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The Rings of Power: The Chronological Score and Unused Music Thread


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On 06/09/2024 at 7:05 PM, Knight of Ren said:

Concerning Stoors [0:33 –4:51] (the episode cuts out the section from 2:47 to 4:02)

 

So here's an epiphany I had.  The section you say is not used, is the EXACT same section that is 1:1 identical to the concert arrangement.

 

So what if what's actually happening, is that 0:33-2:47 is a cue from the episode, and 4:03-4:51 is another cue from later in the episode, and when putting the episode album together, he decided to just throw in some of the concert arrangement there, just to make the track more interesting to listen to?

 

I haven't seen the episode yet, but if the footage in between the 0:33-2:47 cue and the 4:03-4:51 cue is not the same length as what's on the album from 2:47-4:03, or if that music wouldn't fit the scene there, then that might be what happened!

 

Which could also mean that some of the other passages of "unused" music found on the episode albums might possibly be stuff he included just for listening purposes too, and not music simply dialed out.  Who knows!

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So, what I meant by cut out is that is that in the episode, the music jumps from 2:47 to 4:03, so there isn't any footage between those two timestamps. I thought it could be because at first the scene was longer, but now I also think that perhaps it was released with that extra section for a better listening experience. Same thing happens with Caras Gaer omitting a section that I think is taken from the Rhûn track of the season release.

 

And that's not the same situation as the cues where I wrote unused, as at least most of those are fragments of the piece that are silenced in the episode but actually fit within the scenes they would have underscored.

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Oh well there you go, that basically confirms it! 

 

And yes, I'm sure that most of the other music on the episode albums that isn't used was written for the episodes then just dialed out, but there could be some others like this one. Well, it sounds like you identified one already with that Rhun bit. I'll check it out tomorrow!

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16 hours ago, tomsmoviemadness said:

Am I correct in thinking that the episode 5 album is the first episodic album that's chronological?

 

Nope.

 

The Season 1, episode 6 album is chronological.  So is Season 1, episode 7. 

 

And Season 2, episode 2.  And Season 2, episode 3.

 

It's all in my google doc

 

16 hours ago, tomsmoviemadness said:

I believe there are also less unused moments of music.

 

The episode 3 album had no unused music at all!

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Added to the main post my chrono breakdown of episode 5!

 

Episode 5 - Halls of Stone

Spoiler

Main Title

Seven for the Dwarf Lords [0:00 – 0:59] (the RoP statement at 0:46 is dialed out)

Seven for the Dwarf Lords [0:59 – End] (the section from 0:59 to 1:17 is different in episode)

Unveiling the Doors of Durin [0:00 – 1:22]

Unveiling the Doors of Durin [1:22 – End]

Gazing to Eressëa [0:00 – 2:12]

Gazing to Eressëa [2:12 – 4:25]

Gazing to Eressëa [4:25 – End]

Gil-galad’s Vision

Disa in the Depths [0:00 – 0:24]

Disa in the Depths [0:24 – 3:05] (the section from 0:24 to 1:17 is unused, and then the Khazad-dûm statement at 1:20 is dialed out)

Disa in the Depths [3:05 – End]

Mirdania Emerges [0:00 – 1:52]

Mirdania Emerges [1:52 – End]

Assault on the Faithful

Deceit in the Craft

Sauron’s Design

 

I'm not entirely sure about what's going on with the section from 0:59 to 1:17 of Seven Dwarf Lords and the section from 0:24 to 1:51 of Disa in the Depths. In the first one it seems like that section dials out the Khazad-dûm theme in favor of some more non-descript underscore, and same thing happens with that theme at 1:20 in Disa in the Depths. But then there's also the Durin theme at 0:24 which doesn't seem to fit anywhere in the scene, so I don't know where that would fit.

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Interesting!  If I have time this fall, I want to go through every episode and compare them to the albums myself.  I'll see what I think of it

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3 minutes ago, Jay said:

What do you mean by "separate"?

I think possibly an "is" got lost in his post, so it should be: "that is separate", meaning "that is from somewhere else"

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Probably won't be able to watch the remaining episodes and do the chrono breakdown till the end of the week but judging by the differences of the season release tracks and the episode album tracks, and all the comments, it seems like it's REALLY fragmented on the actual show. I actually don't mind this if it benefits the listening experience, but it's true that it can be a bit of a headache to sort through if you want to get the proper chronological breakdown, hahaha!

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Yeah. There's khazad-dûm music in the first 5 or so minutes of the episode, yet no khazad-dûm music on the episode 7 album until like 16 minutes into it. And I think I remember hearing some music that wasn't released at all.

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Episode 8 album is complete chronological. No cuts between tracks.

 

Some pauses inbetween cues at points, but not a lot.

 

And after seeing the episode, I actually think Shadow And Flame plays very well as one track.

But if there would be a cut it would've been best just before the Galadriel statement at 9:54

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2 hours ago, tomsmoviemadness said:

I actually think Shadow And Flame plays very well as one cue.

 

Not one cue. Several cues combined together to make one track.

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2 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Not one cue. Several cues combined together to make one track.

One sequence (or however you label several cues that segue together in a film/episode)

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Oh I see. Yeah, I'm not sure if there's a word to describe a series of cues playing back to back in a film intentionally. I guess "continuous musical sequence" is the best I can come up with.

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Finally got to watch episode 6 and I was able to do my chrono breakdown. Some cues are a lot longer in episode but in general, the missing material is non-descript underscore, so nothing really important is missing.

 

Episode 6 - Where is He?

Spoiler

Main Title

Celebrimbor’s Burden [0:00 – 0:30]

Celebrimbor’s Burden [0:30 – 1:25]

Celebrimbor’s Burden [1:25 – End]

The Crown of Morgoth

Accused in Númenor (the section from 0:42 to 1:13 is unused in the show)

The Secret Fire [0:00 – 1:15] (the first 30 seconds are either dialed out or different in episode)

The Secret Fire [1:15 – 2:42]

The Secret Fire [2:42 – End]

Tempest of Bats [0:00 – 1:17]

Tempest of Bats [1:17 – 3:20] (the section from 1:35 to 2:06 is unused in the show)

Trial by Abyss [0:00 – 1:40]

Tempest of Bats [3:20 – 4:02] (the section from 3:51 to 4:02 is unused in the show)

Tempest of Bats [4:02 – End]

Trial by Abyss [1:40 – 4:05]

Trial by Abyss [4:05 – End]

The Legions of Adar [0:00 – 4:16]

The Legions of Adar [4:16 – End]

Sauron’s Illusion

The Siege Begins

Credits – Eregion

 

Updated the main post with this. And whenever I'm able to watch the remaining two episodes I will also post my breakdown here!

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Wait, a "lot longer"? Really?

 

I concur that the episode 8 album is already completely chronological.

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With a lot longer I mean that there are some cues which contain material not on the releases, like for example with Celebrimbor's Burden, where the episode features like 2 minutes of extra music in between thematic statements. It has happened the whole season, but I particularly noticed it in this episode a bit more.

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Shadow and Flame definitely only goes up to 9:54, then there's no music for a bit, then Galadriel's theme kicks off the final chunk of contiguous music

 

That episode 7 breakdown is nuts!  Definitely the episode that Bear spent THE most time re-arranging for listening

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So besides "The Sun Yet Shines," is there anything else that's microedited on the episode albums, but not on the season albums?

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Your spreadsheet is missing that Dwarven Loyalty in ep 7 is microedited to miss a section at 4:33 that is on the season album (unless I am misreading)

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I don't think I noticed a difference there when I compared them!  I'll check it out!

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