First Indiana Jones 5 clip with Williams' score debuts at Star Wars celebration

[Jay 33,670]

https://gizmodo.com/indiana-jones-5-chase-scene-dial-of-destiny-harrison-fo-1850311616

 

https://www.slashfilm.com/1251418/indiana-jones-dial-of-destiny-footage/

 

 

[Taikomochi 1,018]

Pretty much inaudible in the clip lol, but consistent with his other recent action music as far as I can tell 🤷‍♀️ 

[Bellosh 2,686]

My same post from the Indy 5 thread:

 

2:28-2:36 sounds EXACTLY like a cue from KOTCS. Like exact. Can't think of the cue off the top of my head.

[King Mark 3,411]

I love the inaudible music mix. 

 

K.M. Who decided it wasn't worth watching all of it to avoid spoilers

[Jay 33,670]

It's just a car chase, doesn't really spoil anything

[King Mark 3,411]

yeah but it's still a pretty long scene

 

And I'm kind of worried this is indicative of the actual mix in theater. Sounds like "The Speeder Chase" film mix.

[SilasGupta 8]

2 hours ago, Bellosh said:

2:28 to 2:36 of that clip that cerebral cortex shared sounds EXACTLY like KOTCS. What cue is that from in crystal skull?????

 

 

That's 2m8b The Rocket Sled.

[Bellosh 2,686]

Just now, SilasGupta said:

 

That's 2m8b The Rocket Sled.

 

Yes!!! That's it!!

[Taikomochi 1,018]

I wouldn’t make an inferences from a handheld phone video from months before the movie comes out

[Jay 33,670]

Well I'm sure the clip played had the film's final mix, but year, you can't tell anything about it from some dude holding up a cellphone and capturing the room audio, especially when he's trying not to get caught

[King Mark 3,411]

yes, but were hearing the sound effects loud and clear. there's no reason the microphone would record the music lower

[Jay 33,670]

[Manakin Skywalker 4,380]

6m44 Ugha Warriors is also used in the scene (thanks to @LB Makes Stuff for pointing that out to me)

[Alex 2,694]

I’m just disappointed that Scherzo for Tuk Tuk and Orchestra will apparently not be a thing.

[King Mark 3,411]

6 hours ago, SilasGupta said:

 

That's 2m8b The Rocket Sled.

 

I hope they  didn't do like Speeder Chase and ditch Williams original track and replaced it with tracked music

[Jay 33,670]

As long as we get what Williams wrote on the album I don't care what gets changee for the film

[Manakin Skywalker 4,380]

1 hour ago, King Mark said:

I hope they  didn't do like Speeder Chase and ditch Williams original track and replaced it with tracked music

 

It all seems to have been re-recorded/re-arranged. It's most likely a KOTCS situation.

[Garrett 138]

Here are the timestamps:
 

6M3: Fast Streets of Tangiers

 

0:51-1:03 - Helena’s theme

1:11-1:12 - Voller’s theme?

1:58-1:59 - Helena’s theme

2:24-2:40 - Warehouse escape quote

2:43-2:51 - Indy’s A theme

2:59-3:01 - Escape from Venice quote

3:08-3:23 - Helena’s theme

3:50-3:52 - Whirl through the Acadame quote

3:57-3:59 - Voller’s theme

4:04-4:09 - Warehouse escape quote

4:18-4:24 - Escape from Venice quote

4:47-4:49 - Voller’s theme

4:58-4:59 - Helena’s theme

4:16-4:24 - Voller’s theme

5:26-5:28 - Indy’s A theme

5:34-5:40 - Ugha Warriors quote

6:00-6:12 - Indy’s B theme

[crumbs 13,540]

10 hours ago, King Mark said:

yes, but were hearing the sound effects loud and clear. there's no reason the microphone would record the music lower

 

Well except the two exist on a different register and crappy phone microphones (probably being held against someone's clothes) have a bias towards the register of loud crashing metal over symphonic music.

 

If you played Beethoven's 5th symphony on speakers next to a freeway then recorded it with a phone inside your pocket, how clear do you think the music would sound?

[Jay 33,670]

Exactly. 

[Garrett 138]

Here are the timestamps:
 

6M3: Fast Streets of Tangiers

 

0:51-1:03 - Helena’s theme

1:11-1:12 - Voller’s theme?

1:58-1:59 - Helena’s theme

2:24-2:40 - Warehouse Escape quote

2:43-2:51 - Indy’s A theme

2:59-3:01 - Escape from Venice quote

3:08-3:23 - Helena’s theme

3:50-3:52 - Whirl through the Acadame quote

3:57-3:59 - Voller’s theme

4:04-4:09 - Warehouse Escape quote

4:18-4:24 - Escape from Venice quote

4:47-4:49 - Voller’s theme

4:58-4:59 - Helena’s theme

4:16-4:24 - Voller’s theme

5:26-5:28 - Indy’s A theme

5:34-5:40 - Ugha Warriors quote

6:00-6:12 - Indy’s B theme

[Jilal 548]

On 07/04/2023 at 8:04 PM, Bellosh said:

28-2:36 sounds EXACTLY like a cue from KOTCS. Like exact. Can't think of the cue off the top of my head.

 

Sounds ... tracked? 

 

It's from a cue for the warehouse escape scene, A Ride Down Ben Burtt Avenue or something along those lines.

 

EDIT: boulevard, not avenue.

[Bellosh 2,686]

21 minutes ago, Jilal said:

 

Sounds ... tracked? 

 

 

edit: im dumb

[Jilal 548]

10 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

 

shut up

 

no shit sounds are tracked.

 

but god forbid people mention something sounds exactly like a cue from a movie that most people, including the people making the movie, want to forget about. also....had no idea KOTCS created a chase leitmotif.

 

but thanks for your expertise, dork.

 

I hope this is some kind of sarcasm which is simply beyond my level of comprehension.

 

If so, it's in really bad taste.

[Bellosh 2,686]

did you mean sounds as in sounds as you can hear it or sounds as in sound + track?

 

if so i completely apologize.

 

i completely read it as a sarcastic comment. emoji prob didnt help either for my brain. breaking down the word sound track to me.

 

nevermind.

[Jilal 548]

I might have to stop using an ellipsis to mark a pause, it ... seems to be confusing people.

 

See what I did there?

[Bellosh 2,686]

@Jilal geniunely sorry 

 

i only hope you can see where i was coming from so you dont think of me as a complete fool, and only 90% a fool

[Jilal 548]

6 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

if so i completely apologize.

 

[Presto 4,255]

3 minutes ago, Jilal said:

I might have to stop using an ellipsis to mark a pause, it ... seems to be confusing people.

 

See what I did there?

Probably because usually when I have seen ellipsis used, it is used without the first gap like.... this, ya know

[Bellosh 2,686]

its okay, i type like i talk at times too, and it can come off weird.

 

admitting i'm wrong is way easier in real life than a message board holy shit. i feel like a fool right now.

 

anyways....

 

does this mean JW is essentially a huge fan of his KOTCS work to include this in DoD?

[Jilal 548]

43 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

@Jilal geniunely sorry 

 

i only hope you can see where i was coming from so you dont think of me as a complete fool, and only 90% a fool

 

It's okay. Mistakes like this happen all the time, especially online where it can be a little hard sometimes to really get what someone is trying to say. The ellipsis was confusing and a poor typographical choice on my part, so I see why you interpreted it the way you did. 

 

I've made similar mistakes in the past. Fact is, things aren't always the way they seem to be. If you're unsure about the exact meaning of something which someone typed (or said), or the intentions behind it, it's always better to remain calm and maybe ask that person for a bit of clarification instead of directly lashing out. This is just my two cents, and I'm not even sure I'm able to fully live up to this myself. At the very least, this avoids unnecessary altercations.

 

37 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

does this mean JW is essentially a huge fan of his KOTCS work to include this in DoD?

 

I have a hunch the decision to track this bit was made by a sound editor, or perhaps someone "higher up" like Mangold himself. I don't think Williams would feel comfortable tracking a bit from a previous score. (Save perhaps Duel of the Fates in ROTS.)

 

41 minutes ago, A Farewell to Kings said:

Probably because usually when I have seen ellipsis used, it is used without the first gap like.... this, ya know

 

Many style guides do recommend that an ellipsis be preceded and followed by single spaces. You're definitely right though, people don't seem to do that in non-formal writing. Only "dorks" like me, eh. 

 

37 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

admitting i'm wrong is way easier in real life than a message board holy shit. i feel like a fool right now.

 

And don't you worry, your actions (or mistakes) don't define who you are as a person!

[Bellosh 2,686]

@Jilal haha appreciate it. all good points.

 

jwfan is currently the only place on the internet i choose to have a dialogue with internet strangers.  for obvious reasons beyond talking to other JW fans, the rude, anonymous jerks you tend to get on twitter, reddit, ect, have a small small place here.

 

but i myself have become jaded to those types.  so if i feel there is one here, i'm not too hesitant to just fire it back. i have no place for those types in any area of my brain anymore.  so i guess if i see any slice of it here out of all places, i'm more prone to just wanna tell them to shut up and be lighthearted with any of my comments back.  this again is all moot, since you're so far removed from those types of online personalities, that I almost feel foolish (theres that word again) typing this all out.  but alas....

 

anyways, back on topic...

[Jay 33,670]

[Jilal 548]

I can hear bits from TLC's Escape from Venice later in the scene as well!

 

Timestamps: 2:57-3:05, 3:39-3:42, 4:18-4:24

 

I'd say they're tracked, but it's difficult to tell given that the music is barely audible here.

[Alex 2,694]

One of the quote of Escape from Venice sounds like it seemlessly moves into Helena´s Theme, but obviously the audio makes it hard to know for sure.

[BB-8 2,605]

Wonderful action and also commedy scenes.

[Richard Penna 2,951]

Just watched it and the music does not come across clearly enough to judge it fairly imo. What I did hear was a lot of Williams' typical rushing strings and xylophones, but this sequence does have a lot more dialogue than for example Scherzo or Venice.

[Brónach 1,204]

49 minutes ago, BB-8 said:

Wonderful action and also commedy scenes.

 

perhaps i didn't get it but there were those like four sides at play in the same set piece lmao?