Holdo's theme from TLJ deserves more

[artguy360 1,889]

I just came across this simple edit on YouTube playing Holdo's theme when she and Leia say goodbye to each other and the big climatic Holdo's Resolve music. This reoccurring motif popped up unexpectedly for me as I watched TLJ for the first time, and I instantly wanted more of this little gem. 

 

 

Unfortunately, I think the theme is very poorly represented in the OST although the big moment is edited into the end credits. From the way the motif is scored in the film, it kind of is the major musical propulsion for that whole middle segment of TLJ. I almost wish Holdo's Theme got the full concert arrangement treatment or at least better presentation on the OST. What do you, dearest JWfan reader, think?

[Tom 4,956]

Very nice theme.  Not sure why he didn't make a concert version.  He confuses me on that score often.  Qui-Gon's theme also begs for a concert version.  At least in that case of TPM, he already had several concert pieces.

 

Now that I am thinking about it, I hear a bit of Qui-Gon's theme in Holdo's.  Weird.  

[artguy360 1,889]

1 hour ago, Tom said:

Very nice theme.  Not sure why he didn't make a concert version.  He confuses me on that score often.  Qui-Gon's theme also begs for a concert version.  At least in that case, he already had several concert pieces.  

 

Now that I am thinking about it, I hear a bit of Qui-Gon's theme in Holdo's.  Weird.  

I hear the similarities in both themes as well. The little driving rhythm in the strings of Qui-Gon's theme are very similar to the propulsive brass of Holdo's theme.

[Davis 2,757]

I first read “Holko’s Theme” in the title. I thought: Wow, @Holko now has a theme?
 

Hey @HolkoCan’t you lighten up a bit, or is it just Sunday morning and you are sleepy? I was just kidding, why are you such a grumpy bear?

[Tydirium 1,224]

2 hours ago, Tom said:

Now that I am thinking about it, I hear a bit of Qui-Gon's theme in Holdo's.  Weird.  

 

That’s because it’s the same first few notes. Same with the Obi-Wan Kenobi show theme, the Ludlow motif, etc.

[HunterTech 1,161]

2 hours ago, Davis said:

Hey @Holko Can’t you lighten up a bit, or is it just Sunday morning and you are sleepy? I was just kidding, why are you such a grumpy bear?

 

Based on experience, I get the impression this isn't the first time he's been told that 

[Davis 2,757]

It never occurred to me. He doesn't particularly like me, so he must've thought I was deliberately teasing him. I wasn't. This time. Hehehe

 

(No, seriously, I wasn't. When I saw the thread title, I accidentally read his name, and since he is so into custom made edits, I thought he might also write music.)

[BB-8 3,819]

It has a more prominent appearance on the FYC download.

[Edmilson 8,520]

I really like when Holdo's theme appears here:

 

 

I'm thankful at least TLJ has the iso score to compensate for the unreleased material from the OST and FYC. It's always so sad when a theme gets misrepresented on the official release.

[GerateWohl 4,926]

5 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

I really like when Holdo's theme appears here:

 

 

I'm thankful at least TLJ has the iso score to compensate for the unreleased material from the OST and FYC. It's always so sad when a theme gets misrepresented on the official release.

It starts of like the force theme and I always wondered, what does Holdo have to do with the force?

[Yavar Moradi 2,872]

Agree this was a cool theme, sadly underrepresented on the album.

 

Yavar

[BB-8 3,819]

 

 

[artguy360 1,889]

1 hour ago, GerateWohl said:

It starts of like the force theme and I always wondered, what does Holdo have to do with the force?

Are you talking about the Resistance March theme in the 2nd half of the clip? I don't hear Holdo's theme in this video, but maybe I'm missing it.

[Taikomochi 1,184]

It’s literally the first notes of the track. It’s a very subtle statement. I didn’t notice it for a long time either.

[crocodile 8,365]

I also quite like this theme.

 

Karol

[Trope 706]

Anybody else think Holdo’s theme bears similarities in construction to Anthem of Evil? Here are a few excerpts from the OST:

 

TLJ Finale:

 

TLJ Chrome Dome:

 

 

TROS Anthem of Evil:

 

TROS Anthem of Evil:

 

TROS Finale:

 

 

I think the resemblance is mainly due to the fact that both are constructed atop a static bassline/harmony, and the contour of the melody is similar across both themes (leaping, using similar intervals). I really like both!

[Tom 4,956]

Damn, not sure how I missed that--strikingly similar.  Anthem of Evil Holdo.  

[Muad'Dib 1,848]

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Holdo's theme from TLJ deserves more

 

[Taikomochi 1,184]

14 hours ago, Trope said:

Anybody else think Holdo’s theme bears similarities in construction to Anthem of Evil? Here are a few excerpts from the OST:

 

TLJ Finale:

TLJ Chrome Dome:

 

TROS Anthem of Evil:

TROS Anthem of Evil:

TROS Finale:

 

I think the resemblance is mainly due to the fact that both are constructed atop a static bassline/harmony, and the contour of the melody is similar across both themes (leaping, using similar intervals). I really like both!

The Obi Wan theme also opens similarly imo. I feel like the opening gesture of these themes is one Williams has seemingly become enamored with in his late period.

[Trope 706]

38 minutes ago, Taikomochi said:

The Obi Wan theme also opens similarly imo. I feel like the opening gesture of these themes is one Williams has seemingly become enamored with in his late period.

Yes, in fact the opening phrase of the Obi-Wan theme is identical to the TLJ Resistance escape motif (or whatever it is called) and very similar to a motif from The Post. Others have already mentioned how similar ideas can be heard in earlier scores like The Lost World (Ludlow’s End), TPM (Qui-Gon’s theme) and Philosopher’s Stone (The Quidditch Match). 

[mrbellamy 6,634]

Kinda fun that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon's themes begin similarly