Edmilson 7,262 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 I hope the two of them are in the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Garrett 142 Posted May 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2023 23 hours ago, Garrett said: From r/Indiana jones leaks: “If I remeber correctly there are 2 travel map scenes. Of course with a beautiful John Williams score playing ” Posted by u/LunekJones Update: we now have more info about the map scenes from the same source… Spoiler The first map scene will involve Helena and Indy traveling on separate planes to Morocco. We’ll start the scene from Helena’s perspective, then continue with Indy on his plane studying letters from his late colleague Basil regarding the Dial. The second map scene will involve Indy, Helena, and Teddy traveling by boat to Sicily. Therefore, Indy’s theme, Helena’s theme, and the Dial motif are fair game for the first sequence. Indy’s theme and Helena’s theme are fair game for the second sequence. Cerebral Cortex, Amer and Brando 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 685 Posted May 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2023 On 20/05/2023 at 2:22 AM, Tom said: I think the last 24 hours have adjusted my expectations (which were always going to be unreasonably high) about both the film and score. However, I think that is a good thing. I was really hoping for a throwback patriotic parade piece, but that seems unlikely. I like Helena's theme but am not blown away by it (I liked Fabelmans much better). Not sure what my point is, but there you go. For everyone's enjoyment: I don't even want to watch this full review (he didn't watch any other indy film than Raiders) but screw what he says about the score. It's the typical thing an unmusical person who wants to hate the movie beforehand would say about the score. 'John Williams score is... whatever'. And then ranting about his Oscar nominations. Shut up, the Sequel Trilogy brought me 5 years of joy. Manakin Skywalker, Cerebral Cortex, A. A. Ron and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,126 Posted May 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2023 On principle, I never watch YouTube videos where the thumbnail has the youtuber making some stupid ass face like that. That’s how you identify people who just make contrarian opinions for clicks, and they shouldn’t be rewarded. It hasn’t steered me wrong thus far. Doug Adams, Manakin Skywalker, crumbs and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,610 Posted May 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2023 Keep in mind, I posted it just to show how stupid he is. Bellosh, That_Bloke, Edmilson and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,126 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Oh sure, I figured you weren’t endorsing it. I always just chuckle at how easy it is to identify those vids by the thumbnail Bellosh and Remco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,032 Posted May 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2023 This is all set to what is said to be John Williams’ final score before retirement, which frankly stands as one of the most elating scores of his late career. https://discussingfilm.net/2023/05/20/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-review-harrison-fords-swan-song/ Taikomochi, Jilal, Cerebral Cortex and 5 others 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,262 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Tom said: Keep in mind, I posted it just to show how stupid he is. The guy haven't watched other Indy films besides Raiders and this one and thinks a JW score is "whatever", so yeah... he's pretty stupid. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,850 Posted May 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2023 "I've only ever seen the first movie" ... "This one didn't live up to the expectations of the franchise" And how the hell would you know that? That_Bloke, Cerebral Cortex, MrJosh and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 887 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 3 hours ago, DangerMotif said: This is all set to what is said to be John Williams’ final score before retirement, which frankly stands as one of the most elating scores of his late career. https://discussingfilm.net/2023/05/20/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-review-harrison-fords-swan-song/ It just struck me I don't recall coming across the adjective "elating" before. The related "ed" form: "Elated" yes, and I'm sure I'll be elated by the score. I like it when writers use less common but not totally obscure words! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted May 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2023 I don't really care about some YouTuber giving it a negative review. Kids say stupid shit A. A. Ron, That_Bloke and MrJosh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB Makes Stuff 240 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 12 hours ago, Remco said: I don't even want to watch this full review (he didn't watch any other indy film than Raiders) but screw what he says about the score. It's the typical thing an unmusical person who wants to hate the movie beforehand would say about the score. 'John Williams score is... whatever'. He said the same thing about Fabelmans if I remember correctly. I’ve seen several videos by him, and his personality is awful and smug. Always trying to sound smart, but failing miserably because he only believes in arthouse films. That_Bloke and Remco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 400 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 23 hours ago, Taikomochi said: On principle, I never watch YouTube videos where the thumbnail has the youtuber making some stupid ass face like that. That’s how you identify people who just make contrarian opinions for clicks, and they shouldn’t be rewarded. It hasn’t steered me wrong thus far. If you never watch videos with thumbnails with stupid faces, how do you know it's just contrarian opinions for clicks? You are aware that being a Youtuber is pretty hard as far as getting views is concerned, especially if the algorithm is against you if you make content that is, let's just say contrarian? I will never understand how some people just cannot accept the idea that people can have wildly different opinions on something, so it must be "just to be contrarian". Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,317 Posted May 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2023 56 minutes ago, TolkienSS said: If you never watch videos with thumbnails with stupid faces, how do you know it's just contrarian opinions for clicks? Are you.....serious? I mean i know you've regurgitated a few opinions by those 'Impact Font/Dumb Face Thumbnail' youtube videos in the Indy threads here.... so maybe you are serious. Those types of videos/thumbnails attract fools Taikomochi, Bounty95, Brando and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,262 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 The average JWFaner doesn't watch reviews on YouTube but rather reads them in the newspaper. "Only serious critics whose reviews are worth reading!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,317 Posted May 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2023 I'll take those hypothetical newspaper reviews over some doofus with a dumb fucking face in a thumbnail with a shitty yellow font every day of the week They've all lost the benefit of the doubt due to the ones that act in bad faith. MaxTheHouseelf, HunterTech, Brando and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,126 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 90% of YouTube reviewers are ragebait. No thanks Bellosh and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,714 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 5 hours ago, Edmilson said: The average JWFaner doesn't watch reviews on YouTube but rather reads them in the newspaper. "Only serious critics whose reviews are worth reading!" Sure we do. That’s why there’s a whole Red Letter Media thread. It’s just them though. The other reviewers being discussed in this thread are obvious garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,262 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, A. A. Ron said: Sure we do. That’s why there’s a whole Red Letter Media thread. It’s just them though. The other reviewers being discussed in this thread are obvious garbage. See, that's the problem. Sure, there are some stupid clickbait channels who produce cheap but shocking content in pursuit of an audience. They excel in clickbait titles for their videos and stupid thumbnails and mostly yell about hating a movie during 15 minutes. A lot of those became famous in the aftermath of The Last Jedi. Who can't forget the thousands of stupid "tHe LaSt JeDi iS tHe WoRsT pIeCe oF GaRbAge EvEr!" rants? But it's also not cool to generalize and pretend everything is garbage. There are some genuinely great reviewers on YouTube who produce quality and well-researched content. Others aren't exactly the new Roger Ebert but their reviews are so entertaining that you can't help but have fun. It's channels like Saberspark, Godzilla Mendonza, Cosmonaut Variety Hour, etc. I'm the last person to defend YouTube and I recognize 95% of that website is trash. Still, there are a lot of other great content. You just have to know where to look MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,317 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Edmilson said: See, that's the problem. Sure, there are some stupid clickbait channels who produce cheap but shocking content in pursuit of an audience. They excel in clickbait titles for their videos and stupid thumbnails and mostly yell about hating a movie during 15 minutes. A lot of those became famous in the aftermath of The Last Jedi. Who can't forget the thousands of stupid "tHe LaSt JeDi iS tHe WoRsT pIeCe oF GaRbAge EvEr!" rants? But it's also not cool to generalize and pretend everything is garbage. There are some genuinely great reviewers on YouTube who produce quality and well-researched content. Others aren't exactly the new Roger Ebert but their reviews are so entertaining that you can't help but have fun. It's channels like Saberspark, Godzilla Mendonza, Cosmonaut Variety Hour, etc. I'm the last person to defend YouTube and I recognize 95% of that website is trash. Still, there are a lot of other great content. You just have to know where to look I think it's more or less the type of thumbnail we're judging. But to your point, take Chris Stuckmann. He does those dopey thumbnails. And I will admit he's not toxic and a genuinely fair, respectful reviewer with decent points. But his reviews are always incredibly surface level with really nothing deeper than a mild opinion. But we're mostly all shitting on the stereotypical thumbnail. Taikomochi and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 On 21/05/2023 at 10:44 AM, Taikomochi said: On principle, I never watch YouTube videos where the thumbnail has the youtuber making some stupid ass face like that. That’s how you identify people who just make contrarian opinions for clicks, and they shouldn’t be rewarded. It hasn’t steered me wrong thus far. Loert, Edmilson, Bellosh and 7 others 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,262 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 34 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said: This looks like the kind of video my father would watch. Brando and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,615 Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 Alright,read the 3 pages and to summarise the movie is mediocre but JW's score is great and mixed loud. Sounds good enough to me. ThePenitentMan1, Cerebral Cortex, Tom and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,833 Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 I love how @TheUlyssesian came, left all their interesting thoughts, and left. I kind of respect that. Brónach, Brando, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eitam 362 Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 It's that time again, maybe for the last time, when only a select few people have seen JW's latest movie and can offer frustratingly vague and arbitrary comments on the score. It's part of the process of jwfan. Jurassic Shark, Taikomochi, Muad'Dib and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 On 19/05/2023 at 11:56 AM, crumbs said: Mangold already said Williams only planned to do the themes then hand off the score to his "team" (aka Ross). Clearly JW just kept writing, but he might have thrown a few cues to Ross and told him to adapt specific cues from other films. Where did you pull that one out of? In 2 years of following this I never read anything about Williams writing the themes and letting his 'team" do the rest of the score like a Solo situation . It's pretty clear it was always Williams doing the whole thing. Not sure why your bringing this up so people start thinking it's like CoS and speculate some action cues are written by William Ross crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,274 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 3 hours ago, King Mark said: Where did you pull that one out of? In 2 years of following this I never read anything about Williams writing the themes and letting his 'team" do the rest of the score like a Solo situation . It's pretty clear it was always Williams doing the whole thing. You obviously didn't look too hard. It's literally on the front page: Quote Mangold on securing Williams: “I was thrilled beyond belief, but at first he was going to write some themes, you know, and then hire some people to help arrange it throughout the movie. And then he saw the movie. And then he started writing themes, and then he just didn’t stop until he had written over two hours of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,617 Posted May 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2023 14 hours ago, King Mark said: Where did you pull that one out of? Only this entire thread: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35337-williams-didnt-stop-until-he-had-written-over-two-hours-of-music-for-indiana-jones-5/ I love it when you panic due to people thinking that someone other than your overlord wrote an Indiana Jones score. bollemanneke, Jurassic Shark and Brando 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TolkienSS 400 Posted May 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2023 46 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I love it when you panic due to people thinking that someone other than your overlord wrote an Indiana Jones score. It's literally called "John Williams Fan Network", not "Other Composers Who Scored John Williams Franchises Fan Network". Jurassic Shark, Brando and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 For now... bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,617 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Wow, he knows the name of the website! Cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,262 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: I love it when you panic due to people thinking that someone other than your overlord wrote an Indiana Jones score. I don't think anyone here would prefer a "themes by JW, score by William Ross". Unless we have Ross fans out there somewhere hidden in the forum... Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,617 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 No it's good that JW wrote it in its entirety. I'm just amused by those who are far more worried about who wrote a score than how good it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,262 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 There are some film music fans who enjoy the music whoever wrote it and those who really want to know (as much as possible) who did what. I'm on the second camp, and I think KM is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,610 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: No it's good that JW wrote it in its entirety. I'm just amused by those who are far more worried about who wrote a score than how good it is. You pick a team and root for it. I can appreciate the brilliant play of another team, but I am not going to enjoy it like if it were my own team. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,617 Posted May 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2023 Favorites are obviously useful for finding more scores you're likely to enjoy, sure. But I hear a score and have determined I like it, I honestly don't care who composed it. Hence if Indy 5 had been scored by someone else and they ended up doing a brilliant job, I wouldn't care. I think I'm just pre-disposed to find the whole 'my composer is better than yours' a bit odd. enderdrag64, bollemanneke and Jilal 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,235 Posted May 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2023 I think it's more that as Williams fans, we take pride in how much he's been able to keep his artistic integrity and sense of authorship through this business. So it means a lot that in his 90s he's still keeping that level of control over his music even as the modern filmmaking process would understandably make it harder than ever. Brando, Edmilson and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 400 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Let's not act like an Indy score by anyone besides JW would be dissapointing as long as JW is alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: I don't think anyone here would prefer a "themes by JW, score by William Ross". Unless we have Ross fans out there somewhere hidden in the forum... It wouldn't end my world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: It wouldn't end my world. You only care about your Pinnock box now. 32 minutes ago, TolkienSS said: Let's not act like an Indy score by anyone besides JW would be dissapointing as long as JW is alive. What? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Yup, ripping Haydn symphonies right now! But seriously, to everyone who is opposed to the idea of a themes by JW score, I will say only one thing: Solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Just now, bollemanneke said: Yup, ripping Haydn symphonies right now! You're more box than man, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 I AM the box! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Life is like a box of Pinnock, you never know what you're going to get, except quality. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 18 hours ago, Edmilson said: Unless we have Ross fans out there somewhere hidden in the forum... Join the John Powell fandom Explore new worlds Learn valuables skills Bring order and unity to the Internet Be a part of something Join the John Powell fandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted May 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2023 13 hours ago, Brónach said: Join the John Powell fandom Explore new worlds Learn valuables skills Bring order and unity to the Internet Be a part of something Join the John Powell fandom Loert, enderdrag64, Lao Che and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,610 Posted May 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2023 I know it is probably wrong of me, but I am happy with the negative reviews. The worse the movie, the more Williams would have scored the hell out of it to try and make it work. Edmilson, Ricard and Loert 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,317 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom said: I know it is probably wrong of me, but I am happy with the negative reviews. The worse the movie, the more Williams would have scored the hell out of it to try and make it work. Wait...so do you love the score to KOTCS? (I do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,610 Posted May 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Bellosh said: Wait...so do you love the score to KOTCS? (I do) I think the OST suffers from some of the most boring choices one could make, but the score itself it brilliant. For instance, I have always loved Mutt's theme. It barely fits the character we are seeing, but the movie would have been better had that character been realized closer to the theme. Irina comes closer to being realized but Williams nails the archetype so perfectly, the score outpaces her. I wonder if we are going to get a similar "gap" between Helena and her theme. Taikomochi, Brónach, Gabriel Bezerra and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,317 Posted May 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2023 You're a breath fresh air my dude Crystal Skull's score is so good. Tom, Taikomochi, blondheim and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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