Tom 5,562 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 7 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: There should have been a cookie too. Someone please photoshop a cookie monster T-shirt on him. The Score to Schindler's List: Dark Forces Conspire BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 42,232 Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 Stay tuned for exclusive content about the book on The Legacy of John Williams as we get closer to release date! https://www.facebook.com/thelegacyofjohnwilliams/posts/pfbid07utUMnY1XXacnx3pHECbmtKVMD6W5XZ8wemDQVo4PFDRK38nsYbcTBhT6CzDbkyUl enderdrag64, Dr. Rick, crocodile and 10 others 6 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,512 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Stay tuned for exclusive content about the book on The Legacy of John Williams as we get closer to release date! https://www.facebook.com/thelegacyofjohnwilliams/posts/pfbid07utUMnY1XXacnx3pHECbmtKVMD6W5XZ8wemDQVo4PFDRK38nsYbcTBhT6CzDbkyUl Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor_Man_S_HirschFeld 39 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 @Maestro, I suppose you must have talked at some lenghts about his music teachers (I'm very curios to compare Williams' recollections about Castelnuovo-Tedesco with Goldsmith's), bit did John expressed any thought about being a teacher himself? I sincerely believe that as a composer, conductor and public figure he has provided more inspiration and motivation than probably hundreds of actual teachers, but I don't think he ever had any pupil at any times in his career. Did he ever considered teaching? Historically it's one of the most common 'side hustles' of professional musicians atvany level (Mozart had pupils!) I think he's given masterclasses in Tanglewood. Anyway, do you have any insight about this? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maestro 1,182 Posted March 11 Popular Post Share Posted March 11 12 minutes ago, Poor_Man_S_HirschFeld said: @Maestro, I suppose you must have talked at some lenghts about his music teachers (I'm very curios to compare Williams' recollections about Castelnuovo-Tedesco with Goldsmith's), bit did John expressed any thought about being a teacher himself? I sincerely believe that as a composer, conductor and public figure he has provided more inspiration and motivation than probably hundreds of actual teachers, but I don't think he ever had any pupil at any times in his career. Did he ever considered teaching? Historically it's one of the most common 'side hustles' of professional musicians atvany level (Mozart had pupils!) I think he's given masterclasses in Tanglewood. Anyway, do you have any insight about this? Great question! (Also, can I just say how weird it feels that my username (which I came up with back in 2003) is "Maestro"? It feels WAY too respectful/deferential as a title when people address me on here... LOL.) Castelnuovo-Tedesco was actually a very minor figure in JW's education, much more than people assume. The vastly more significant teacher was... well, I want to save some treasures for the book! I've always thought he would make the most incredible teacher—he became my teacher in a ton of ways—and as you say, he has done masterclasses at Tanglewood (and some universities) as well as some coaching there, but otherwise he never taught, and never had apprentices. I can only offer that it's because he wanted to devote ALL of his time to composing and conducting, and that teaching would have gotten in the way of those activities. (He even lamented that composers like David Raksin gave up writing to teach, because of the music we missed out on as a result.) But, I have also come to realize that he was teaching the entire world with his elevated modern classical music; there was an educational, pedagogical aspect to the high level approach he took with his work, and to all of classical allusions within it, and then in how he devoted so much of his time and energy to presenting it to the public. So he IS a teacher... he just let his music do most of the talking. JohnnyD, Once, crocodile and 9 others 5 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 9,304 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 minutes ago, Maestro said: Castelnuovo-Tedesco was actually a very minor figure in JW's education, much more than people assume. The vastly more significant teacher was... well, I want to save some treasures for the book! Robert van Epps! Rosina Lhévinne! Just kidding...these are famous teachers, you've hopefully uncovered someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 14,820 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 14 minutes ago, Maestro said: he has done masterclasses at Tanglewood (and some universities) as well as some coaching there What does coaching mean in this context, as opposed to giving masterclasses? I assume he didn't coach soccer teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Meredith McKay 7,783 Posted March 11 Popular Post Share Posted March 11 13 minutes ago, Maestro said: Great question! (Also, can I just say how weird it feels that my username (which I came up with back in 2003) is "Maestro"? It feels WAY too respectful/deferential as a title when people address me on here... LOL.) I have to admit, when I have shared the news of your book elsewhere, I had to be conscious of not having "Greiving" to close to "John Williams" without explanation, in fear of giving people heart attacks. Jurassic Shark, That_Bloke, Marian Schedenig and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 14,820 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 minutes ago, Thor said: Robert van Epps! Rosina Lhévinne! Just kidding...these are famous teachers, you've hopefully uncovered someone else. Easy. Herbert Spencer. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maestro 1,182 Posted March 11 Popular Post Share Posted March 11 12 minutes ago, Meredith McKay said: I have to admit, when I have shared the news of your book elsewhere, I had to be conscious of not having "Greiving" to close to "John Williams" without explanation, in fear of giving people heart attacks. I am, unfortunately, saddled with a very macabre last name. (I also do write a lot of obituaries, and someone has pointed out the phenomenon of "nominative determinism.") 13 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What does coaching mean in this context, as opposed to giving masterclasses? I assume he didn't coach soccer teams. He sometimes worked one on one with composing students at Tanglewood who were tasked with re-scoring film scenes, or at least gave them personal feedback. 18 minutes ago, Thor said: Robert van Epps! Rosina Lhévinne! Just kidding...these are famous teachers, you've hopefully uncovered someone else. I'm not saying it's a name you've never heard in relation to JW—I just never realized how important and deeply involved one particular teacher was... BachSkywalker, Jurassic Shark, Brando and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 14,820 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Haydn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt S. 662 Posted March 11 Popular Post Share Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, Maestro said: I am, unfortunately, saddled with a very macabre last name. (I also do write a lot of obituaries, and someone has pointed out the phenomenon of "nominative determinism.") That_Bloke, Manakin Skywalker, Brando and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Meredith McKay 7,783 Posted March 11 Popular Post Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Matt S. said: Ennio Morr-ice-cream-cone? That_Bloke, BB-8 and igger6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 9,304 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 11 minutes ago, Maestro said: I'm not saying it's a name you've never heard in relation to JW—I just never realized how important and deeply involved one particular teacher was... Alfred Newman! Henry Mancini! Stanley Wilson! Morris Stoloff! His dad! OK, I'll stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 14,820 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 André Previn. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,512 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Maestro said: I've always thought he would make the most incredible teacher—he became my teacher in a ton of ways—and as you say, he has done masterclasses at Tanglewood (and some universities) as well as some coaching there, but otherwise he never taught, and never had apprentices. I can only offer that it's because he wanted to devote ALL of his time to composing and conducting, and that teaching would have gotten in the way of those activities. (He even lamented that composers like David Raksin gave up writing to teach, because of the music we missed out on as a result.) But, I have also come to realize that he was teaching the entire world with his elevated modern classical music; there was an educational, pedagogical aspect to the high level approach he took with his work, and to all of classical allusions within it, and then in how he devoted so much of his time and energy to presenting it to the public. So he IS a teacher... he just let his music do most of the talking. That is very insightful. 100% fact. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor_Man_S_HirschFeld 39 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 11 hours ago, Maestro said: Great question! (Also, can I just say how weird it feels that my username (which I came up with back in 2003) is "Maestro"? It feels WAY too respectful/deferential as a title when people address me on here... LOL.) Castelnuovo-Tedesco was actually a very minor figure in JW's education, much more than people assume. The vastly more significant teacher was... well, I want to save some treasures for the book! I've always thought he would make the most incredible teacher—he became my teacher in a ton of ways—and as you say, he has done masterclasses at Tanglewood (and some universities) as well as some coaching there, but otherwise he never taught, and never had apprentices. I can only offer that it's because he wanted to devote ALL of his time to composing and conducting, and that teaching would have gotten in the way of those activities. (He even lamented that composers like David Raksin gave up writing to teach, because of the music we missed out on as a result.) But, I have also come to realize that he was teaching the entire world with his elevated modern classical music; there was an educational, pedagogical aspect to the high level approach he took with his work, and to all of classical allusions within it, and then in how he devoted so much of his time and energy to presenting it to the public. So he IS a teacher... he just let his music do most of the talking. Thank you for your reply Tim! Maestro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 4,893 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 11 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: André Previn. Lenny Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 14,820 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Highwood's Ghost. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tom 5,562 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 15 hours ago, Thor said: Alfred Newman! Henry Mancini! Stanley Wilson! Morris Stoloff! His dad! OK, I'll stop now. Hermann. The man made one small criticism of his symphony and now it is buried forever. We should do an office pool for this. BB-8 and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 42,232 Posted March 12 Popular Post Share Posted March 12 19 hours ago, Maestro said: I've always thought he would make the most incredible teacher—he became my teacher in a ton of ways—and as you say, he has done masterclasses at Tanglewood (and some universities) as well as some coaching there, but otherwise he never taught, and never had apprentices. I can only offer that it's because he wanted to devote ALL of his time to composing and conducting, and that teaching would have gotten in the way of those activities. (He even lamented that composers like David Raksin gave up writing to teach, because of the music we missed out on as a result.) But, I have also come to realize that he was teaching the entire world with his elevated modern classical music; there was an educational, pedagogical aspect to the high level approach he took with his work, and to all of classical allusions within it, and then in how he devoted so much of his time and energy to presenting it to the public. So he IS a teacher... he just let his music do most of the talking. Amazing paragraph. Gold star! BB-8, Maestro and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Hooper 4,953 Posted March 12 Popular Post Share Posted March 12 Yavar Moradi, Brando, Edmilson and 7 others 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,934 Posted March 12 Popular Post Share Posted March 12 The main thing John Williams's music has taught me is how little talent I have. BB-8, Edmilson, Jilal and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Hooper 4,953 Posted March 12 Popular Post Share Posted March 12 18 minutes ago, Loert said: The main thing John Williams's music taught me is how little talent I have. Truth. Reminds me of when I tried to write songs as a teenager. Like squeezing blood out of a turnip... All I could wring out was clichés. The pros make it seem effortless—leading to the erroneous thought: "Hey! I can do that!" artus_grayboot, Loert and BB-8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjimwilson 316 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 After pre-ordering maybe a week or so ago, I've just had a refund from Oxford university press. I wonder what that's about. I've emailed to ask.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,512 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I pre-ordered mine on February 6th, and nothing out of the ordinary for my order. However, the publication date has been bumped up. It is now listed as July 16th instead of September 1st. That can't be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,973 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 We're too used to delays, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 7,238 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 56 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: I pre-ordered mine on February 6th, and nothing out of the ordinary for my order. However, the publication date has been bumped up. It is now listed as July 16th instead of September 1st. That can't be right. Fingers crossed that's actually the new date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,512 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 25/3/2025 at 1:20 PM, mrbellamy said: Fingers crossed that's actually the new date Oxford has since corrected the release date: September 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 7,238 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Now it says the 2nd! And looks like the chapter list is now split into two parts, "Hollywood" and "Tanglewood." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 9,304 Posted March 29 Popular Post Share Posted March 29 49 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Now it says the 2nd! And looks like the chapter list is now split into two parts, "Hollywood" and "Tanglewood." Lots of wood. Edmilson, Brando, BB-8 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,973 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Soon we won't be able to see the wood for the trees anymore. BB-8 and That_Bloke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,512 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 29/3/2025 at 3:11 PM, mrbellamy said: Now it says the 2nd! And looks like the chapter list is now split into two parts, "Hollywood" and "Tanglewood." Well, the actual release date is September 2nd. @Maestro is the official word. He informed that Oxford updated the publication date to not interfere with Labor Day. Besides, anyone who pre-order will probably get it prior since it starts shipping August 5th. As for the two parts, that is appropriate as both Hollywood and Tanglewood are part of the Maestro’s life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herunen 17 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 @Maestro any update on a french translation of the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maestro 1,182 Posted April 1 Popular Post Share Posted April 1 11 hours ago, herunen said: @Maestro any update on a french translation of the book? Not yet, sorry! Hopefully I'll know more about such things before long. Another update—and a long story that directly involves his majesty: the book has a new cover. Tydirium, Mr. Hooper, BachSkywalker and 18 others 7 1 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 42,232 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Aw man, the previous cover with the baton and piano in the same shot was aces. Well, it's the content that matters! Maestro and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Hooper 4,953 Posted April 1 Popular Post Share Posted April 1 Much prefer this cover. It's elegant and the elements are more defined, and will attract eyes in a bookstore better. Williams' genial face will beckon shoppers from across the room. Tydirium, Holko, greenturnedblue and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 42,232 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Very true! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maestro 1,182 Posted April 1 Popular Post Share Posted April 1 25 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said: Much prefer this cover. It's elegant and the elements are more defined, and will attract eyes in a bookstore better. Williams' genial face will beckon shoppers from across the room. As the Maestro himself said: "I think it's what people expect." @Mr. Hooper Seems like you might enjoy knowing that I interviewed Richard Dreyfuss for the book. Brando, Mr. Hooper, Yavar Moradi and 3 others 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,512 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 hours ago, Maestro said: Another update—and a long story that directly involves his majesty: the book has a new cover. @Maestro I have to say that, while the original cover was great, this one outshines it. This was exactly what I imagined the actual cover would be, and I’m glad it is. Maestro and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,268 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 hours ago, Maestro said: Not yet, sorry! Hopefully I'll know more about such things before long. Another update—and a long story that directly involves his majesty: the book has a new cover. Much better cover IMO Maestro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 2,007 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 The new cover is a major improvement and I think represents the version of JW most fans see in their mind's eye. Maestro and Mr. Hooper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 42,232 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 You know what? That's very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BB-8 4,893 Posted April 2 Popular Post Share Posted April 2 I was actually expecting an April fools prank but this new cover is real: John Williams - Tim Greiving - Oxford University Press I would have opted for this one on April 1st... Manakin Skywalker, crocodile, artus_grayboot and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,875 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 I also like the new cover better. The initial one with the piano and the baton somehow refered to that guy who plays a lot of piano and does much conducting and composing, that we know from so many scores. But the new cover refers to the person John Williams. I like that. Yavar Moradi and Maestro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BB-8 4,893 Posted April 2 Popular Post Share Posted April 2 The new cover is stylistically more like those countless biographies or memoirs of actors and politicians that line the bestseller lists at airport newsagents. Presumably, the recognition factor of this new cover is greater for the general readership. And in this age of economic uncertainty, Oxford University Press probably needs to appeal to the masses rather than satisfy the odd specialized fanboy/-girl. Maestro, Jay and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 7,238 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Old cover had a little more personality and it was a fun effort to capture the piano and baton in there, but yeah, this is moreso the cover I imagined based on the majority of other biographies and I do think the color scheme is a lot easier on the eyes. Also prefer it being "old Williams" and smiling. Maestro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 42,232 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 All good points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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