New Violin arrangement of Helena's Theme performed by Anne-Sophie Mutter recorded for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

[Jay 30918]

It was recorded Friday, February 10th: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cois1eFPJx-/

 

The arrangement was then performed live 4 days later in San Francisco at the 'John Williams with Anne-Sophie Mutter' concert on February 14th.

Concert report:

 

On 15/02/2023 at 1:04 AM, Alejandro said:

Violin arrangement of Helena’s Theme was performed tonight. Williams Finished recording Indy 5 (“felt like Indy 10”) last Friday. Last thing he recorded Friday was the violin solo version I think is what he said.

 

Video:

 

[bigjimwilson 135]

Brilliant. Can’t get enough of this theme already, and that’s just YouTube rips! Sounds like we’ll be spoilt for choice when it comes to release time 

[Smeltington 1066]

Wow! So they recorded it with the scoring sessions? Maybe a chance it could be on the OST? Either way, all his collaborations with Mutter have gotten plenty of exposure... can't wait to hear it!

[crumbs 12574]

Gosh I hope this arrangement doesn't replace the orchestral version on the OST... but including two versions seems almost wasteful when there's over 60 film cues to choose from.

 

I guess the orchestral version might end up exclusive to the end credits track.

 

Either way, there's gonna be a ton of unreleased film cues. 

[Richard Penna 2486]

If A.I. is anything to go by, ditching actual film tracks wouldn't take a second thought if either Williams or marketing people want ASM on the album.

 

The problem for the album will be if Williams wants an orchestral version, ASM version, a new March recording, and at least one other concert piece of some sort. That's probably at least 15 minutes gone right there, leaving an hour or so of score.

 

Plus, what if he has composed some massive 10 minute end credits cue as a 'sign off' from Indy?

 

It will all be nice from a concept, collector's perspective, but probably means a mountain of unreleased music.

[Jay 30918]

It would be nice if this becomes the first Williams score to get an 80-120 minutes OST album on digital platforms like other big blockbuster scores of the modern era do

[BB-8 1718]

It seems that ASM has unlimited cookies in store and has now achieved the ultimate goal...to be immortalized on a JW OST.

 

Wow!

[King Mark 3176]

if it's on the OST and takes the space of a "Raider's march" Reprise that's already included twice =Ok

If it's on the OST and takes the place of a film cue highlight=not Ok

 

K.M.,Who only likes a select few ASM arrangements. 

 

is it only me or the MB is really slow to load(replies...) in the last 2 days?

[JohnnyD 1107]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

It was recorded Friday, February 10th: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cois1eFPJx-/

 

The arrangement was then performed live 4 days later in San Francisco at the 'John Williams with Anne-Sophie Mutter' concert on February 14th.

Concert report:

 

 

Wow; that is phenomenal!

[Tom 3363]

To make Williams's Milan's comments consistent with Mangold's comments that nothing new was filmed, I wonder if the "new ending" was the end credits music with Mutter added in.  

[Richard Penna 2486]

Possibly, but you'd think Mangold would know if JW was recording a new piece for the credits, and he tweeted that he didn't know what JW was talking about.

[BrotherSound 1831]

Posted today on Instagram by Joann Kane Music Service:

 

https://www.instagram.com/stories/jkmsmusic/3038894250989983513/

 

[Jay 30918]

Nice!

 

[mrbellamy 5614]

3 hours ago, King Mark said:

is it only me or the MB is really slow to load(replies...) in the last 2 days?

 

Not just you 

[artguy360 1669]

That's awesome! This OST is going to be one for the ages!

[Brando 856]

Downloaded the San Francisco concert from FB: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F4Gllw5wmK8w1cH7x5czcOqDQKWq3gkg/view?usp=sharing

[pete 697]

Wow, Williams made quite a few changes from the original version!

 

I'm thinking the recording of the violin version might be for a seperate album and not specifically for the movie and soundtrack. I'm hoping for Across the Stars Vol. 2. At the end of the Superman recording sessions, Williams recorded The Fury album as he had finished recording Superman ahead of schedule and had sessions already booked. I'm kind of guessing this might be a similair situation. The version was written and ready and with Ann-Sophie being in town, perhaps Williams just took advantage of that to record the piece. Maybe!! Just my little conspiracy theory.

[Falstaft 1791]

43 minutes ago, Brando said:

Downloaded the San Francisco concert from FB: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F4Gllw5wmK8w1cH7x5czcOqDQKWq3gkg/view?usp=sharing

 

Magnificent, thank you @Brando! 

[Brando 856]

13 minutes ago, Falstaft said:

 

Magnificent, thank you @Brando! 

No problem! I saw this earlier today in an Indiana Jones FB group and I was like oh whatever, thats neat. Then tonight I got on here and realized no one else had video of it, luckily the post was still up. The little mention he makes of it feeling like 10 years is hilarious

[Edmilson 4472]

13 hours ago, crumbs said:

I guess the orchestral version might end up exclusive to the end credits track.

 

I think you're correct, the orchestral version will appear on the end credits and the violin arrangement as an OST-exclusive concert suite. It wouldn't make any sense to include two concert suites of the same theme.

[rough cut 1397]

Ol’ John is really going all in on creating as many new arrangements as possible for a wide as possible selection of his compositions… as a collector and (let’s face it) super-geek-for-all-things-JW it’s a bit exhausting.

 

I mean, “Helena’s Theme” isn’t even released yet and already there’s an alternative arrangement!

[crumbs 12574]

27 minutes ago, rough cut said:

I mean, “Helena’s Theme” isn’t even released yet and already there’s an alternative arrangement!

 

And he often revises these concert suites after the scoring sessions are finished, making the OST version unique. So we might yet hear a third version of her theme. 

 

It has me wondering if it's the only concert arrangement written for the film, considering it's the only one being performed. 

[mrbellamy 5614]

Well he wouldn't be performing it in the first place if Mangold hadn't suggested it. 

[p0llux 293]

holy...this arrangement is even more golden age sounding than the original!

[Cerebral Cortex 2842]

Good God, what? Williams is at the top of his game at 91, what the heck. This is incredible. I can't believe a massive film blockbuster in 2023 is gonna have writing like that. Nobody does shit like that anymore. Also, he looks so great in that pic! I swear that photo could have been 20 years ago.

 

 

Somebody tweeted Mangold a few months back about having Helena's theme released digitally as a single.

 

 

Wonder if the ASM track might be something that gets released a few weeks before the film's release to build up hype?

 

Never appreciated the colors of Anakin's theme that are in there:

 

 

 

[Jurassic Shark 9303]

14 hours ago, King Mark said:

is it only me or the MB is really slow to load(replies...) in the last 2 days?

 

I noticed it too yesterday.

[BB-8 1718]

15 hours ago, Jay said:

Nice!

 

 

Wait a sec, isn't that The Fabelmans backdrop?

 

[Jurassic Shark 9303]

3 minutes ago, BB-8 said:

Wait a sec, isn't that the The Fabelmans backdrop?

 

Fixed.

[BB-8 1718]

52 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Fixed.

DG edit: Isn't that backdrop of Fabelmans?

[BB-8 1718]

12 hours ago, Brando said:

Downloaded the San Francisco concert from FB: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F4Gllw5wmK8w1cH7x5czcOqDQKWq3gkg/view?usp=sharing

Is it confirmed that Marion's Theme is not quoted in this arrangement?

[Tydirium 840]

Are we even sure that's meant to be a quote of Marion's theme...?

[Marcus 388]

What I love about this new arrangement, is how the less-than-fully-formed variants of it make it clear that the theme actually contains a quite cleverly disguised hint of the Raiders march main theme. A nice and surprising touch! Love that he's having so much fun with this!

[Luke Skywalker 1429]

Now we know what they meant when they said that Mut(ter)-Williams whereabouts will be dealt in the film 😜

[Jay 30918]

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[Marian Schedenig 6213]

14 hours ago, pete said:

At the end of the Superman recording sessions, Williams recorded The Fury album as he had finished recording Superman ahead of schedule and had sessions already booked.

 

That's an old rumour, and I just reiterated it to a friend the other week myself, but he pointed out that it can't be true: Superman wasn't recorded until July 1978, but The Fury's album sessions took place in February - several months before Superman.

[GerateWohl 2473]

17 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

That's an old rumour, and I just reiterated it to a friend the other week myself, but he pointed out that it can't be true: Superman wasn't recorded until July 1978, but The Fury's album sessions took place in February - several months before Superman.

Maybe it was the other way around. They planned to record Superman earlier, but the score was not ready, but recording prepared and orchestra booked, so they recorded The Fury instead, which was ready at that time and booked another recording for Superman later?

That could still mean The Fury being recorded at sessions originally planned for Superman.

But that's just wild guessing.

[pete 697]

18 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

That's an old rumour, and I just reiterated it to a friend the other week myself, but he pointed out that it can't be true: Superman wasn't recorded until July 1978, but The Fury's album sessions took place in February - several months before Superman.

I thought that was in the original liner notes? Mmm. Interesting. Or maybe I read it somewhere else. Not sure if I have the original liner notes at home 

[Marian Schedenig 6213]

17 minutes ago, pete said:

I thought that was in the original liner notes? Mmm. Interesting. Or maybe I read it somewhere else. Not sure if I have the original liner notes at home 

 

I remember reading about it years ago, long before the most recent score release, but apparently it's repeated in that booklet as well, with a semi-quote by Williams that (depending on what he actually said) leaves some room for interpretation.

 

1 hour ago, GerateWohl said:

Maybe it was the other way around. They planned to record Superman earlier, but the score was not ready, but recording prepared and orchestra booked, so they recorded The Fury instead, which was ready at that time and booked another recording for Superman later?

 

That was kind of my idea: I doubt Williams was looking to record Superman that early (though I don't know the detailed history of that score), but perhaps he was inquiring about the LSO's activity early and they offered him a time slot where he knew the score wouldn't be ready, so he took the opportunity to re-record The Fury instead.

[Jay 30918]

I just grabbed my specialty label versions of The Fury, Jaws 2, and Superman off the shelf.  These are the dates they list

 

January 16,17,18 1978 - The Fury film tracks @ 20th Century Fox Scoring Stage

February 9,10 1978 - The Fury album tracks @ All Saints, Tooting, London

May 1,3,4,5 1978  - Jaws 2 @ 20th Century Fox Studios

July 6,7,10,11,13,14 - Superman @ Anvil Film and Recording Group, Inc, Denham, Middlesex, Bucks

September 9,10,11 - Superman @ Anvil Film and Recording Group, Inc, Denham, Middlesex, Bucks

October 6,15,24,31 - Superman @ Anvil Film and Recording Group, Inc, Denham, Middlesex, Bucks

November 4 - Superman @ Anvil Film and Recording Group, Inc, Denham, Middlesex, Bucks

 

The Fury LLL booklet also contains this story:

 

The Fury features two discs: first the music as recorded for the film at Twentieth Century Fox, and the second a remastering of the 1978 album, re-recorded in London with Williams at the podium, conducting the London Symphony Orchestra.  The latter came about, as Williams would say, by "a fortuitous accident": he was in London preparing to record the score for Superman. "We were able," he would remember, "to get the LSO for two days, so we did the score in Tooting (South London)."  Williams took a more symphonic approach for this recording, combining several cues and adding a decidedly Hermann-esque string-only "Epilogue." Both incarnations confirm The Fury as one of Williams' most titanic achievements: a score that stands, all on its own, for the ages.

 

The liner notes in the LLL Superman booklet, meanwhile incidate:

1. Williams signed on to score the film in August 1977
2. While in London in February 1978, he conducted a concert with the LSO at Royal Albert Hall on February 16, and Donner attended
3. Williams saw a rough cut of the film for the first time in early March 1978 at Pinewood Studios
4. He spotted the film with music editor Bob Hathaway in early May 1978
5. He composed the first 16 cues between May 27 and June 20 1978. and starting recording those on July 6

 

So there you go.  He hadn't even seen Superman yet when The Fury album was recorded, and wouldn't begin composing Superman until 3 months later...... but he WAS in London because of Superman when The Fury album was recorded.... just for prep, not intending to record.

[Marian Schedenig 6213]

So he was in very rough preparations for Superman - insofar as he had signed on and met Donner at the LSO concert. But I guess the real opportunity for the The Fury sessions was the concert.

[pete 697]

My whole world has just been turned upside down! How did I misinterpret that?

[Jay 30918]

It's interesting too that he wrote and recorded The Fury and Jaws 2 after signing on to score Superman, before beginning writing Superman.

 

I wonder how often in his career was he is booked 3+ scores out like that.  Probably a huge chunk of it!

[Marian Schedenig 6213]

4 minutes ago, pete said:

My whole world has just been turned upside down! How did I misinterpret that?

 

Well, it does say:

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The latter came about, as Williams would say, by "a fortuitous accident": he was in London preparing to record the score for Superman.

 

And the claim that the album was recorded during the Superman sessions goes much farther back. I probably read it around the time I first heard the score, in the early 2000s. The above quote is phrased vaguely, and I guess somebody repeated it in an even more ambiguous manner and somebody else misunderstood etc.

 

As Terry Pratchett wrote:

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Rumour is information distilled so finely that it can filter through anything.

 

[Garrett 34]

Why is no one talking about the Raiders March quote from 6:50 - 6:53? The first 4 notes are distinctly heard.

 

Maybe we'll hear this quote again at the very end of the Indy 5 end credits?

[pete 697]

13 minutes ago, Garrett said:

Why is no one talking about the Raiders March quote from 6:50 - 6:53? The first 4 notes are distinctly heard.

 

The harp? I'm not hearing anything from Raiders March? 

[Garrett 34]

14 hours ago, pete said:

 

The harp? I'm not hearing anything from Raiders March? 

Yes, the harp. The harp plays the first four notes of Indy's theme, and then two more extraneous notes.

 

After 6:50 we hear the notes G, Ab, Bb, and Eb; then Bb and Eb an octave higher.

 

G, Ab, Bb, Eb are the first four notes of the Raiders March in the key of Eb major. 

[pete 697]

Thanks.. I would never have noticed - I had also been listening for the rhythm of the march's first few notes. I still don't quite hear it, but that's my ears. 

[Garrett 34]

23 minutes ago, pete said:

Thanks.. I would never have noticed - I had also been listening for the rhythm of the march's first few notes. I still don't quite hear it, but that's my ears. 

Yeah, the usual rhythm of the Raiders March isn't there. I'm just talking about the pitch of the notes.