Sabrina 2 CD from La-La Land Records (2023)

[Naïve Old Fart 9,527]

30 minutes ago, Bayesian said:

 It's like JW is the ChatGPT of music, able to give you a perfect (or near-perfect) example of anything you ask for.

 

Wash your mouth out, young man!!!

[QuartalHarmony 543]

5 hours ago, Bayesian said:

It would be fun to compile a list of, I dunno, call it "quirkiest" cues in JW's oeuvre.

 

Indeed - can I put in a shout for Jabba's Baroque Recital?

I also think Cantina Band #2 is underrated, and deserves a much more interesting title!

 

Mark

[Bryant Burnette 654]

2 minutes ago, QuartalHarmony said:

 

Indeed - can I put in a shout for Jabba's Baroque Recital?

I also think Cantina Band #2 is underrated, and deserves a much more interesting title!

 

Mark

 

I keep hoping we'll someday discover that Williams wrote and recorded an entire Modal Nodes album during the Star Wars sessions.  I'd eat that up.

[ThePenitentMan1 743]

5 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said:

I also think Cantina Band #2 is underrated, and deserves a much more interesting title!

 

Dune Sea Special.

[Quppa 117]

Shipping costs to Australia for anyone who cares (prices in USD):

• Screen Archives: $16 (with a big red warning that lost or stolen packages won't be replaced, or $48 for tracked express shipping)
• The MovieMusic Store: $18
• Intrada: $20
• La-La Land Records: $21.80

The terrible exchange rate is making this an even more expensive hobby than usual, but at least this time the shipping only costs about half of the actual product.

[stravinsky 206]

Can I ask if the last 10 Tracks on Disc 1 are genuinely comprised of alternate (different) music, or just different takes of the same cues? 

[Dr. Know 326]

Out for delivery!!

[BB-8 3,477]

[QuartalHarmony 543]

5 hours ago, Quppa said:

Shipping costs to Australia for anyone who cares (prices in USD):

• Screen Archives: $16 (with a big red warning that lost or stolen packages won't be replaced, or $48 for tracked express shipping)
• The MovieMusic Store: $18
• Intrada: $20
• La-La Land Records: $21.80

The terrible exchange rates is making this an even more expensive hobby than usual, but at least this time the shipping only costs about half of the actual product.

Not much better to the UK.
 

A relative of mine lives in the US and comes to the UK every so often. I keep buying him presents from US companies before remembering that I have a CD player and like JW but he doesn’t. Silly me. He opens the packages when they arrive at his house and then kindly gifts them to me the next time he visits, since I’ll appreciate them more than him.

 

Or something like that.

[Jurassic Shark 12,074]

36 minutes ago, QuartalHarmony said:

Or something like that.

 

It's complicated. 

[Brundlefly 2,385]

23 hours ago, Tallguy said:

I generally don't like samples. Sometimes I'll listen to know if one of my favorite bits is on a new track but with the score to Sabrina I don't have any favorite bits.

Anakin: "I don't like samples. They're short and brief and arbitrary and they are all over the place."

[Jay 37,359]

Mike Matessino:

 

Among many fine creative choices the producers made with this album: there is a pop-style Williams cue called "Learning The Ropes" that underscores a comic photo shoot gone wrong. Think "Training Montage" from Spacecamp. The new soundtrack assembly uses an alternate for that cue that fits in better with the score and moves the pop film version to the alternates at the end of disc one. Good call.

 

Not an alternate, but the orchestral component only without the synthesizer.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

I can live with that

[crlbrg 381]

Cover of the 2nd disc!

[Jay 37,359]

Source?

[Bellosh 3,418]

there was an email sent out by LLL

 

 

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

Called it.

[Jay 37,359]

29 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

there was an email sent out by LLL

 

Ah yes, I got that email!  It didn't get auto-forwarded so I didn't see it right away, but just found it in my proper account

[lairdo 726]

Woohoo. Despite my tracker saying the package was out for delivery by USPS, the disc was sitting in the mailbox!

 

Amazingly, no cracks on the case and the CDs are still attached to the tray! Now to listen!

 

 

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

I wish my copy would hurry up and leave California.

[Dr. Rick 1,157]

Mine arrived in Austin today should get it tomorrow 

[Bryant Burnette 654]

Got mine today, along with 12 discs worth of Mark Snow.

[filmmusic 1,828]

1 hour ago, Bryant Burnette said:

Got mine today, along with 12 discs worth of Mark Snow.

That was fast! I envy you!

Can you tell me please if there is a track by track analysis in the liner notes?

Although I'm not hopeful. I think labels have abandoned lately this kind of analysis.

[Amer 2,107]

Its probably the essay type with film analysis followed by music discussion.  I miss the liner notes but nowadays that's considered as too fanboy nerd thing...

[Andy 4,127]

I really appreciated the ones for Amistad. Jeff Bond’s more holistic approach and then Jay and Mike Matessino detailing the bonus tracks.  

[Bryant Burnette 654]

11 hours ago, filmmusic said:

That was fast! I envy you!

Can you tell me please if there is a track by track analysis in the liner notes?

Although I'm not hopeful. I think labels have abandoned lately this kind of analysis.

 

Nope, no track-by-track.  In fact, it's not terribly focused on the music at all; it's more about the development of the movie.

[MrJosh 892]

I just read through the liner notes on my copy, which arrived today. Even though, as mentioned above, its main focus isn't on the music itself, the notes are so well written and it's all very interesting! Mike really knows how to write great liner notes! He paints a really clear picture of what was happening at this point in Williams' career, a really cool connection between Williams and Audrey Hepburn that I didn't know about, and some really cool info about both the original film and this one. 

 

I hope to listen to the music soon!

 

 

[Bryant Burnette 654]

I love the whole thing, but man, I really dig that second disc.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Is the film version of the moonlight song not by sting there?

 

 

[Jay 37,359]

On 03/05/2023 at 5:48 PM, Jay said:

 

I found the scene that uses the Dees-sung version on youtube:

 

 

 

And noticed that the music behind his singing sounds like the "Moonlight Party Instrumental #3" sample from LLL's website

 

https://lalalandrecords.com/sabrina-expanded-limited-edition-2-cd-set/

 

https://johndadlez.com/MP3/Sabrina/02_21_ITM_PI3.mp3

 

[Jay 37,359]

Mike posted on FSM why the Dees vocals are not on the expansion:

 

Note that the contract for Mr. Summer, CBE was very clear that no one else singing "Moonlight" could be included on an original Sabrina soundtrack.

 

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=151015&forumID=1&archive=0

[pete 907]

Sumner. 

[Faleel 5,347]

Dumbner.

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

I had a brief exchange with Mike Matessino today over in the FSM thread for this release and thought it might be of vague interest to some here.

 

I posted:

 

So the Michael Dees version of Moonlight can't be on a Sabrina album, but could theoretically be included on some other John Williams related album or compilation? I wonder if the same might be possible for the unreleased source cues from Jaws 2 or Schindler's List for example or if John would veto their release? If it's just about releasing them in the right kind of presentation, I'm sure there's more than enough other odds and ends from the different eras of John's career to make some fascinating rarities albums.

 

Mike responds:

 

Paramount would still want to get Sting's permission even if they wanted to release the song as a digital single. But Dees would have to be paid because he did not grant phonographic rights to his recording. He would have to give permission and would also have the right to negotiate his compensation.

As for "odds and ends" Williams recordings for other movies, there are all sorts of issues. For starters you're correct that if something was vetoed from being part of an expanded soundtrack, it's unlikely that it would be approved for a separate compilation.

[Romão 2,274]

This has probably been asked and noticed before, but I've just wached the movie for the first time, and if Linus takes Sabrina to Martha's Vineyard Island, why is the track called Nantucket Visit? They're completely different islands

[Naïve Old Fart 9,527]

6 hours ago, Romão said:

...why is the track called Nantucket Visit? They're completely different islands

 

I know a poem about that. It starts:

"There was a young man from Nantucket..."

...and that's all that's repeatable.

[Jay 37,359]

12 hours ago, Romão said:

This has probably been asked and noticed before,

 

Oooh ooh, I did, I did!

 

On 02/05/2023 at 11:47 AM, Jay said:

BTW, about this track title: Am I crazy, or do they not even go to Nantucket in the film?  They go to Martha's Vineyard, right?

 

 

12 hours ago, Romão said:

but I've just wached the movie for the first time, and if Linus takes Sabrina to Martha's Vineyard Island, why is the track called Nantucket Visit? They're completely different islands

 

Nobody answered me, either.

 

I guess we must assume that Williams just screwed up when coming up with album names for the OST?  He clearly used "Vineyard" in a cue title, per the new LLL track list (which loses the "Nantucket" name)

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

The filming location is marthas vineyard or nantuket?

[Jay 37,359]

IMDB says Martha's Vineyard

[Tom Guernsey 2,284]

I thought it was all shot on location on Amity... which, as you know, means friendship.

[Faleel 5,347]

Just received my copy!

[BrotherSound 2,242]

Just got mine delivered. Jim Titus never disappoints!

 

 

 

 

 

[GerateWohl 4,365]

And the music? 

 

[rough cut 1,714]

Who cares!

 

Didn’t you see disc 2? It totally matches the downloadable cover art in the newsletter!

[BrotherSound 2,242]

1 hour ago, GerateWohl said:

And the music? 

I just got through the main program: it’s unlikely to change the mind of anyone that didn’t already enjoy OST, but for anyone that did, it’s nicely fleshed out, with plenty of lovely moments that didn’t make the original album.

 

Now on to the alternates and disc 2!

[GerateWohl 4,365]

16 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

I just got through the main program: it’s unlikely to change the mind of anyone that didn’t already enjoy OST, but for anyone that did, it’s nicely fleshed out, with plenty of lovely moments that didn’t make the original album.

That sounds good. I am meanwhile afraid, that these complete releases sound a little redundant. But still I am looking forward to this one.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

Worth noting that the End Credits track has additional instrumentation along with the solo piano not found in the Theme from Sabrina tracks, which adds some nice variety.

[filmmusic 1,828]

7 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

Worth noting that the End Credits track has additional instrumentation along with the solo piano not found in the Theme from Sabrina tracks, which adds some nice variety.

It's the same with the sheet music, isn't it?

 

By the way, OMG!

Musicboxrecords price:

38,95 euros + 17euros (shipping!!!!) = 55,95 total!!!

 

I wonder if I pay less (with customs included) if I order from LLL....

edit: $50.48 total (and who knows what I'll pay at customs. I guess it's the same, or maybe more expensive if I order direct from LLL)

[BrotherSound 2,242]

50 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

It's the same with the sheet music, isn't it?

Right, though I wasn’t sure if it was recorded in that form. I guess if I’d watched the film I’d already know! Update: no, the film doesn’t use this version.

 

@Jay Is the main program End Credits the same as the actual film version?

[filmmusic 1,828]

7 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

 Is the main program End Credits the same as the actual film version?

I don't think so.

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