The Patriot (Intrada) 3CD Set

[Holko 11,062]

7 minutes ago, Meredith McKay said:

• Death Of Gabriel • 4:18
• Martin Rejoins The Troops • 1:13
• Preparing For Battle (Film Version) • 3:48
• Tavington’s Premature Charge • 0:50
• Martin Sets The Trap • 2:14
• The British Counter-Attack • 3:01
• Martin Vs. Tavington (Film Version) • 3:22
• Yorktown And The Return Home (Film Version) • 5:24
• The Patriot (End Titles) • 7:43
• The Family Farm (Alternate) • 3:02
• Redcoats In The Cornfield (Alternate) • 1:24
• The Death Of Thomas (Alternate) • 4:21
• Rough Fighter Recruited (Alternate) • 1:47
• To Gullah Maroon (Alternate) • 1:17
• The Wedding (Alternate) • 1:32
• The Patriot Returns • 1:07
• Martin Sets The Trap (Alternate) • 2:11
• Martin Vs. Tavington (Alternate Segment) • 1:02
• Yorktown And The Return Home (Alternate Segment) • 2:20
• The Patriot (Alternate) • 6:30
• The British Grenadiers • 2:51
• Prince Eugene’s March • 1:01
• Yankee Doodle • 0:56
• Tavern Tune No. 1 • 0:58
• Tavern Tune No. 2 • 1:49
• Colonial Camp Tune • 2:56
• Violin Concerto In E Major (Allegro Assai) (J.S. Bach) • 2:49
• Ann’s Wedding Celebration • 1:57
• The British Grenadiers And Battlefield Drums • 1:33

 

 

Hmm, after CE3K and Hook, any specific reason why the alternates/source aren't already presented in the combined order on disc?

[Meredith McKay 7,349]

2 minutes ago, Holko said:

 

 

Hmm, after CE3K and Hook, any specific reason why the alternates/source aren't already presented in the combined order on disc?

[JohnnyD 1,453]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

The Legacy of John Williams has debuted the tracklist and a track sample exclusively at their website!

 

https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2025/01/17/exclusive-preview-the-patriot/

AWESOME!!!

[WampaRat 1,467]

 

1 hour ago, Jay said:

The Legacy of John Williams has debuted the tracklist and a track sample exclusively at their website!

 

https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2025/01/17/exclusive-preview-the-patriot/

Well well well! 
This is terrific news for my Friday afternoon 

[JohnnyD 1,453]

Holy crap, all those sections previewed show the music sounds phenomenal and beautifully remastered! Also, a major revelation for me was when they played the section of Martin Sets the Trap. All these years, I always thought that a specific section in the film during that scene was tracked from a section of the next cue, as the section on the original album (Preparing for Battle, 1:14 to 1:40) was very different. The section I am referring to that I thought was tracked but I now see was a new performance for the film is The Colonial Cause, 1:50 to 2:22. So glad my presumption was wrong!

 

Also, another revelation was that the Maestro utilized 16 piccolos! I never knew just how many were performing for the End Credits; that is awesome.

[Luke Skywalker 2,070]

Nice tracklist!

 

Is "The Patriot Returns" an alternate-unused cue or a film cue relegated to the bonus section per Williams request?

[Jay 41,273]

It's the original version of Martin Rejoins The Troops and it was on the OST album

 

One of the rare cases of Williams coming up with a different title for a revised cue, and one of the rare cases of Williams putting two versions of a cue on the OST album.

[Meredith McKay 7,349]

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

It's the original version of Martin Rejoins The Troops and it was on the OST album

 

One of the rare cases of Williams coming up with a different title for a revised cue

Sort of like The Old Priest vs. Old Priests Tale from TOD?

[Jay 41,273]

Yep

[pete 1,050]

I had no idea that was the British pronunciation of "patriot". As an Aussie, I assumed I was familiar with most Brit/US pronunciation differences. My mind is blown. Having said that, the adjective form "patriotic" sounds right to my ears with both pronunciations, but actually the word "patriot" doesn't. Wow, what a morning!

[Bounty95 575]

I was casually listening to the episode when driving to work this morning and man, the samples blew me and my car's speakers away! I can't wait to listen to the whole thing!

 

And I love these little teases in the end, like when they said that Mike and John will be back in a future episode to talk about "hopefully, fingers crossed, a few other things" with "great things to come".

[WampaRat 1,467]

Alrighty. For those who wanted a cover without a large looming Gibson on the cover, here's my stab at it:
 

EDITED

 

 

[Holko 11,062]

For a few days I was a lot more hyped fpr Dark Crystal than for this. It's old news by now! Then this mini-episode brought it back, now they're equal. This sounds like it'll be a fantastic score and release. (And then the hype will die down again by the time the filthy global shipping companies decide to finally drag their asses over here with it)

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,305]

The Dark Crystal is too complete.

[crumbs 15,246]

That final source track (D2T29 British Grenadiers and Battlefield Drums) is intriguing.

 

This cue (8M9 Battle Drums) runs just shy of 2 minutes in the film, but the Intrada version runs only 1:33. There's also no British Grenadiers in this sequence but judging by the track title it's been appended to this cue on the Intrada (unless it's hidden within the march?)

 

Is the runtime of this track a typo by any chance? Otherwise I wonder if this cue has been microedited?

 

I checked if the track runtimes added up to the album runtime totals and they didn't quite match either, but that might just be gaps between tracks adding to the overall runtime.

[Luke Skywalker 2,070]

maybe the drums are looped in the film?

[crumbs 15,246]

2 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

maybe the drums are looped in the film?

 

We have the sheet music for this cue and it matches the film. JW even included notations for when each side of the battle stops and starts.

[Richard P 4,517]

You've missed the memo at FSM that we should ignore what's in the film  

[bollemanneke 3,822]

Does the OST offer anything that is not on discs 1 and 2?

[Richard P 4,517]

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There would be no way to program "The Patriot" OST from the expanded score presentation.

 

From Neil's post about halfway down.

[Holko 11,062]

Sure, it has cue combinations/edits like the godawful overlaying of Grenadiers over a cue, but could you recreate it from disc 1 and 2 or does it have any actual different takes?

[TownerFan 5,554]

16 hours ago, Smeltington said:

Hmm they may want to start the disc 2 numbering from 1 instead of 30, especially to make Mike's alternate tracklist make sense.

 

It was an error, sorry for that. We rushed a bit to make it on time. It's now corrected.

 

Hope you're enjoying the preview!

[filmmusic 2,456]

Do we know which source music exactly is composed by John Williams and which is not?

 

[JohnnyD 1,453]

Tavern Tune No. 1 & No. 2, Colonial Camp Tune, Anne’s Wedding Celebration, and Battlefield Drums are all composed by John Williams.

[filmmusic 2,456]

9 minutes ago, JohnnyD said:

Tavern Tune No. 1 & No. 2, Colonial Camp Tune, Anne’s Wedding, and Battlefield Drums are all composed by John Williams.

Thanks, but what is the source of this information?

 

[JohnnyD 1,453]

The other source music are traditional pieces and one composed by Bach, so process of elimination and common sense dictate.

Also, those pieces composed by John Williams are not pre-existing music. Besides, The Wedding segues beautifully into Anne’s Wedding Celebration in the film.

[Richard P 4,517]

2 hours ago, Holko said:

Sure, it has cue combinations/edits like the godawful overlaying of Grenadiers over a cue, but could you recreate it from disc 1 and 2 or does it have any actual different takes?

 

I took 'no way to program' to mean that it contains material or takes not on discs 1 or 2. Maybe Neil meant more literally that you can't make the OST just by selecting individual tracks, but that would be the case for most scores.

[bollemanneke 3,822]

3 hours ago, Holko said:

Sure, it has cue combinations/edits like the godawful overlaying of Grenadiers over a cue, but could you recreate it from disc 1 and 2 or does it have any actual different takes?

I have to remember that phrase, "godawful overlaying". Easily one of the major problems with every JW OST.

[Holko 11,062]

Really? I don't really remember it from any other OST of his.

[BrotherSound 2,479]

2 hours ago, filmmusic said:

Thanks, but what is the source of this information?

 

 

The sheet music shows those are all JW compositions. For example:

 

 

The “JW” and “BMI” wouldn’t be written at the top right otherwise.

[filmmusic 2,456]

32 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

The sheet music shows those are all JW compositions.

Yes, but it shows his name on non-John Williams compositions too.

(eg. 2m2A British Grenadiers)

That's why I asked.

 

edit: although it doesn't show BMI.

[BrotherSound 2,479]

22 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

Yes, but it shows his name on non-John Williams compositions too.

(eg. 2m2A British Grenadiers)

That's why I asked.

 

edit: although it doesn't show BMI.

It actually shows “Arr. JW” (Arranged by John Williams):

 

[filmmusic 2,456]

Just now, BrotherSound said:

It actually shows “Arr. JW” (Arranged by John Williams:

ah, that doodle says "arr."?

How would I know? 

[Davis 3,731]

On 17/1/2025 at 5:18 AM, crumbs said:

Here's my custom cover

 

 

Much better than Intrada’s cover or even the original poster. 

[John Takis 352]

5 hours ago, Holko said:

...does [the album] have any actual different takes?

 

"The Patriot" and "The Patriot Reprise" on the album both use the same alternate take compared to the versions on Disc 2. "The Family Farm" on Disc 3 is an alternate that is exclusive to the album presentation.

[Jay 41,273]

7 minutes ago, John Takis said:

"The Patriot" and "The Patriot Returns"

 

I assume you meant "The Patriot Reprise"?

[John Takis 352]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

I assume you meant "The Patriot Reprise"?

 

Yes indeed! Fixed.

[Holko 11,062]

Okay, now it's a different story. Discs 1 and 2 are already packed and some alternates are already just alternate segments (I assume just the inserts) in order to make it all fit, and it still overflows onto disc 3 but an alternate is covered by the OST so that then solves that, makes it seem like a bit fuller package than it would with a 2/3rds full disc 1 and 2 and a 50 minute disc 3 of alts and source.

[Davis 3,731]

25 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

I assume you meant "The Patriot Reprise"?

“The Patriot Theme Returns”

[bollemanneke 3,822]

3 hours ago, Holko said:

Really? I don't really remember it from any other OST of his.

There is a horrid one in Home Alone and in Finale on HP3. But yes, I might have been too harsh.

[Jurassic Shark 14,216]

16 minutes ago, Davis said:

“The Patriot Theme Strikes Back”

 

20 hours ago, JohnnyD said:

all those sections previewed show the music sounds phenomenal and beautifully restored!

 

Well, it's not like they started out with a 78 record full of pops and crackles.

[Tom 5,336]

1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

 

Well, it's not like they started out with a 78 record full of pops and crackles.

Don't forgot the snaps.  

[Meredith McKay 7,349]

1 hour ago, bollemanneke said:

There is a horrid one in Home Alone and in Finale on HP3. But yes, I might have been too harsh.

What overlays are in Finale from HP3? Are you thinking about crossfades?

[bollemanneke 3,822]

2 hours ago, Meredith McKay said:

What overlays are in Finale from HP3? Are you thinking about crossfades?

My mistake, sorry. Crossfades indeed.

[Holko 11,062]

Yeah, I called it overlay because I think grenadiers properly plays over a different cue with a different tempo for a bit, it's more than just a long crossfade

[Tom 5,336]

10 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

My mistake, sorry. Crossfades indeed.

I was once caught in the middle of a crossfade, but it ended quietly enough.   

[BrotherSound 2,479]

For those curious exactly what’s new, I’ve attempted to highlight the unreleased material, as best as I can tell:

 

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CD 1 SCORE PRESENTATION

The Family Farm (The Patriot Main Title)** • 3:03

The North Star* • 1:58

To Charleston • 2:14

Addressing The Assembly* • 2:45

The Defeat At Charleston** • 3:08

Walking Among The Fallen* • 1:21

Redcoats In The Cornfield* • 1:22

The Death Of Thomas • 4:14

The First Ambush** • 3:17

Martin Leaves The Family* • 3:11

Reading The War Map* • 1:35

Colonel And Corporal* • 1:52

Ann Recruits The Parishioners • 3:08

Rough Fighter Recruited* • 1:41

Villeneuve’s Training • 1:33

Ann And Gabriel (Extended Version)** • 4:45

Tavington’s Ambush And Remembering The Wilderness** • 4:11

Martin To The Stockade* • 1:31

Tavington Vs. Martin* • 1:54

The Burning Of The Plantation (Film Version)** • 5:06

To Gullah Maroon* • 1:46

Burnt-Out House / Susan And Father* • 2:27

The Wedding* • 1:33

Susan Speaks • 3:15

The Parisians Return* • 1:34

The Parish Church Aflame (Film Version) • 3:10

The Burnt-Out Church* • 1:21

Gabriel’s Last Fight** • 2:33

Mortally Wounded* • 2:30
CD 1 Total Time: 75:24
 

CD 2 SCORE PRESENTATION (Continued)

Death Of Gabriel* • 4:18

Martin Rejoins The Troops** • 1:13

Preparing For Battle (Film Version) • 3:48

Tavington’s Premature Charge • 0:50

Martin Sets The Trap • 2:14

The British Counter-Attack** • 3:01

Martin Vs. Tavington (Film Version)** • 3:22

Yorktown And The Return Home (Film Version) • 5:24

The Patriot (End Titles) • 7:43
Total Time: 32:20
Total Score Presentation: 107:44
THE EXTRAS

The Family Farm (Alternate)** • 3:02

Redcoats In The Cornfield (Alternate)* • 1:24

The Death Of Thomas (Alternate)** • 4:21

Rough Fighter Recruited (Alternate)* • 1:47

To Gullah Maroon (Alternate)* • 1:17

The Wedding (Alternate)* • 1:32

The Patriot Returns • 1:07

Martin Sets The Trap (Alternate)** • 2:11

Martin Vs. Tavington (Alternate Segment)* • 1:02

Yorktown And The Return Home (Alternate Segment)* • 2:20

The Patriot (Alternate)* • 6:30

Total Extras and Source Music Time: 44:11
CD 2 Total Time: 76:36

*Previously unreleased

**Contains previously unreleased material

 

[filmmusic 2,456]

I wonder why they didn't use the original cue names...

Maybe Williams didn't want to?

[BrotherSound 2,479]

2 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

I wonder why they didn't use the original cue names...

Maybe Williams didn't want to?

These are mostly the original cue names, with some titles taken from the album tracks. Which ones are you referring to?

[filmmusic 2,456]

2 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

These are mostly the original cue names, with some titles taken from the album tracks. Which ones are you referring to?

Oh, you're right.

I just saw a couple.

eg. To Charleston is The Letter scene.

Ann Recruits The Parishioners is Ann's speech in the church.

by the way, where is 2M4 Remembering Fort Wilderness? it's a short cue. Did they omit it?