Popular Post Ricard 2,270 Posted February 22 Popular Post Share Posted February 22 Quote FEBRUARY 22, 2024 — The International Film Music Critics Association (IFMCA) announces its list of winners for excellence in musical scoring in 2023, in the 2023 IFMCA Awards. The award for Score of the Year goes to American composer John Williams, for his score for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, the fifth film in the beloved action-adventure series starring Harrison Ford as the eponymous globetrotting archaeologist. The score also won the award for its genre, being named Best Score for an Action/Adventure film. IFMCA member James Southall praised Dial of Destiny as “a nostalgic throwback to those great times of the past – a set of meticulously-composed new music by one of the greatest film composers we’ve ever had – an exhibition in skill and technique with the orchestra which is guaranteed to go beyond almost any other film music we hear this year.” IFMCA member Christian Clemmensen said that the score was “an especially gratifying treat and an immense pleasure to hear in the 2020’s… it continues to espouse the uniquely superior aspects of Williams’s writing from decades past”. Similarly, IFMCA member Anton Smit said the score was “a fantastic listening experience from start to finish… a masterpiece… one of the highlights of this final phase of John Williams’ career.” This is John Williams’s fifth Score of the Year victory, having previously won for Memoirs of a Geisha in 2005, War Horse in 2011, Star Wars: The Force Awakens in 2015, and Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker in 2019. These wins also take Williams’s all-time IFMCA win tally to 21, not including those for archival releases of his older scores, making him the most-awarded composer in IFMCA history. SCORE OF THE YEAR INDIANA JONES AND THE DIAL OF DESTINY, music by John Williams BEST ORIGINAL SCORE FOR AN ACTION/ADVENTURE FILM INDIANA JONES AND THE DIAL OF DESTINY, music by John Williams Full list of winners http://filmmusiccritics.org/2024/02/ifmca-award-winners-2023/ mstrox, Bellosh, Will and 21 others 6 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 5,148 Posted February 22 Popular Post Share Posted February 22 Excellent news. It is nice to see Williams get such honors from people who actually focus on the craft itself. Tydirium, Cindylover1969, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 9,122 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Judging by the competition, I'd say Williams's win was well deserved. Though I still want to listen to The Piper. Love CY in his "horrific" mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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filmmusic 2,260 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I haven't listened to many 2023 releases but I assume the Williams score was indeed the best? Because by Williams standards is in my bottom list of his output. Davis and Joni Wiljami 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 39,755 Posted February 22 Popular Post Share Posted February 22 It makes no different in the slightest how this score compares to his other own works. it's only about how it compares to other scores from this calendar year. Taikomochi, Trope, Erik Woods and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,267 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, filmmusic said: I haven't listened to many 2023 releases but I assume the Williams score was indeed the best? Because by Williams standards is in my bottom list of his output. I enjoy Oppenheimer quite a bit more than DoD. It's way, way more original. I agree with some of the other winners (drama film, and documentary) and DoD being best adventure score? Sure. Not score of the year though, sorry peeps. Joni Wiljami and Bounty95 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davis 3,135 Posted February 22 Popular Post Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Ricard said: SCORE OF THE YEAR INDIANA JONES AND THE DIAL OF DESTINY, music by John Williams BEST ORIGINAL SCORE FOR AN ACTION/ADVENTURE FILM INDIANA JONES AND THE DIAL OF DESTINY, music by John Williams Full list of winners http://filmmusiccritics.org/2024/02/ifmca-award-winners-2023/ Finally an award where the voters have good taste. GerateWohl, Richard P and Taikomochi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 5,148 Posted February 22 Popular Post Share Posted February 22 21 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I enjoy Oppenheimer quite a bit more than DoD. It's way, way more original. I agree with some of the other winners (drama film, and documentary) and DoD being best adventure score? Sure. Not score of the year though, sorry peeps. 22 hours ago, filmmusic said: I haven't listened to many 2023 releases but I assume the Williams score was indeed the best? Because by Williams standards is in my bottom list of his output. Yeah, I remember my parent's 30th anniversary party. You know, how people were coming up to them and telling them they would have preferred they married different people, and how there are other couples whose anniversary they would rather celebrate. Great memories, great party. GerateWohl, Cerebral Cortex, Sunshine Reger and 3 others 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,267 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Well, when Goransson wins the Oscar, you're free to comment on said win while some of us will be congratulating him. Works both ways Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,908 Posted February 22 Popular Post Share Posted February 22 I would have given it to Joe Hisaishi for The Boy and the Heron which did win for animated film score, but I think also deserves overall score of the year. Cerebral Cortex, Badzeee and Demondm810 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 5,148 Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: Well, when Goransson wins the Oscar, you're free to comment on said win while some of us will be congratulating him. Works both ways I might complain about a Williams loss in a generic Oscar thread. I would not crash a celebratory Goransson thread to air any complaints. Joni Wiljami, Tiburon and Cindylover1969 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,159 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 11 hours ago, Tom said: It's way, way more original. No, it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 5,148 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just to be clear, that is not my line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,755 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I really dislike when people attribute quotes to the wrong person. we should be better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,159 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Tom said: Just to be clear, that is not my line. Oh yes. Sorry. Was not intentionally. I just marked the text and clicked "Quote". But it was from a quote in your post. 7 minutes ago, Jay said: I really dislike when people attribute quotes to the wrong person. we should be better than that. Didn't want to hurt your feelings. Smeltington, Jurassic Shark and Edmilson 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,755 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 It's all good! Easy mistake to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,940 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 This is great! I'm just so worried Dial is not a good enough film to get this man his 6th Oscar. The academy would never. Oppenheimer may be predicted to win. But guess what bruv? It doesn't have one lick of the Raiders March....the greatest theme in existence. Do the right thing, Academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 5,148 Posted February 24 Popular Post Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Bellosh said: Do the right thing, Academy. I would say that the score should Whirl through Academ(e)y. Sometimes my writing is as clumsy as it is stupid. Bellosh, Jurassic Shark and Smeltington 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doo_liss 6,632 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 51 minutes ago, Tom said: I would say that the score should Whirl through Academ(e)y. No loose wire jokes. Brando and Tom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinland 361 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 On 23/02/2024 at 1:12 AM, Richard Penna said: Goransson *pffff* Jurassic Shark and GerateWohl 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,940 Posted February 25 Popular Post Share Posted February 25 I'm so confident he's gonna win I think the real question is what theme will be played as he walks to the stage.....Indy's or Helena's? Gabriel Bezerra, Brando, Cindylover1969 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,360 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 24/02/2024 at 2:46 AM, Bellosh said: I'm just so worried Dial is not a good enough film to get this man his 6th Oscar. No worries, it's a very good film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 9,122 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Is Dial of Destiny a score that I personally like to listen more than Oppenheimer? Sure. Would I be said in the unlikely possibility of a victory? Yeah. But does that make LG's probable win at the Oscars undeserved? Nope. In fact, I believe that Göransson's soon-to-be two Oscars were pretty good choices by the Academy considering their woeful track record over the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 9,151 Posted February 25 Popular Post Share Posted February 25 I don't get the hate for Görannson's Oppenheimer. I think it's a good score, and good music - for a modern score for a dialogue-heavy, action-light drama, there's refreshingly more to the music than just wallpaper sound design. One may dislike the approach Nolan and Göransson took (I don't), but at least it's a deliberate creative choice, and certainly not just Göransson's own. And therefore I'd say, yes, it's surely the more original of the two scores. Because wherever you may rank DoD among Williams's output - musically, even his lesser scores these days are miles ahead of almost everyone else working in this field these days. But original isn't an attribute I'd use to describe it. Richard P, ragoz350 and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 611 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 The biggest issue I have with Oppenheimer is that Görannson OVER scored it. If the film were better spotted and had less score—they really need to study Patton—I'd be more than happy to accept the accolades that it's receiving. Unfortunately, I felt that the score made the film worse—a film I didn't particular like but really disliked because of the music. The film is scored wall-to-wall with numerous dialogue sequences rendered inaudible because of the terrible mix of the music. Film music should never call negative attention to itself in context, and, IMO, that's what Görannson's score did. -Erik- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,151 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 12 hours ago, Erik Woods said: The biggest issue I have with Oppenheimer is that Görannson OVER scored it. […] The film is scored wall-to-wall with numerous dialogue sequences rendered inaudible because of the terrible mix of the music. That's what I was getting it. Surely that was deliberate, i.e. if the mix is "terrible" - I don't think it is - it's not terrible on a technical level but terrible on an artistic level. But I think the effect worked - at least it did for me. Overall, I think it's one of the better Nolan scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,267 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: it's not terrible on a technical level but terrible on an artistic level. That applies to way more scores than I think we give credit for. You can have a technically brilliant score that's unsuited to its film, or more often perhaps, overscores its film. All 3 Jurassics are a great example of films that have huge sequences without music (or dropped cues). I haven't seen Oppenheimer and I may well agree in the future that all the dialogue scenes didn't need music, but it works on album. Whereas KotCS for example, works great in the film, but has bits that I think drag a bit on album (again, funnily enough, when people are just talking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,360 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: Overall, I think it's one of the better Nolan scores. I'm sorry to say Nolan didn't score this. He used a ghostwriter called Göransson. Erik Woods 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,151 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 8 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: That applies to way more scores than I think we give credit for. You can have a technically brilliant score that's unsuited to its film, or more often perhaps, overscores its film. All 3 Jurassics are a great example of films that have huge sequences without music (or dropped cues). I haven't seen Oppenheimer and I may well agree in the future that all the dialogue scenes didn't need music, I'm sure many films are overscored mainly because that's just how they thought you do it. But Oppenheimer is deliberately overscored, i.e. the score's purpose clearly is to drown out the dialogue in some scenes. People may agree or disagree with that decision, but there's more to it than to just your average wall-to-wall blockbuster score (and at the same time, Göransson's score, overbearing as it may be, is comparatively restrained musically). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,159 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 17 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: I'm sure many films are overscored mainly because that's just how they thought you do it. But Oppenheimer is deliberately overscored, i.e. the score's purpose clearly is to drown out the dialogue in some scenes. This wall-to-wall overscoring becomes especially painful when apart from a few highlights nothing particularly interesting is happening in the music. That is why I consider this year's Williams' score superior to Göransson's. BB-8 and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 9,122 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 12 hours ago, Erik Woods said: The biggest issue I have with Oppenheimer is that Görannson OVER scored it. If the film were better spotted and had less score—they really need to study Patton—I'd be more than happy to accept the accolades that it's receiving. Unfortunately, I felt that the score made the film worse—a film I didn't particular like but really disliked because of the music. The film is scored wall-to-wall with numerous dialogue sequences rendered inaudible because of the terrible mix of the music. Film music should never call negative attention to itself in context, and, IMO, that's what Görannson's score did. -Erik- I agree that the movie is extremely overscored, with many sequences that should've been silence instead receiving some middling score. But I think that is more of a Nolan thing, who always loved to get too much music on his movies, even in his Zimmer days. It's like Dunkirk, where the score is almost omnipresent (though in that case it may not be as a bothersome because it was an action movie and not a "talky drama" like Oppenheimer). I imagine that if it was entirely up to LG, he wouldn't put that much music in scenes that didn't need it. Too much music mixed way too loud is the Nolan style, which Villeneuve has been quite fond of as well. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 3,031 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 22/2/2024 at 12:27 PM, Edmilson said: Judging by the competition, I'd say Williams's win was well deserved. Though I still want to listen to The Piper. Love CY in his "horrific" mode. You can hear three different excerpts from it in the IFMCA awards announcement video: I'm glad Dial of Destiny and The Piper won their respective genre categories, but my score of the year was (quite unexpectedly, as I heard it at the very last minute) The Peasants, written by a total newcomer to film music who's primarily known as a rapper. This was not on my 2023 film music bingo card but WOW is it an incredible, unique, and memorable score... gorgeous melodies too. With apologies to Hisaishi/Boy and the Heron and Powell/Migration, both of which are fantastic, I think it's an even better animation score. Yavar Jurassic Shark and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post filmmusic 2,260 Posted February 27 Popular Post Share Posted February 27 Well, if you ask me about the score of the year, it's this one: It plays like old school film music, actually more like classical music with large atonal parts and more extended harmony parts resembling Mahler (maybe?) or other composers (who???).. Please give it a listen (I mean all of you jwfanners) , and tell me your thoughts in the appropriate thread. I would be really curious to know... I was very surprised when I listened to it, about how good it is! There is no contest with any other film score of the year. I don't know how it plays to picture though... Jay, Joni Wiljami, Jurassic Shark and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,212 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 22/02/2024 at 11:38 PM, Tom said: Yeah, I remember my parent's 30th anniversary party. You know, how people were coming up to them and telling them they would have preferred they married different people, and how there are other couples whose anniversary they would rather celebrate. Great memories, great party. Brilliant. Williams won something and those two morons just don't like it. Here in the JWfan. "It's not the best by JW and Ludvig one is so much better". They are very serious to tell us they don't like DOD or any other JW's newer output. BUT WE DON'T CARE!!! Ban me and see you again in 2026 Jurassic Shark and Richard P 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,267 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 10 hours ago, Joni Wiljami said: Brilliant. Williams won something and those two morons just don't like it. I personally don't care what names you call me (and others) because I know you're a passionate fan, and passion sometimes means we use words we don't really mean. Lord knows I've used wrong words in the past. But I suspect use of 'morons' won't make you any friends in the mod team. Plus I did I say I thought best adventure score was a good win for DoD - it's a good score. I simply disagree that it's the best, most original and effective score of the year in this case. Appreciation/congratulation threads like this, while maintaining a positive spirit, don't completely exclude constructive criticism. Falstaft, Yavar Moradi and Joni Wiljami 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 13,360 Posted March 1 Popular Post Share Posted March 1 Do we need an IFMCA disenchentment thread? enderdrag64, Taikomochi and Richard P 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,267 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Already got one of those... no shortage of telling the critics what we think in the main thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,162 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I would gladly swap out any of nominated Oscar scores for Naoki Sato’s Godzilla Minus One. Nice to see his score was recognized by the IFMCA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,159 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 18 hours ago, Richard Penna said: it's a good score. I simply disagree that it's the best, But it is the best. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,360 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: But it is the best. A very good score to a very good film. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,159 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 41 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: A very good score to a very good film. I knew, that I can count on you. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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