Davis 3,496 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Let’s rank the Star Wars movies. You can include Rogue 1 and Solo, even the two Ewok movies and the Clone Wars animated film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Groovygoth666 1,082 Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 If it's by what we think is the best my list would be - 1. TESB 2. ANH 3. ROTJ 4. TPM 5. ROTS 6. Rogue One 7. Solo 8. AOTC 9. TFA 10. Ewok Films 11. Clone Wars Movie 12. TLJ/TROS If it's what's our personal best - 1. ROTJ 2. TESB 3. ANH 4. Everything else Davis, MrJosh and A. A. Ron 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A. A. Ron 2,123 Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 Very similar list here. 1. TESB 2. SW77 3. ROTJ 4. TFA 5. ROTS 6. R1 7. Solo 8. TPM 9. AOTC 10. TCW 11. TLJ/TROS Haven’t seen the Ewok movies. Davis, Groovygoth666 and MrJosh 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,868 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 My favourite - favourite, mind - and of the films that I have seen, are: 1/ RETURN OF THE JEDI 2/ THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK 3/ THE PHANTOM MENACE 4/ THE LAST JEDI 5/ REVENGE OF THE SITH 6/ ATTACK OF THE CLONES 7/ A NEW HOPE 8/ ROGUE ONE 9/ THE FORCE AWAKENS 10/ SOLO 11/ THE RISE OF SKYWALKER Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,496 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 1. Star Wars 2. The Empire Strikes Back 3. Return of the Jedi 4. The Phantom Menace 5. Revenge of the Sith 6. Attack of the Clones --------------------------- 7. Rogue One 8. Solo 9. The Force Awakens - The Last Jedi - The Rise of Skywalker Groovygoth666 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,539 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Here's mine: The Empire Strikes Back A New Hope The Force Awakens Revenge of the Sith Return of the Jedi Attack of the Clones Rogue One The Phantom Menace Solo The Rise of Skywalker The Last Jedi The Clone Wars Movie Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 3,865 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 The Empire Strikes Back Return of the Jedi Star Wars The Phantom Menace Revenge of the Sith Rogue One Attack of the Clones The Sequel Trilogy Solo The Star Wars Holiday Special Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,496 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said: The Empire Strikes Back Return of the Jedi Star Wars The Phantom Menace Revenge of the Sith Rogue One Attack of the Clones The Sequel Trilogy Solo The Star Wars Holiday Special Ranking STAR WARS the lowest of the OT is admirable. Thanks for your list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 6,110 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Now waiting for @Jurassic Shark's counter "Don't Rank the Star Wars Films" thread. Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 13,910 Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 There's only one film named Star Wars so I don't see the point. MrJosh, Nick1Ø66 and A. A. Ron 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 6,110 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 There's an argument to be made...a very good argument...that over 45+ years, 11 films, 9 animated series, 7 live-action series, and countless shorts, specials, comics & books, Star Wars has produced only two truly great, classic pieces of pop culture art, the last happening over four decades ago. The rest range from merely "good" to mid to bad. Davis, A. A. Ron and greenturnedblue 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,420 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 My ranking hasn't change much. The Empire Strikes Back Star Wars Revenge of the Sith Rogue One Return of the Jedi Attack of the Clones The Force Awakens The Phantom Menace Solo The Last Jedi Ashoka: Sabine's Loth-Cat The Rise of Skywalker Davis and enderdrag64 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,496 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 35 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Now waiting for @Jurassic Shark's counter "Don't Rank the Star Wars Films" thread. I was waiting for him to put The Rise of Skywalker at the number one spot, you know, because if everyone hates it, he has to love it. Btw @Nick1Ø66would you care to share your rankings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schilkeman 1,366 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I only count the six and clone wars, which is tv so: Attack of the Clones The Empire Strikes Back The Phantom Menace A New Hope Revenge of the Sith Return of the Jedi But I love them all dearly and frequently watch all of them just about equally. Each one brings something I like that the others don’t. Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 6,110 Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, JTW said: Btw @Nick1Ø66would you care to share your rankings? It's impossible for me to rank these movies. I put Empire and Star Wars at the top, AOTC at the bottom, and the rest in the muddled middle of the mediocre to merely good to almost great. I enjoy most of the post-Empire films to one degree or another. Many have some amazing bits. So that's not a slam on their quality. I just can't really rank them. Two caveats: Jedi gets a pass/credit by being part of the OT, so if pushed out of sentimentality, I'd put it at #3. But there are other entries that work better as cinema. And TLJ is unranked because I don't consider it a Star Wars film, it's a Rian Johnson vanity piece. But if I did rank it, it would be well below the Holiday Special. I think it would be interesting to see a world where Star Wars stopped after one film, and how it would be regarded today. The only problem with that is that we'd lose Empire, which is arguably the best one. GerateWohl, A. A. Ron, SpecterMist and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,496 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, Schilkeman said: I only count the six and clone wars, which is tv so: The Empire Strikes Back Attack of the Clones The Phantom Menace A New Hope Revenge of the Sith Return of the Jedi But I love them all dearly and frequently watch all of them just about equally. Each one brings something I like that the others don’t. Great list, thanks! Clone Wars was released in theaters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_(film) 8 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Two caveats: Jedi gets a pass/credit by being part of the OT, but if pushed out of sentimentality, I'd put it at #3. But there are other entries that work better as cinema. The Spoiler death of Yoda/Luke and Obi-Wan conversation and the Luke-Vader-Emperor scenes are some of the best SW cinema. 8 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: I think it would be interesting to see a world where Star Wars stopped after one film, and how it would be regarded today. The only problem with that is that we'd lose Empire, which is arguably the best one. Yes, it would be interesting. We'd also lose Jedi, which I love (the score is amazing, and the speeder bike chase, battle of Endor are brilliant). Oh and there are many people who believe that Star Wars ended after the three films of the OT. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schilkeman 1,366 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, JTW said: Clone Wars was released in theaters Yes, but that doesn’t change that it was three episodes of the show smushed together. I actually like it a lot, it and the first season have grown on me over the years, but it’s a movie the way two-part pilots are movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,868 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, JTW said: Ranking STAR WARS the lowest of the OT is admirable. Thanks for your list! Wha'?! What was my ranking of ANH? Chopped liver? Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,420 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 39 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Jedi gets a pass/credit by being part of the OT, so if pushed out of sentimentality, I'd put it at #3. The Special Edition cost Return of the Jedi at least one position in my ranking. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 6,110 Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 31 minutes ago, Slipperman9 said: Wha'?! What was my ranking of ANH? Chopped liver? What's ANH? 3 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: The Special Edition cost Return of the Jedi at least one position in my ranking. What's the Special Edition? 5 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: SW77 A. A. Ron, ThePenitentMan1 and Davis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,420 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: What's the Special Edition? You are joking, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 4,848 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: There's an argument to be made...a very good argument...that over 45+ years, 11 films, 9 animated series, 7 live-action series, and countless shorts, specials, comics & books, Star Wars has produced only two truly great pieces of pop culture art, the last happening over four decades ago. Not necessarily a criticism. That's some trick to build such an empire on two movies. Whatever else you may say about Lucas, he's quite the businessman. I'd say Jedi cracks the pop culture bubble. It's not really in the same league as the first two (for reasons) but there is a LOT of what the post-GenX fans would consider "Star Wars 101" that comes from Jedi. My lists: Movies: Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back (or The Empire Strikes Back then Star Wars depending on the day) Rogue One Return of the Jedi (both better and worse than I think it is) Solo The Force Awakens The Last Jedi ehhhh.... The Phantom Menace? Then? Rise of Skywalker (I'm really iffy on this part of the order) And then I don't care anymore. You know the rest. Actually, this line might be after Solo. Might even be after Return of the Jedi. But I still liked Solo. And the ST can be watchable. Sometimes. TV Shows: Rebels Andor The Mandalorian, mostly. Clone Wars, probably. Ahsoka? I mean, I loved David Tennant and Ezra. And then I don't care anymore. You know the rest. Core Star Wars: The OT Rebels Rogue One Honorable mentions for Solo and Andor I might like other Star Wars things but when I want to scratch a Star Wars "itch" it's these or nothing. Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,805 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 The Empire Strikes Back 10/10 Star Wars 8/10 The Force Awakens 7/10 The Last Jedi 7/10 Rogue One 7/10 Revenge of the Sith 7/10 Return of the Jedi 7/10 The Phantom Menace 7/10 The Rise of Skywalker 3/10 Attack of the Clones 3/10 Davis and enderdrag64 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,868 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 48 minutes ago, Chen G. said: The Empire Strikes Back 10/10 Star Wars 8/10 The Last Jedi 7/10 The Force Awakens 7/10 Rogue One 7/10 Revenge of the Sith 7/10 The Phantom Menace 7/10 The Rise of Skywalker 3/10 Attack of the Clones 3/10 No RETURN OF THE JEDI? Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,805 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Oops! There it is, now. Right under Revenge of the Sith. Naïve Old Fart and Tallguy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 4,006 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 The Empire Strikes Back Return of the Jedi A New Hope Revenge of the Sith The Last Jedi The Phantom Menace Attack of the Clones The Force Awakens The Rise of Skywalker Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,385 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 The Empire Strikes Back Star Wars Return of the Jedi The others don't exist for me. (although I did love the one Ewok movie I had seen in my childhood. I should see both now) Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,496 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 36 minutes ago, filmmusic said: The Empire Strikes Back Star Wars Return of the Jedi The others don't exist for me. filmmusic and Nick1Ø66 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schilkeman 1,366 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I switched my top two to put AotC on top, one, because I believe it, and two, to piss people off. Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,805 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 31 minutes ago, JTW said: I see Kwangchun Youn approves. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 3,865 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 10 hours ago, JTW said: Ranking STAR WARS the lowest of the OT is admirable. That's how I feel today anyway. Ask me again tomorrow. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 565 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 9 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: There's an argument to be made...a very good argument...that over 45+ years, 11 films, 9 animated series, 7 live-action series, and countless shorts, specials, comics & books, Star Wars has produced only two truly great, classic pieces of pop culture art, the last happening over four decades ago. The rest range from merely "good" to mid to bad. That reminds me of the old Joseph Heller line (how true it is, I don’t know): Interviewer: “You’ve not written anything as good since Catch 22” Heller: “No, but no one else has either!” And that’s how I feel about Star Wars. Nothing has quite captured me ever since the OT as a youngster and I doubt ever will. So “good” (Mandalorian, Clone Wars) to “very good“ (Andor) is more than enough for me. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bayesian 1,473 Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 My list, in terms of personal enjoyment: 1. A New Hope 2. The Last Jedi 3. Revenge of the Sith 4. The Force Awakens 5. The Phantom Menace 6. Solo 7. Empire Strikes Back 8. everything else So the thing about TESB is that I never thought it was all that great, outside of the score and the last hour or so. Han is at his asshole-iest when we see him on Hoth and the movie is slo-o-ow when Luke gets to Dagobah. I know this opinion is unpopular, to say the least, but I figured it was worth getting it out there before the year runs out. Davis, Tallguy and Naïve Old Fart 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 8,849 Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 Star Wars. Nick1Ø66, Davis, Tallguy and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,967 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Star Wars Empire Strikes Back Return of the Jedi The Last Jedi The Force Awakens The Phantom Menace Rogue One Revenge of the Sith Attack of the Clones Rise of Skywalker Solo First two are obviously essential, ROTJ is more than the sum of its parts and really elevated by its climax. I think it's clearer than ever that the OT was lightning in a bottle. For a little while I thought TFA was #3 but Rise of Skywalker really brings down what I like about it and makes Last Jedi the best of the sequel trilogy imo. Phantom Menace, Rogue One, and Revenge of the Sith, I find mostly boring with great endings. Rogue One could use a rewatch. Watched the prequels again this year and Phantom was better than I remembered while Sith was worse. Clones, Rise, and Solo, I find pretty hard to rank. But I put Solo last cause it feels like the biggest nothingburger. Clones and Rise are the funniest to think about John Williams having to spend a lot of time watching and thinking deeply about. Clones has the better ending and I guess seniority in a tie so ranked it first. Davis and Tallguy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 4,848 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 2 hours ago, Bayesian said: My list, in terms of personal enjoyment: 1. A New Hope 2. The Last Jedi 3. Revenge of the Sith 4. The Force Awakens 5. The Phantom Menace 6. Solo 7. Empire Strikes Back 8. everything else So the thing about TESB is that I never thought it was all that great, outside of the score and the last hour or so. Han is at his asshole-iest when we see him on Hoth and the movie is slo-o-ow when Luke gets to Dagobah. I know this opinion is unpopular, to say the least, but I figured it was worth getting it out there before the year runs out. Very well thought out departure from conventional wisdom. Although "the last hour or so" in a two hour movie should be a respectable percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 929 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 TESB Star Wars ROTJ TPM ROTS RO TFA AOTC TROS TLJ Solo Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,473 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 4 hours ago, Tallguy said: Very well thought out departure from conventional wisdom. Although "the last hour or so" in a two hour movie should be a respectable percentage. Thanks for appreciating my ranking, @Tallguy! It’s been a long time since I watched it, but thanks to Disney+, I can confirm that I start really liking TESB only once they get to cloud city, with only 43 min remaining. In another dose of contrarianism, my high esteem for TLJ stems from the fact that it’s an eminently rewatchable Star Wars movie, second only to ANH. And it’s great fun to watch Kylo lose his shit on crait. (Mind you, the less said about seeing Rey use the force to lift four thousand tons of rocks like it was nothing, when Luke could barely free his lightsaber from a snowbank three episodes earlier, the better…) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 1,356 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 Based on the films I can comfortably say I have familiarity with: 1). RotJ 2). TFA 3). RotS 4). TESB 5). ANH 6). TLJ 7). TRoS The second and third spots are entirely rooted in the two times I really was invested in the series (as a kid in 2005, and as a teen in 2015), with the first basically going off the great experience I had seeing it on the big screen last year. Everything else is based in the fallout of modern fandom and corporate excesses . Naïve Old Fart and Davis 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 5,269 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 1) TESB 2) ANH 3) ROTS 4) ROTJ 5) TPM 6) AotC 7) RO (A Williams score would move the whole thing up dramatically) 8) Solo 9) Rey's Theme 10) The Spark and Fathiers 11) Speeder Chase and Rise of Skywalker 12) Obi-Wan's theme Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 6,110 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 18 hours ago, GlastoEls said: And that’s how I feel about Star Wars. Nothing has quite captured me ever since the OT as a youngster and I doubt ever will. Pretty much sums it up for me. And I think you had to have seen Star Wars at a certain age to get that feeling. TESB, an objectively better film, comes close, very close, but nothing can top seeing Star Wars the first time when you're young. And the closest I came as an adult to that kind of experience was Fellowship of the Ring. But even then, it's a completely different feeling. GlastoEls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 4,848 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 17 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: but nothing can top seeing Star Wars the first time when you're young Not just young. It's also when there was nothing even remotely like it. Not even all the things it borrowed from. It literally changed the game. 18 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: And the closest I came as an adult Hmmm. There are new things I love. There are still things I obsess over. (The Expanse.) There are other film scores I play into the ground. But something that hit me like Star Wars? I'm trying to think of something more recent that The Wrath of Khan that even comes close. Again, how much of that is a factor of how much of a game changer Star Wars was and how much of it is not being 8 anymore? Dunno. Nick1Ø66 and GlastoEls 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 565 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 Watching the OT makes me feel 8 years old again in all honesty! (and thank goodness that George Lucas resisted calls to make the ending of Jedi bittersweet so my childhood is forever happily locked at a party on a forest moon!) Davis and Tom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 5,269 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 2 minutes ago, GlastoEls said: Watching the OT makes me feel 8 years old again in all honesty! (and thank goodness that George Lucas resisted calls to make the ending of Jedi bittersweet so my childhood is forever happily locked at a party on a forest moon!) Lucas understands the logic of fairy tales. Seemingly, not many others do. Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 6,110 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 1 minute ago, Tom said: Lucas understands the logic of fairy tales. @Chen G. in 5...4...3...2... Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 4,848 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 46 minutes ago, Tom said: Lucas understands the logic of fairy tales. Seemingly, not many others do. At one time he understood the logic of Westerns. 44 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: @Chen G. in 5...4...3...2... Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,805 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 On 01/01/2024 at 5:35 PM, Tom said: Lucas understands the logic of fairy tales. I'll put it like this: What about Star Wars is fairytale-like? Actually wait, I can answer that: We have the damsel-in-distress storyline. That's one. Even though, strictly speaking, Luke doesn't undertake the quest to save the princess until they're on the Death Star: prior to that, his quest is to get the Droids to the Rebels (we'll get to where that's from soon enough). But a damsel-in-distress story...hmm... I wonder if there's pulp sci-fi author, whose works Lucas knew well, referenced often in interviews and even quoted from verbatim, who wrote literally dozens of books based on that premise... if only there was one... Oh wait, I know! How many times John Carter have to rescue Dejah Thoris from implicit rape? Probably several dozen times. Then they bump uglies and have a son Cathoris, and now he has to save Thuvia. Then we get to Tar Hadron, and he has to save Sanoma Tora. And what about Tarzan and Jane? Same idea. Ditto with David and Dian in Pellucidar. What's in common with all of them? They're all written by Edgar Rice Burroughs. And would you look at that, John Carter's adventures are on a desert planet, with two moons, run-down earthen cities, padwaans (okay, they're called Padwars, tomato tomato), Sith, Jedi (Jed). Hmmm.... Okay, so we have the damsel in distress. That's one. What else? Oh, well, we have the everyman hero. Well, at least BEFORE Luke became the son of the dark lord and "our last hope" thing. Before that, sure, his father was a great pilot, but in and of himself, Luke is just an everyman farmer, a clumsy orphan living in a hole in the ground. Well, that's certainly not John Carter: he's an army captain, and when he shows up on Mars he's practically superman. Flash Gordon? Nah, doesn't fit either. Bugger! If only there was a book we knew Lucas read, which is about an everyman orphan, with a glorious forefather, who lives in a hole in the ground...hmm...no, nothing comes to mind. OH WAIT! And what d'ya know? Its two for the price of one! Both the everyman, orphan hero from a hole in the ground, AND the tetchy old wizard mentor figure. Actually, its three in one: what's the ostensible "moral" of the parable that is Star Wars? I need only quote that old tetchy mentor figure: "Trust your feelings." Well, that's pretty much what this short bloke above has to do. Funny, that. There are other little flourishes: when Luke finds Leia, she's asleep like Sleeping Beauty and then she wakes up and props herself after the manner of Disney princess. Big whuff. we have a cranky old uncle in the guise of the "fairytale" foster parent. For my money, I'd sooner bet on The Searchers being the model than Sneewittchen. Then we have the fact that Luke doesn't know about his father's glorious past. THAT's probably Lucas thinking of King Arthur, although its scarcely some profound insight borne of a lifetime of studying Chrétien and Mallory. He's also given his father's sword as an heirloom, but I don't want to make the parallel to Excalibur just yet because Luke scarcely gets to do anything of substance with that sword before he loses it, and then in the prequel trilogy we see his dad and his future mentor ran through laser swords as though through tissue-paper... Actually, you know what Star Wars film is the most fairytale-like? Its CERTAINLY not any of the prequels, Lor knows its not The Empire Strikes Back by any means. Its DEFINITELY not the Holiday Special. Its not Return of the Jedi, and its not even the original Star Wars. Why, its: Yeah, that's some quality Star Wars if ever there was one. Its pretty much a ripoff of The Hobbit (and a nearly beat-by-beat dry-run for Willow): we have a diminutive hero, Mace (Bilbo) joining a group of Ewoks (Dwarves) on a quest to rescue his parents from the Gorax (Smaug) who lives under a solitary mountain peak (Erebor). There's even a giant spider and a wolf attack. Then there's a sequel, with yet ANOTHER old man with a staff and pointy hat. Our heroine stumbles upon his house when he's away and cleans it up, because Lucas lives on planet earth so he knows how Snow White (Disney, not Jacob Grimm) goes... And yes, I know it's overkill for a joke-prompt, but its therapeutic! Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 4,848 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 It's like watching Babe Ruth point to center field! Nick1Ø66 and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,805 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 I just find it ironic: the original Star Wars, where Lucas inadvertantly tapped into these fairytale-like conceits (mostly thanks to the stuff he was reading at the time) is in this particular regard the most successfull. But then in later entries where he's consciously trying to tap into fairytale storytelling (mostly via Tolkien, to a lesser extent Disney) - namely Return of the Jedi, the Ewok films and Willow - it comes off forced, cloying and ultimately works to the detriment of the films. And at no point does it square off with the scholarly spin Lucas tries to put on it. Yes, Lucas did read in Bettelheim's book that fairytale heroes face trials in sets of threes, but he never really does that: it was probably on his mind when he wrote the Jabba short: first C3PO comes to free Han, and fails. Then Leia, and she fails. And then Luke and he seemingly fails. They're...not exactly trials, certainly not for Luke. So even that doesn't really hold water, and more importantly, it slows the film down almost to a screeching halt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 1,044 Posted January 1, 2024 Share Posted January 1, 2024 Here's my rankings The Empire Strikes Back Rogue One A New Hope Revenge of the Sith Solo The Phantom Menace Return of the Jedi The Force Awakens The Last Jedi Attack of the Clones The Rise of Skywalker, The Clone Wars Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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