GerateWohl 5,420 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: Okay then. We do have a guest bedroom. The day will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post enderdrag64 1,049 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 53 minutes ago, Thor said: I do occasionally wonder when the shift in the discussion climate happened, into the things that Gerate describes. I remember in the late 90s and up to the mid 2000s, there weren't many such minutia chats on the messageboards I frequented. Once in a while, sure, but they were the exception to the rule. I think it started to become more common in the late 2000s, with the proliferation of niche labels. And at the same time advances in technology, when people could tinker and look at tracks themselves, on their own hard drives. But it's difficult to set a concrete date, it was all pretty much an organic evolution, for better or worse (for worse, as far as my own interest in this thing goes). I couldn't tell you when the change you're perceiving happened but the minutia discussions have always been part of this site; the Star Wars Prequel Music Resource, the Indiana Jones Pitch Correction Thread, etc. 27 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: By the way, recemtly I thought about opening a thread about the question, when was the last time you spend an evening with a score fan friend in real life together at your home listening to CDs, drinking and talking about music? Actually, in my life I had very few occasions like that in my life. Probably mainly because I know currently noone with that hobby close to me living nearby. But when I had these occations these are great memories of joyfull evenings. We don't do that enough. I've done this with my girlfriend a few times, she's a big fan of John Powell and Bear McCreary so sometimes we'll trade music recommendations and listen in the car together. I got introduced to McCreary's God of War score this way. She listens to a lot more than just film scores though (e.g. classical and kpop) while I mostly just listen to scores CGCJ, GerateWohl, crumbs and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,483 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 44 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: 51 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: Particular as in “Limited space for cds allowed by wife”. Cut down on the number of wives then. If each wives allows a certain amount of space for CDs, wouldn't "more wives" be a solution? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,849 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 12 minutes ago, enderdrag64 said: I couldn't tell you when the change you're perceiving happened but the minutia discussions have always been part of this site; the Star Wars Prequel Music Resource, the Indiana Jones Pitch Correction Thread, etc. Could be. First few years I was on JWFAN, it was basically with half an eye. I was mostly at FSM, where it wasn't very common up to and including the mid 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,420 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 I was allowed to put two large CD shelfs into our living room. But I had to promise, this is the space that I am dealing with. When they are full, I can just replace stuff, but not add new CDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,911 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 31 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: The day will come. When the kids have grown up. 23 minutes ago, enderdrag64 said: I've done this with my girlfriend a few times 14 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: If each wives allows a certain amount of space for CDs, wouldn't "more wives" be a solution? That's not allowed where Luke lives. 9 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I was allowed to put two large CD shelfs into our living room. But I had to promise, this is the space that I am dealing with. When they are full, I can just replace stuff, but not add new CDs. You'll have to start a Discogs store. 9 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I was allowed to put two large CD shelfs Are they good? Would you recommend them? GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 3,865 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Smeltington said: I don't think it's a stretch to say that most of us here have obsessive tendencies and are probably neurodivergent in some way. "Obsessive tendencies," sure. "Probably neurodivergent"? That's a bit of a leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I dunno bro, I dunno. I'm undiagnosed myself, so who can say. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,911 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Smeltington said: I dunno bro, I dunno. I'm undiagnosed myself, so who can say. PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 3,865 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Smeltington said: I dunno bro, I dunno. I'm undiagnosed myself, so who can say. TikTok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: PM me. You first! 2 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said: TikTok? Can they diagnose me?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,911 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, Smeltington said: You first! I don't know your username. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Make a post on JWFan missed connections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 3,865 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, Smeltington said: Can they diagnose me?? From what I've read, there's lots of self-diagnosing of every kind going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, Mr. Hooper said: From what I've read, there's lots of self-diagnosing of every kind going on there. Well, if Tiktok is the path to enlightenment, maybe I'm better off not knowing. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils 36 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: The last time I did something like this must have been when I shared a flat with a friend who enjoyed classical music and had a bit of interest in film music. Otherwise the closest would be going out with friends for film music concerts with my city's symphony orchestra, or seeing Morricone in the capitol with @Thor and @Nils, the great clarinettist. Yeah, that was a nice evening! Although the acoustics in the huge Telenor Arena weren't much to write home about. And enough with the "great clarinetist" thing already, JS! Have you even heard me play?? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,911 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, Nils said: the acoustics in the huge Telenor Arena weren't much to write home about. Agreed, and I didn't write about it. 3 minutes ago, Nils said: And enough with the "great clarinetist" thing already, JS! Have you even heard me play?? It's the word on the street! Btw, I think you or Thor shared a few recordings of your band's JW concert a few years ago, so I've probably heard you play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils 36 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Btw, I think you or Thor shared a few recordings of your band's JW concert a few years ago, so I've probably heard you play. Ah... OK, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,696 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 35 minutes ago, Smeltington said: Make a post on JWFan missed connections? We were in the elevator. A familiar tune was playing on the muzak, although I never would have said anything. One guy joked he'd heard it on the Weather Channel Local Forecast. Another guy said he thought it was Dave Grusin. Then you correctly pointed out, that's Banning Back Home from Hook. In all the confusion exiting on the 27th floor, I never could find you. Because we were spaced so far apart, I never even saw your face. Hoping for a Hook-up (m4w) mrbellamy and MrJosh 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 2,270 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Jay said: Anybody else have that moment at such a meet-up where you realize you've never said words like "segue" or "Varese" or "Intrada" out loud and have no idea how to pronounce them? Sort of related, I finished listening to the Christmas Legacy of JW episode the other day and this is the first time I think I’ve heard someone say the name of this site out loud (there is also a thread on how to pronounce it and you’ll be quite surprised at everyone’s opinions IIRC), and I can’t remember who said it, but someone said it as I say it it, which is “J W Fan”, and I was pleased I wasn’t alone haha. ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,693 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Huh. How else would you say it? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 5,530 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, Jay said: Huh. How else would you say it? Jay-doubleyou-eff-ay-enn of course. MrJosh and ThePenitentMan1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 2,270 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Jay said: Huh. How else would you say it? This is what I was referencing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 9,622 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 "That John Williams forum" Brando, Gabriel Bezerra, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 2,270 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, Edmilson said: "That John Williams forum" As opposed to the other one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 5,530 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 I can only speak for myself, but personally as someone who has (and has had for years) an interest in editing and restoration, all the "minutia" is equally as interesting to me as the music itself. It's a learning experience for me and people who have similar interests. I think that might be where the line between those interested in that sort of thing and those not is drawn; those interested are generally into editing themselves (including making fan edits) and those not interested in this sort of talk are not, and only listen to the music from more of an outsider's perspective (there's probably a better way to word that...) just as there are those who have even less of an interest in the music, and never seek out sites like this in the first place. That's probably the main reason most people come here in the first place: for information. That's how I got here. crumbs, HunterTech, Andy and 11 others 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 2,270 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 I’m with Manakin, all the teeny tiny useless info about the album, or anything regarding the editing process, is fascinating to me. That’s why I love TLOJW podcast episodes with Mike because that allows him to talk more freely about the releases and be able to tell stories about assembling the album and everything else. Good stuff. crumbs, Manakin Skywalker, enderdrag64 and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 581 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 hours ago, Thor said: Indeed, Gerate. There's a whole separate topic in what you wrote there that would very interesting indeed. I feel so completely ancient in the film score world these days. And I'm not only talking about the C&C issue, which is old. But all those other things you mention. All this talk about what I consider micro issues -- spreadsheets, cross-fades, sound quality measured in waveforms, custom artwork, shipping updates etc. etc. It's all "on the spectrum", as they say. There was a time not too long ago I just slapped on a cassette tape of a soundtrack I had copied, sometimes second generation copies even, and enjoyed the heck out of it. None of these issues ever occured to me. It was just listening to an album, period. I'm still kinda stuck in that period in the way I listen to and enjoy soundtracks. It has to be really, really bad and noticeable for me to care. Like that first release of RAIN MAN. Also, you often have to dig deep and hard to find discussions about the general musical qualities of things, you know -- the actual contents of the music, not everything around it. That doesn't only apply to JWFAN, btw (although it's more extreme), but also FSM and other places. I miss proper discussions about general musical aesthetics like we had 20+ years ago. Aaah....refreshing that I'm old enough now to do old-geezer-fist-raising-venting! Fellas, is it autistic to care about things? crumbs and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 5,530 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 There's nothing wrong with being overly interested in how the meat is made. There's also nothing wrong with not caring about it at all. Everyone processes music (and all forms of art) differently. At the end of the day, we all enjoy the same types of music and have others to chat with about our love of it. enderdrag64, Jay, Andy and 8 others 6 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,849 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Nothing wrong with it at all. We're all interested in different things. For example, in the electronic music thread, Alex is very much into gear stuff. I'm not, at least not very. I'm more interested in the music itself. Yet we both co-exist somehow. It's just interesting how dominant the minutia discussion has become in the last two decades, and how every release comes with the process that Gerate mentions in the first post. It's a very precise observation. It's become more "information database", less "casual music talk". Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Meredith McKay 7,176 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 24 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I can only speak for myself, but personally as someone who has (and has had for years) an interest in editing and restoration, all the "minutia" is equally as interesting to me as the music itself. It's a learning experience for me and people who have similar interests. I think that might be where the line between those interested in that sort of thing and those not is drawn; those interested are generally into editing themselves (including making fan edits) and those not interested in this sort of talk are not, and only listen to the music from more of an outsider's perspective (there's probably a better way to word that...) just as there are those who have even less of an interest in the music, and never seek out sites like this in the first place. That's probably the main reason most people come here in the first place: for information. That's how I got here. @Thor I would also think, the rise in such things, is due to the ease with which one can share audio, images, and video now compared to then, due to faster speeds, increased storage, and access to Internet on portable devices. MrJosh, crumbs, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,849 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, Doo_liss said: @Thor I would also think, the rise in such things, is due to the ease with which one can share audio, images, and video now compared to then, due to faster speeds, increased storage, and access to Internet on portable devices. Absolutely! That's also one of my theories, as I mentioned earlier in the thread. I seem to remember that taking hold in the late 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,911 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 13 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: There's nothing wrong with being overly interested in how the meat is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 5,530 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 15 minutes ago, Thor said: Nothing wrong with it at all. We're all interested in different things. For example, in the electronic music thread, Alex is very much into gear stuff. I'm not, at least not very. I'm more interested in the music itself. It's just interesting how dominant the minutia discussion has become in the last two decades, and how every release comes with the process that Gerate mentions in the first post. It's a very precise observation. It's become more "information database", less "casual music talk". I think the main reason being that, like I said, more new users are coming here nowadays for information rather than to chat about the music itself. Younger people don't generally use forums like this anymore, so the only reason they have to seek it out is for very specific reasons. Some of them find out they like it here and stay, others don't. And younger people, having been around modern technology all their lives are more likely to be the sorts who are more interested in the "database" aspect of these sites. The main cause is really that the number of younger people on the site is starting to vastly outnumber the amount of long-timers. Jay, enderdrag64, Brando and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,866 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: There's nothing wrong with being overly interested in how the meat is made. There's also nothing wrong with not caring about it at all. How about with banging on and on and on about not caring? A. A. Ron and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,849 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Quote I think the main reason being that, like I said, more new users are coming here nowadays for information rather than to chat about the music itself. Younger people don't generally use forums like this anymore, so the only reason they have to seek it out is for very specific reasons. Some of them find out they like it here and stay, others don't. And younger people, having been around modern technology all their lives are more likely to be the sorts who are more interested in the "database" aspect of these sites. That makes me a bit sad to hear, but you may be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gabriel Bezerra 476 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I think the main reason being that, like I said, more new users are coming here nowadays for information rather than to chat about the music itself. Younger people don't generally use forums like this anymore, so the only reason they have to seek it out is for very specific reasons. Some of them find out they like it here and stay, others don't. And younger people, having been around modern technology all their lives are more likely to be the sorts who are more interested in the "database" aspect of these sites. I'm "young people" and I ended up here by accident when I wanted to know more about a TLJ custom album combining the OST and the FYC, had no idea what a FYC even was. I learned a lot from the technobable that goes on here. I'm not sure if the conversation in the thread for the newest release of Spider-Man 2 could be considered "technical" or "about the music" but it has been incredible to read. Manakin Skywalker, Trope, HunterTech and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,483 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 58 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: That's probably the main reason most people come here in the first place: for information. That's how I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 5,484 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 hours ago, Jay said: OK, I did it. You can edit the main post to choose whatever thread title you like. Wait, is there really a thread elsewhere discussing neurodivergence? I can’t find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,483 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, Andy said: Wait, is there really a thread elsewhere discussing neurodivergence? I can’t find it. No, the beginning of this thread was extracted from the Patriot expansion thread. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,866 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Andy said: Wait, is there really a thread elsewhere discussing neurodivergence? I can’t find it. Yes, it's called the hans zimmer apprecieeeh not worth it Brando and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,693 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Andy said: Wait, is there really a thread elsewhere discussing neurodivergence? I can’t find it. Everything in this thread up until my post that you quoted was originally in The Patriot thread, so that was me telling him its all here now, and not in the Patriot thread, which is why he could choose the thread title of this thread, because he's now the main poster / "thread starter" Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I approve the title of this thread, whoever came up with it, good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard P 4,433 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 37 minutes ago, Brando said: I’m with Manakin, all the teeny tiny useless info about the album, or anything regarding the editing process, is fascinating to me. That’s why I love TLOJW podcast episodes with Mike because that allows him to talk more freely about the releases and be able to tell stories about assembling the album and everything else. Good stuff. With the two-parter Hook episode of Legacy, I've never listened to the music analysis in part two, whereas I've probably listened to part 1 three times now. Hence I too find all the editorial, assembly and general production related stuff fascinating. The legal stuff explaining why certain tracks are assembled as they are is also really interesting. Andy, crumbs, CGCJ and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 2,270 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 17 minutes ago, Richard P said: With the two-parter Hook episode of Legacy, I've never listened to the music analysis in part two, whereas I've probably listened to part 1 three times now. Hence I too find all the editorial, assembly and general production related stuff fascinating. The legal stuff explaining why certain tracks are assembled as they are is also really interesting. I particularly enjoy when he talks about the hunt for certain things, such as having to have the guys at Sony dig around in the salt mines until they found everything for Hook, or when he contacted an old buddy at Universal Orlando on a whim just to see if he had an idea of where the music for the ET ride was and he got back with Mike later saying he thought he found it and low and behold, it was. It makes you appreciate the releases more and it also makes you wonder how things get mixed up after recording. Richard P, enderdrag64, crumbs and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard P 4,433 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 I'd also guess that a good number of us here do a lot of editing and curating of various things. That's a pastime that needs a heck of a lot of attention to detail in terms of putting things together and identifying things. That's naturally going to carry across to receiving an expanded score and being heavily interested in how it was constructed, clues from an intended track regarding how a film might have changed, all those sort of things. Hence it puts a lot of us in a mindset to look at a tracklist and try to work out what's where, or ultimately take an actual expansion and start to look for favourite bits, discover unexpected things, etc. I'm really, really bad (as in, I basically never do it at first) at just sitting back and playing a score end to end until I've got a reasonable handle on what's where - it's how I'm wired. I'm probably the last person the producers of the Hook set want to listen to the third disc And lastly, particularly given a few recent cases, my #1 question with some expansions: which cue will turn out to sound totally different because it was editor-created. There's usually one somewhere... Brando, CGCJ and ThePenitentMan1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 4,006 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 11 hours ago, GerateWohl said: Did I forget something significant? Edit nevermind it was listed already lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,811 Posted January 11 Popular Post Share Posted January 11 Let's be honest, everyone on this forum is at least a little autistic. Thor, Andy and Bellosh 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 9,622 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Loert said: Let's be honest, everyone on this world is at least a little autistic. Fixed Andy and Loert 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,696 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Loert said: Let's be honest, everyone on this forum is at least a little autistic. There are certainly some angry young men in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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