GerateWohl 5,420 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Chewy said: I honestly like the new cover art, much much better than the OST cover! That's unusual by the way. I thought Intrada uses always the OST cover. Seems tha thought was wrong. But was there any JW release by Intrada before, that didn't use the OST cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,693 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, GerateWohl said: was there any JW release by Intrada before, that didn't use the OST cover? Jaws, though the OST cover is included on the back cover of the booklet Yavar Moradi and GerateWohl 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,420 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, Jay said: Jaws, though the OST cover is included on the back cover of the booklet Right! And Jaws 2 as well. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 9,622 Posted January 8 Popular Post Share Posted January 8 26 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Idk why Intrada doesn't just hire me to do the covers. "Mel Gobson" Andy, BB-8, Trope and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,416 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Jamie Dutton said: Nothing wrong with the album but I'm sure the longer version is great. I'm the opposite with the movie. I prefer the theatrical cut. The extended version I remember had a scene with bodies going down the river that Spielberg ripped off in WOTW and maybe even had similar music? Music-wise I definitely prefer the theatrical. The "extended" version has a handful of nice compelling scenes. But the tracked-in music for those scenes is not handled very smoothly. Pretty jarring in most cases. The bodies in the river scene you mentioned was one I remember having music that didn't fit the scene particularly well (portions of "The Family Farm" I wanna say?) Wonder if Williams actually composed music for them and we'll get to hear it on this release?? Chris ChrusherComix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 2,050 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 lets hope, at least some unused music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,755 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Looking forward to this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bruce marshall 1,403 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 Horrible film. Just embarrassingly bad! How much you want to bet Thor loves it? Chris ChrusherComix, Taikomochi and bollemanneke 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,696 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 It's one of my favorite movies bruce marshall and Chris ChrusherComix 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,190 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I saw it twice at the pictures. Chris ChrusherComix, Jamie Dutton and bruce marshall 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quppa 205 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 @BrotherSound's estimate of the unused material. Like others I hope CD #3 isn't just the OST. I've never watched the film - I guess this is a good excuse to do so. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Jamie Dutton 7,696 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 bruce marshall, BB-8 and Chris ChrusherComix 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,190 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I remember it was fashionable to pick on this movie on other forums back in 2000. Especially snooty innercity Australian sorts I chatted with back then. Chris ChrusherComix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,696 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 "Can you believe The Americans really think this happened?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,190 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Their irrational resentment towards it back then was palpable. The Williams score annoyed them, too. Chris ChrusherComix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,403 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 It was originally going to be about a real person, Francis Marion " The Swamp Fox". That might have been a better idea instead of a fictional version Marion was a childhood hero . We weren't told he was a slave holder and Indian killer in those more innocent times . Just like British school children were not told that British Colonial rule wasn't benevolent 3 minutes ago, The Train Station said: Their irrational resentment towards it back then was palpable. The Williams score annoyed them, too. Iirc the British press slammed it for portraying the Brits as brutal killers instead of the kind rulers of a grateful nation they were in reality. 😎 29 minutes ago, Jamie Dutton said: " I toast Thor for his courage in the face of constant ridicule" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,696 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,403 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, Jamie Dutton said: Who? Thor I just checked out FSM and, sure enough, he DOES love it !😄 Don't you ever change, Thor!😍😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,696 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Who?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lady Dimitrescu 9,190 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 It's really hard to gauge Thor's taste because he pretty much likes everything for simply existing. When someone exhibits that level of excessive enthusiasm towards mediocrity, it's hard to trust their opinion because they talk up films that are rather mid as if they're inimitable masterpieces, and you quickly end up disregarding their recommendations. Jamie Dutton, Corellian2019 and Chris ChrusherComix 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,403 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Well...lots of folks other than Thor have expressed fondness for THE IDIOT. One has to question THEIR qualifications. Chris ChrusherComix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,190 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Not a fan of Kurosawa? bruce marshall and Chris ChrusherComix 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,403 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Thor has found his soulmate 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,155 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 @John Takis did you happen to interview Roland Emmerich or Mel Gibson as part of the new album's liner notes? Knowing how much Emmerich worships Spielberg, it must have been quite a thrill when Williams agreed to score his film. I'd also completely forgotten David Arnold was originally attached to this... not that I expect that whole saga to be covered in the notes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,190 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I doubt Emmerich would give a toss. It's usually Dean Devlin who's eager to make himself available for comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A. A. Ron 2,123 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 Another take on the cover. Yavar Moradi, Andy, Chris ChrusherComix and 11 others 4 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,420 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I like the new cover from Intrada. Just wonder why Mel Gibson's name is bigger than John Williams'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 15,155 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I like the new cover from Intrada. Just wonder why Mel Gibson's name is bigger than John Williams'. There will be a contractual requirement that Gibson's credit needs to be x% size on the merchandise. Same as the OST cover and Braveheart LLL cover. That_Bloke, GerateWohl, Richard P and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 13,910 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 14 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I like the new cover from Intrada. Just wonder why Mel Gibson's name is bigger than John Williams'. He's the patriot. GerateWohl, mstrox and Chris ChrusherComix 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,496 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 47 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I like the new cover from Intrada. Just wonder why Mel Gibson's name is bigger than John Williams'. You know what they say: big name, small… Sunshine Reger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 8,849 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 5 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Thor I just checked out FSM and, sure enough, he DOES love it !😄 Don't you ever change, Thor!😍😉 That's right. Love the film. As I said on FSM: What's not to like? Stupendously gorgeous cinematography by Caleb Deschanel -- sweltering summer heat, particles in the air, lots of mud and texture and tactility in the fights and battles. Very strong performances by Gibson and Ledger, but particularly Gibson. Raw, visceral, subdued intensity that eventually boils over when the pain becomes intolerable. A deliciously psychopathic bad guy in Jason Isaacs that keeps the antagonist energy going. A very fine score by the greatest film composer who ever lived. Not a masterpiece or anything, but an excellent, supremely underrated film. Four out of five stars. Sunshine Reger, MrJosh, StarFox and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 It's a much better film than Braveheart, for example. A. A. Ron, Sunshine Reger, filmmusic and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 4,225 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 hours ago, Jamie Dutton said: Chris ChrusherComix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bigjimwilson 284 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 Everyone whining about the (probable) inclusion of the OST needs to remember 99% of the time it's contractual. So it's that or nothing. Marian Schedenig, That_Bloke, Davis and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,433 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, crumbs said: There will be a contractual requirement that Gibson's credit needs to be x% size on the merchandise. Same as the OST cover and Braveheart LLL cover. I reckon Tom Cruise has something similar, given his face covers the posters of many of his films. In this case it may have limited the choice of art Intrada could use, if Gibson's face wasn't a sufficient percentage of the cover. That's a move by an actor who knows they are the star of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,866 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 15 minutes ago, bigjimwilson said: Everyone whining about the (probable) inclusion of the OST needs to remember 99% of the time it's contractual. So it's that or nothing. It isn't for most of the JW expansions, see the post about it above. Also Roger said on FB it was a "creative decision". Across all recent expansions the only two times the disc count was bumped up purely to add the OST were Superman (has an alternate section that could have been included on disc 2 instead of edits, eh) Spacecamp (completely superfluous, disc 1 even recreates the album edits, except to preserve the worse old mastering) and now Patriot which will likely really not sound all that different so again completely unnecessary. All the other times it was only included when it had specifically recorded material or the already necessary disc amount left enough space for it. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,433 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 If the OST has been rebuilt from the same session materials it can be good to have everything in the same quality. With Mike as producer, that seems more likely for this one. But I agree that in many cases it's just not needed. Elfman's apparent mandate feels to me like it's a slightly passive aggressive 'suggestion' to the listener that amongst the complete score he still wants you to listen to his album. I don't see the need at all for it on Spidey 1. Sleepy Hollow is theoretically a good one to include to due a ton of unique takes and mixes, but how many people would buy a 3 or 4 CD set and not own the OST? But... with the efforts the labels to go to get these out, I think it's a rather small-fry issue of complaint. Chris ChrusherComix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,866 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Richard P said: but how many people would buy a 3 or 4 CD set and not own the OST? Those who don't care about it. So no need to include it for them either. Chris ChrusherComix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,849 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Sometimes, the OST is rare and hard to find. Wherever one is on the OST vs. C&C scale, it always makes sense to include it. Chris ChrusherComix and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 13,910 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 It definitely makes sense to include the OST if the sound quality is improved and there's unique album edits. Andy, Chris ChrusherComix, mstrox and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 9,622 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Why The Patriot OST isn't on streaming services is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,338 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Holko said: Across all recent expansions the only two times the disc count was bumped up purely to add the OST were Superman (has an alternate section that could have been included on disc 2 instead of edits, eh) Spacecamp (completely superfluous, disc 1 even recreates the album edits, except to preserve the worse old mastering) and now Patriot which will likely really not sound all that different so again completely unnecessary. The reason to have Superman OST on set which I had personally championed for is that its a unique 2LP program that made the first official release on cd in US because the previous edition in USA was 2 tracks short because of the CD format limitations in its infancy. 2ndly the album was so burned in our memories that it had to be preserved in a new cleaned up mastering. It had won 2 Grammy awards! in 1979 and in 1980. The WAR OF THE WOLRDS OST mix wasn't that great either and the redux simply blows it away and I still enjoy it has a listening program. Chris ChrusherComix and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,385 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 6 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: Another take on the cover. This is exceptional! Where did you find it? I bet it would be even better in color. I was just thinking the other day, that a Drew Struzan type of poster for the film would be great. Chris ChrusherComix and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badzeee 123 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Whoa. This is unexpected. (I wasn't keeping my ear to the ground.) Unexpected, and welcome! I have some ambivalence about the original OST release. I like the music well enough - it's JW - but each track feels oddly disconnected from the next, so perhaps it's the sequencing. I admit, it's not one of JW's that I listen to that often. This release - 3 CDs! - will allow me to get to know it better. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WampaRat 1,416 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, filmmusic said: This is exceptional! Where did you find it? I bet it would be even better in color. I was just thinking the other day, that a Drew Struzan type of poster for the film would be great. I thought it might be Tony Stella but Its by Hans Woody. The color version is gorgeous btw. Has a stunning throwback vibe. Reminds me of Al Pacino's little seen film, "Revolution". A. A. Ron, Andy, filmmusic and 5 others 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 4,225 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Ah, well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bruce marshall 1,403 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 6 hours ago, bigjimwilson said: Everyone whining about the (probable) inclusion of the OST needs to remember 99% of the time it's contractual. So it's that or nothing. No. It isn't It's optional The problem isn't so much including the ost, it's the DUPLICATION of material. There is an easy solution to this: ost plus unreleased cues OR complete score presentations plus unique album versions. bollemanneke, GerateWohl and Smeltington 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,412 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 9 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: Another take on the cover. Any chance of using the colored version from this below? 56 minutes ago, WampaRat said: If so, I may very well use that as the cover art for my Apple Music Library when I receive it. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A. A. Ron 2,123 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 Can't believe I failed to find the color version! Revised cover: filmmusic, Holko, WampaRat and 10 others 4 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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