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The Patriot (Intrada) 3CD Set


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1 hour ago, Chewy said:

 

I honestly like the new cover art, much much better than the OST cover!

That's unusual by the way. I thought Intrada uses always the OST cover. 

Seems tha thought was wrong. But was there any JW release by Intrada before, that didn't use the OST cover?

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1 minute ago, GerateWohl said:

was there any JW release by Intrada before, that didn't use the OST cover?

 

Jaws, though the OST cover is included on the back cover of the booklet

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1 hour ago, Jamie Dutton said:

Nothing wrong with the album but I'm sure the longer version is great. I'm the opposite with the movie. I prefer the theatrical cut. The extended version I remember had a scene with bodies going down the river that Spielberg ripped off in WOTW and maybe even had similar music?

Music-wise I definitely prefer the theatrical. The "extended" version has a handful of nice compelling scenes. But the tracked-in music for those scenes is not handled very smoothly. Pretty jarring in most cases. The bodies in the river scene you mentioned was one I remember having music that didn't fit the scene particularly well (portions of "The Family Farm" I wanna say?) Wonder if Williams actually composed music for them and we'll get to hear it on this release??

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It was originally going to be about a real person, Francis Marion " The Swamp Fox".

That might have been a better idea instead of a fictional version 

Marion was a childhood hero .

We weren't told he was a slave holder and Indian killer in those more innocent times . Just like British school children were not told that British Colonial rule wasn't benevolent 

3 minutes ago, The Train Station said:

Their irrational resentment towards it back then was palpable. The Williams score annoyed them, too.

Iirc the British press slammed it for portraying the Brits as brutal killers instead of the kind rulers of a grateful nation they were in reality. 😎 

29 minutes ago, Jamie Dutton said:

Happy Hour Wtf GIF

" I toast Thor for his courage in the face of constant ridicule"

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@John Takis did you happen to interview Roland Emmerich or Mel Gibson as part of the new album's liner notes? Knowing how much Emmerich worships Spielberg, it must have been quite a thrill when Williams agreed to score his film.

 

I'd also completely forgotten David Arnold was originally attached to this... not that I expect that whole saga to be covered in the notes!

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47 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

I like the new cover from Intrada.

Just wonder why Mel Gibson's name is bigger than John Williams'.

You know what they say: big name, small…  

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2 hours ago, crumbs said:

 

There will be a contractual requirement that Gibson's credit needs to be x% size on the merchandise.

 

Same as the OST cover and Braveheart LLL cover.

 

I reckon Tom Cruise has something similar, given his face covers the posters of many of his films.

 

In this case it may have limited the choice of art Intrada could use, if Gibson's face wasn't a sufficient percentage of the cover. That's a move by an actor who knows they are the star of the film.

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15 minutes ago, bigjimwilson said:

Everyone whining about the (probable) inclusion of the OST needs to remember 99% of the time it's contractual. So it's that or nothing. 

It isn't for most of the JW expansions, see the post about it above. Also Roger said on FB it was a "creative decision". Across all recent expansions the only two times the disc count was bumped up purely to add the OST were Superman (has an alternate section that could have been included on disc 2 instead of edits, eh) Spacecamp (completely superfluous, disc 1 even recreates the album edits, except to preserve the worse old mastering) and now Patriot which will likely really not sound all that different so again completely unnecessary. All the other times it was only included when it had specifically recorded material or the already necessary disc amount left enough space for it.

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If the OST has been rebuilt from the same session materials it can be good to have everything in the same quality. With Mike as producer, that seems more likely for this one.

 

But I agree that in many cases it's just not needed. Elfman's apparent mandate feels to me like it's a slightly passive aggressive 'suggestion' to the listener that amongst the complete score he still wants you to listen to his album. I don't see the need at all for it on Spidey 1. Sleepy Hollow is theoretically a good one to include to due a ton of unique takes and mixes, but how many people would buy a 3 or 4 CD set and not own the OST?

 

But... with the efforts the labels to go to get these out, I think it's a rather small-fry issue of complaint.

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Just now, Richard P said:

but how many people would buy a 3 or 4 CD set and not own the OST?

Those who don't care about it. So no need to include it for them either.

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2 hours ago, Holko said:

Across all recent expansions the only two times the disc count was bumped up purely to add the OST were Superman (has an alternate section that could have been included on disc 2 instead of edits, eh) Spacecamp (completely superfluous, disc 1 even recreates the album edits, except to preserve the worse old mastering) and now Patriot which will likely really not sound all that different so again completely unnecessary. 

 

The reason to have Superman OST on set which I had personally championed for is that its a unique 2LP program that made the first official release on cd in US because the previous edition in USA was 2 tracks short because of the CD format limitations in its infancy.

 

2ndly the album was so burned in our memories that it had to be preserved in a new cleaned up mastering. It  had won 2 Grammy awards! in 1979 and in 1980.

 

The WAR OF THE WOLRDS OST mix wasn't that great  either and the redux simply blows it away and I still enjoy it has a listening program.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

Another take on the cover.

 

The Patriot v2.png

This is exceptional!

Where did you find it? I bet it would be even better in color.

I was just thinking the other day, that a Drew Struzan type of poster for the film would be great.

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Whoa. This is unexpected. (I wasn't keeping my ear to the ground.) Unexpected, and welcome!

 

I have some ambivalence about the original OST release. I like the music well enough - it's JW - but each track feels oddly disconnected from the next, so perhaps it's the sequencing. I admit, it's not one of JW's that I listen to that often. This release - 3 CDs! - will allow me to get to know it better. 

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9 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

Another take on the cover.

 

The Patriot v2.png

 

Any chance of using the colored version from this below?

56 minutes ago, WampaRat said:


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If so, I may very well use that as the cover art for my Apple Music Library when I receive it.

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