought up Born on the Fourth of July as a possible candidate for this particular release.

There’s a BOTFOJ* boot which I believe has the full score and which doesn’t really offer anything revelatory

from the OST but the sound on both could do with an audible polish.
 

Also JFK although I don’t know how much is missing there and in need of an sonic upgrade even more than BOTFOJ.
 

*alongside TWATL, my favourite film title acronym… the prize of a thumbs up if you guess what it stands for.

[A Farewell to Kings 3,805]

21 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said:

There’s a BOTFOJ* boot which I believe has the full score and which doesn’t really offer anything revelatory

from the OST but the sound on both could do with an audible polish.
 

Also JFK although I don’t know how much is missing there and in need of an sonic upgrade even more than BOTFOJ.
 

*alongside TWATL, my favourite film title acronym… the prize of a thumbs up if you guess what it stands for.

Born on the Fourth of July and The Wind and the Lion?

[Tom Guernsey 1,765]

6 minutes ago, Clockwork Angel said:

Born on the Fourth of July and The Wind and the Lion?

You win the prize ;-)

[Richard Penna 2,639]

32 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said:

There’s a BOTFOJ* boot which I believe has the full score and which doesn’t really offer anything revelatory

from the OST but the sound on both could do with an audible polish

 

So this and The Terminal are about on par in terms of offering notable new material, you could say?

 

It could be argued that there are some Williams scores that don't actually need expanding in the usual sense, but would benefit from simply being presented in their proper order, remastered sound and any unreleased bits.

[JTWfan77 1,407]

12 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said:

There’s a BOTFOJ* boot which I believe has the full score and which doesn’t really offer anything revelatory

from the OST but the sound on both could do with an audible polish.

 

The additional tracks on that unmentionable most definitely need to be upgraded sonically.

[crocodile 7,111]

On 13/02/2023 at 10:09 PM, Tom Guernsey said:

There’s a BOTFOJ* boot which I believe has the full score and which doesn’t really offer anything revelatory

from the OST but the sound on both could do with an audible polish.
 

Also JFK although I don’t know how much is missing there and in need of an sonic upgrade even more than BOTFOJ.
 

*alongside TWATL, my favourite film title acronym… the prize of a thumbs up if you guess what it stands for.

Which reminds me of my favourite track title of all time...track 4 from Dario Marianelli's Atonement. Very clever. 😄

 

Karol

 

 

[Naïve Old Fart 8,015]

So, when's this Williams title coming, then?

[BrotherSound 1,989]

@Naïve Old Fart

 

[Jurassic Shark 9,819]

34 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

So, when's this Williams title coming, then?

 

31 December. 

[Yavar Moradi 1,827]

On 07/02/2023 at 7:33 AM, Jay said:

What bums me out more are the scores JW's done for which it seems the original scoring elements no longer exist on this earth.  Azkaban

 

Wait, what? Where did the LLL complete expansion come from? It boggles my mind if the most recent Williams Harry Potter score has elements missing...

 

Yavar

[Jurassic Shark 9,819]

Just watch the film.

[Jay 32,111]

2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

 

Wait, what? Where did the LLL complete expansion come from? It boggles my mind if the most recent Williams Harry Potter score has elements missing...

 

Yavar

 

The LLL album was sourced from the music editor's digital archive of 5.1 film mixes, which sound brilliant and have no issues.  But it doesn't contain every cue recorded for the project.

 

I couldn't tell you where the 1st gen analog tapes that captured every take of every cue ended up >shrug<

[Yavar Moradi 1,827]

So it’s complete in terms of what made it into the film, but not complete in terms of what was recorded for the film?

 

Yavar

[Edmilson 4,988]

This is what I understood. Besides the infamous Shawn cue, what is missing is actually early versions of takes that ultimately didn't make the final cut. Right?

[Jay 32,111]

56 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said:

So it’s complete in terms of what made it into the film, but not complete in terms of what was recorded for the film?

 

Yavar

 

40 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

This is what I understood. Besides the infamous Shawn cue, what is missing is actually early versions of takes that ultimately didn't make the final cut. Right?

 

 

 

On 05/02/2023 at 10:28 AM, Jay said:

 

 

There's 3 things you can hear in the film that are not on the set. 

 

3 very minor, very short things.

 

 

1st up is "Shawm", a source music cue you can hear from 0:00-1:06 in this video (the score cue it overlaps with, heard from 0:44-end of the video, IS on the set)

 

 

 

Next up is a very short drum & tambourine passage that I can't find on youtube, but it plays after the Buckbeak scene and before the ghost knights bust through the stained glass window

 

And finally is a difference performance of the "Sir Cadogan" cue, where it was played at a slower tempo and there was drum and tambourine playing along with it.  You can hear it from 0:00-0:19 of this video

 

 

 

 

And then there is one piece of music that appeared in DVD bonus features but not the OST, LLL, or the film itself:  The original version of "Marge Points The Finger", which got replaced by a revision in the film, and that revision is what's on the LLL set. 

 

The original version is heard from 1:20-1:28 of this video

 

 

 

 

That's literally it in terms what what we know was recorded.

 

 

 

As for what might have been recorded, but we have no evidence of?  Well, there are at least SEVENTEEN things found in the sheet music  that we don't have recordings of.

 

You can see them all listed out in my google doc, at the bottom of the "Complete Cue List" tab

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R7JM5QmRNh6PbgqeBH_lbj2C3WLbzxz9px3Z7GKLaAk/

 

You will also find links in that section to videos in which mockups of those exclusive sheet music passages are synced to film footage

 

On 05/02/2023 at 12:42 PM, Holko said:

There's also the extra piece of choir at the end of Apparition on the Train (might be synth from the editors), the film version descending harpsichord accent at the opening of Befriending the Hippogriff, the film mix opening of Time Past with the ticking starting later, extra strings and differently placed reverse overlay...

 

[Edmilson 4,988]

IMHO, the things that appear in the movie and not on OST/LLL are mostly minor stuff. Sure, if they appear someday so that an improved version of the album can be released, great. Otherwise, I'm honestly more interested in the seventeen things that aren't neither on the movie or the albums, but not exactly "losing my sleep" around it.

[JTWfan77 1,407]

Well we now know this isn't Sabrina. I'm hoping for The Patriot.

[crumbs 12,973]

6 hours ago, JTWfan77 said:

Well we now know this isn't Sabrina. I'm hoping for The Patriot.

 

Patriot or Nixon please! Mostly because the other labels can't touch those scores, only Intrada.

[May the Force be with You 2,032]

4 hours ago, crumbs said:

 

Patriot or Nixon please! Mostly because the other labels can't touch those scores, only Intrada.

A little Star Wars expansion per month wouldn't hurt either

[Luke Skywalker 1,511]

I suppose they wont announce it next week so we can pair it with sabrina…. 

[rough cut 1,470]

Yes please!

[Schilkeman 331]

On 7/2/2023 at 2:42 PM, King Mark said:

 Your officially the only JWfan that likes it that much!

I did an entire track by track listening analysis with my family on this score. It’s delightful, and I like just as much. I would love to be able to get a hold of the expansion for a reasonable amount of money.

[Sandor 681]

I'm still hoping for an expanded Born On The Fourth Of July release one day. 

[Incanus 5,589]

2 hours ago, Sandor said:

I'm still hoping for an expanded Born On The Fourth Of July release one day. 

I would love a release or releases of the whole John Williams/Oliver Stone "trilogy", Born on the Fourth of July, JFK and Nixon.

[Sandor 681]

14 minutes ago, Incanus said:

I would love a release or releases of the whole John Williams/Oliver Stone "trilogy", Born on the Fourth of July, JFK and Nixon.

 

Yes! Even better! 

[Luke Skywalker 1,511]

14 minutes ago, Incanus said:

I would love a release or releases of the whole John Williams/Oliver Stone "trilogy", Born on the Fourth of July, JFK and Nixon.

yes! That would be great to save on shipping! 3x1!

 

 

[Tom Guernsey 1,765]

34 minutes ago, Incanus said:

I would love a release or releases of the whole John Williams/Oliver Stone "trilogy", Born on the Fourth of July, JFK and Nixon.

I believe it's one of those "won't happen/studio bollocks reasons" situations but stranger things have happened... but it does seem like such an obvious set otherwise!

[Brundlefly 2,327]

8 hours ago, Incanus said:

I would love a release or releases of the whole John Williams/Oliver Stone "trilogy", Born on the Fourth of July, JFK and Nixon.

Any Stone/Williams release seems to be postponed forever...

[Bounty95 462]

Quote

our friend Mike Matessino buried in a couple of upcoming Intrada releases by some composer named John Williams

 

"a couple" 

 

https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/sc.13/category.60330/.f

[A Farewell to Kings 3,805]

May 4th SW releases confirmed!

 

 

 

JOKE.

[Brando 1,065]

21 minutes ago, Bounty95 said:

 

"a couple" 

 

https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/sc.13/category.60330/.f

[Bounty95 462]

The real question is: Does "a couple" strictly mean two? 

[Jay 32,111]

When has "a couple" ever meant anything besides "two"?

[Luke Skywalker 1,511]

Two boxsets! 😘

[Marian Schedenig 6,522]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

When has "a couple" ever meant anything besides "two"?

 

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/a-couple-of

 

Quote

a couple of
in American English
more than two, but not many, of; a small number of; a few
It will take a couple of days for the package to get there

 

[Edmilson 4,988]

T H E P A T R I O T

[Brando 1,065]

4 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/a-couple-of

 

 

That definition is strange cause that’s what “a few” is defined as

[pete 737]

2 hours ago, Brando said:

That definition is strange cause that’s what “a few” is defined as

 

I think it's used because there's uncertainty - the package will arrive in a couple of days, so it could be longer. As in "I'll be back in a couple of minutes" - it doesn't literally mean two minutes.

 

But yeah Doug would know exactly how many Williams releases Mike is working on for Intrada. So two for certain. He wouldn't say a couple if there were three. 

[Holko 8,228]

Or he said a couple because he means it as uncertain because he doesn't want to say. We know how often approvals and shit kill releases for not only months but years. That's how I took it at least.

[GerateWohl 2,871]

3 hours ago, pete said:

He wouldn't say a couple if there were three. 

Why is that? 

[pete 737]

2 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

Why is that? 

 

Just clear English. There's no reason to think a couple in this case means anything other than two. Mike's currently working on two Williams releases for Intrada. This is a hill I will die on!

[GerateWohl 2,871]

15 minutes ago, pete said:

 

Just clear English. There's no reason to think a couple in this case means anything other than two. Mike's currently working on two Williams releases for Intrada. This is a hill I will die on!

Interesting. In German it depends on how you spell it.

 

"ein Paar Dinge" means "one couple of things".

"ein paar Dinge" means "a few things".

Of course you don't hear it, if somebody just speaks it.

 

So that means, if someone says "This will happen in a couple of days." it means exactly "This will happen in two days." I didn't know that. Thank you.

 

[bollemanneke 2,937]

A couple definitely means two or more to me.