John Williams: A Composer's Life SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread

[Jay 44,356]

5 minutes ago, geom_00 said:

Seeing as how the book is going to be coming out in stages so to speak (Some of us seem to already have it, the Kindle version will be delivered Aug 1, and the hardback/audiobook will be available Sept 2)

 

Can we start a thread for people who are reading the book to post quotes, thoughts, and the like, so those who don't have the book yet don't get spoiled on anything?

 

Proceed!

[Once 994]

I'm halfway through chapter 3 and I'm thoroughly entertained. It must have been such a fun and daunting job to find and conduct all of these interviews and articles. The really impressive part is how all of this information is put together to form an interesting narrative - I'm loving Tim's writing, even if I occasionally have to look up words and phrases.

 

I'm trying not to rush through it, but I already know I will be re-reading it many, many times. It feels like a gift to our community.

 

As for spoilers? I admit I was very surprised to learn about Williams' virginal status before courting Ruick... I never even considered that this book would go there!

 

But seriously, there are so many fascinating quotes and tidbits on every single page. I think I need to wait for my first (or second) re-read to take it all in. For now I just can't wait to get to the early feature scores, most of which I know quite well - unlike his early unreleased television- and film scores.

 

Still can't believe this biography even exists! 

[mrbellamy 7,766]

So here's the thing. I was naughty because the very first thing I did when I bought the iBook was scroll to the end to see if Williams was working on anything recently we hadn't heard about  aaaaand there is!

 

So I don't know if this constitutes a spoiler or just a straight up news item but after Dial of Destiny he apparently wrote something called "Great Ocean Forests" commissioned by Yo-Yo Ma in association with the Sea Change Project and recorded it at Sony! It's described as a 15 minute tone poem for an "idiosyncratic" ensemble intended for a film about the Great African Seaforests, a little unclear to me when or if it's something we'll get to hear. I couldn't find a thing about this through Google or the forum search so it must be a scoop. 

 

And then I just had to skim through for some Star Wars and Harry Potter gossip, get that out of my system lol. I happened upon some other 21st century talking points in the process but I can wait to talk about those. I didn't read more in-depth than that before circling back to the beginning. 

 

The Thomas Nagle history is fascinating. The bombshell that he arranged and conducted music for silent films at a Calgary theatre in 1914, what in the world! 

 

Reaaaally enjoyed learning more about Johnny Sr and Esther, and of course Williams's memories growing up and becoming a serious musician. The stuff with Bobby Van Eps was like Rocky lol, so cool to really dig into his compositional foundations. I'm trying to make sense out of that piano technique. Kind of amazing to hear him reflecting on the Holocaust and the war ending when he was 13. And my heart definitely leapt when Barbara entered the picture, just how in love he was with her from the beginning. I don't think I actually knew they'd met and been sweet on each other since high school. I LOVED the anecdote of him improvising musical "portraits" of celebrities or random people she'd call out. Character themes!

 

Oh also the "Third Grade" story when he transferred to North Hollywood cracked me up. 

[Brando 2,663]

3 hours ago, Once said:

I admit I was very surprised to learn about Williams' virginal status before courting Ruick... I never even considered that this book would go there!

Oh

[mrbellamy 7,766]

So does McBride's Spielberg biography as I recall

[ChipChune92 56]

Do you guys have hardcopies yet or just the digital? Also, do the concert works get mentioned more than briefly? 

[mrbellamy 7,766]

Yes, digital. Apple Books seems to be the only place it's available right now. 

 

From what I could tell, the concert works all get as much attention as the scores, with the caveat that some scores get more than others. I noticed sections on the Horn Concerto and On Willows and Birches, the upcoming piano concerto has a few pages. This "Great Ocean Forests" piece that no one's ever heard of has more on how it came to be and anecdotes from the recording. 

[Jesse 260]

I can't find it anymore, but I recently came across a YouTube video of a musician doing a duet with Yo-Yo Ma during a rehearsal break in a recording studio. In the comment section, she mentioned that they were recording a new John Williams piece at that session. When I saw that, I already thought it was probably that new cello piece we had heard about, which seems to be this Great Ocean Forests piece. 

[Miguel Andrade 1,637]

1 hour ago, Jesse said:

I can't find it anymore, but I recently came across a YouTube video of a musician doing a duet with Yo-Yo Ma during a rehearsal break in a recording studio. In the comment section, she mentioned that they were recording a new John Williams piece at that session. When I saw that, I already thought it was probably that new cello piece we had heard about, which seems to be this Great Ocean Forests piece. 

 

The musician was none other than the great Cecilia Tsan. Here's the video of Ma and Tsan playing Vivaldi after the Williams' session:

 

 

[bollemanneke 4,183]

4 hours ago, mrbellamy said:

Yes, digital. Apple Books seems to be the only place it's available right now. 

 

From what I could tell, the concertos all get as much attention as the scores, with the caveat that some scores get more than others. I noticed sections on the Horn Concerto and On Willows and Birches, the upcoming piano concerto has a few pages. This "Great Ocean Forests" piece that no one's ever heard of has more on how it came to be and anecdotes from the recording. 

Can you get that as a file there, or is it locked behind twenty apps, devices and accounts?

[mrbellamy 7,766]

It's Apple so it can only be read on Apple devices, unfortunately 

[Maestro 1,528]

On 21/07/2025 at 8:42 PM, mrbellamy said:

So I don't know if this constitutes a spoiler or just a straight up news item but after Dial of Destiny he apparently wrote something called "Great Ocean Forests" commissioned by Yo-Yo Ma in association with the Sea Change Project and recorded it at Sony! It's described as a 15 minute tone poem for an "idiosyncratic" ensemble intended for a film about the Great African Seaforests, a little unclear to me when or if it's something we'll get to hear. I couldn't find a thing about this through Google or the forum search so it must be a scoop. 

 

 

I'm seeing some minor misinformation about this piece, which until now has been top secret. (I was given permission to include it in the book, and indeed to attend the recording sessions.) It is not affiliated with the Sea Change Project, although that organization was part of Ma's introduction to the parties involved. And it's a piece that will accompany (or rather drive) a film about kelp forests planet-wide. There's necessarily still some factors unknown and TBD, but I just wanted to clarify these points—and I do hope the piece itself will be hearable before too long.

 

Mea culpa: I also somehow misreported the orchestration; it's 12 cellos (in addition to Ma's), not 8.

 

In unrelated news: I'm starting a document to chronicle any errors I (or others) catch for a revised edition! 

 

[mrbellamy 7,766]

Gotcha, yes I guess I got that confused because you mentioned Ma's involvement with the Sea Change Project and how that lead up to this Williams thing. 

 

Interesting thing about Chapter 3, I don't think I'd really had it spelled out before that John Williams never actually earned a college degree! And I feel like so much is made about his association with Juilliard that I was surprised he never actually enrolled but was just there to study with Lhévinne! 

 

The fact that Billy Goldenberg's father helped get Williams the audition is great trivia lol, what a small world. 

[Once 994]

Still on chapter 4. I don't want to set myself up for disappointment, but the footnote on John's* symphony does give a glimmer of hope that it might one day be recorded;

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[...]it was never recorded, and John discouraged other interested orchestras from performing it. Looking back on it in his senior years, he referred to the symphony as an oeuvre jeunesse. Then, leafing through its pages for the first time in decades, he paused: "I don't think it's that bad." (March 9, 2023)

 

Also, having watched the film myself, an unexpected highlight for me was reading Tim's* hilarious description of John Goldfarb, Please Come Home!.

 

*Reading this biography gives me a false sense of being on a first-name-basis with both Williams and Greiving...

[Sunshine Reger 3,697]

2 hours ago, Once said:

Still on chapter 4. I don't want to set myself up for disappointment, but the footnote on John's* symphony does give a glimmer of hope that it might one day be recorded;

 

Also, having watched the film myself, an unexpected highlight for me was reading Tim's* hilarious description of John Goldfarb, Please Come Home!.

 

*Reading this biography gives me a false sense of being on a first-name-basis with both Williams and Greiving...

That quote about Williams looking at his symphony manuscript feels like fanfiction lol. I have to say the book brings out things that I didn't think would ever be given spotlight, mention, an in-depth look, or closure

[BB-8 5,698]

We "JWfans" get acknowledged!

 

[BB-8 5,698]

...only the non-infra dig guys.

[artguy360 2,154]

14 hours ago, BB-8 said:

We "JWfans" get acknowledged!

 

By JW himself? Did he finally reveal the username of his secret account here?!

[Mr. Hooper 7,268]

34 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

By JW himself? Did he finally reveal the username of his secret account here?!

You'll never guess...

 

@Jurassic Shark

[BB-8 5,698]

@Maestro reveals himself in the print media.

[kingtolkien 49]

Got the book yesterday. I love it. 

[mrbellamy 7,766]

Okay you know what, this is the spoilers allowed thread and more people are getting their books so I'm just gonna get some Harry Potter and Disney Star Wars things off my chest:

- Kinda gratifying to know Chris Columbus finds it "troubling" JW didn't finish Harry Potter and seems like he even brought it up to WB and his fellow producers, like imploring them to keep him on. The quote from Williams via Mia Farrow about not wanting to do more "kid flying movies" is totally fair though   three Harry Potters, ET, Hook, what else?

 

- Feels like the jury is kinda still out on the exact specifics of Chamber of Secrets, not really investigated....I know there are those who won't be satisfied with Columbus feeling like he got "150% Williams." Also not something I had really considered but found it pretty cool how Columbus was really excited on the first Potter about the prospect of getting a "Spielberg score" since their other collabs didn't quite require pulling all the stops out in terms of action and spectacle. I love how excited he was wondering what Williams would do with Quidditch. 

 

- Also really nice to have Cuaron on the record that he never had a question about keeping Williams on and calling it "a dream," cause I know some people have questioned if he felt obligated or pressured. Pretty wild temp choices too lol, I only know Danielpour and Lutoslawski. I love how locked in Cuaron is with Williams's evolution in his film and concert music through the 90s and wanting a piece of that. If only all directors! The blend of eclecticism and crowdpleasing is so damn cool on POA, not easily replicable! I was sorta hoping there'd be something on that story about him getting the wrong edit and finding out on the stage, though. 

 

- Seems like the rumor about Williams not being happy with Rogue One is true, even though he's polite about it. I kinda can't believe he wasn't even asked, I can't remember if Kennedy revealed that before elsewhere. Maybe just as well, that might have been more stressful for him than the Abrams movies. 

 

- Also John was gonna score Pixar's Up??? Did we know that? I don't think I knew that. "Scheduling conflicts," classic. It seems like he genuinely wanted to do it even though Pete Docter thinks he was being nice. Poor Giacchino catching strays in this book lol, always the second choice. But brings to mind an old Giacchino interview where he said Williams called him to congratulate him when he won the Golden Globe for Up, makes that even more gentlemanly. 

 

- I was surprised how much there was on Solo. I love the story of Powell showing Williams a sketch called "Fuckety fuck fuck" that he'd forgotten to rename. This was a great Powell quote too, exactly how I feel - "We'll see the peaks of his career as musical fortresses of the best compositional rigor and best compositional effect that people can do. And then the rest of it we'll see as incredibly elegantly and beautifully written." 

 

- Also kinda wish there was more of a definitive comment on not doing Ready Player One but seems like it was more schedule than lack of inclination (with Tim speculating a bit on the latter) 

[Jay 44,356]

On 01/08/2025 at 1:47 PM, mrbellamy said:

The quote from Williams via Mia Farrow about not wanting to do more "kid flying movies" is totally fair though   three Harry Potters, ET, Hook, what else?

 

Man, it was like 3 decades in a row wasn't it. ET 82, Hook 91, HP 2001. Tintin in 2011 had Tintin flying through town on a clothesline, but he's not a kid

[Manakin Skywalker 5,787]

8 hours ago, mrbellamy said:

- Seems like the rumor about Williams not being happy with Rogue One is true, even though he's polite about it. I kinda can't believe he wasn't even asked, I can't remember if Kennedy revealed that before elsewhere. Maybe just as well, that might have been more stressful for him than the Abrams movies. 

 

[mrbellamy 7,766]

Chapter 4, I really appreciated the context of the studio politics in the late 50s and the relationship between jazz and Hollywood at the time, even the difference between West and East Coast jazz scenes and sounds. A lot of good background for what JW was getting into. 

 

The amount of TV he was doing, I was generally aware of that but having it all laid out is really overwhelming! Recalls the Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 hours thing. I love thinking about Williams at Revue in close proximity with Jerry Goldsmith, Dave Grusin, Quincy Jones. What a time. 

 

And I'm an ignoramus, what on earth is "interesting jockey wax" supposed to mean regarding Billboard's review of Checkmate? It sounds like a diss...

[The Score Cleaner 8,879]

2 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

And I'm an ignoramus, what on earth is "interesting jockey wax" supposed to mean regarding Billboard's review of Checkmate? It sounds like a diss...

I would assume Jockey is like disc dockey, and wax is like vinyl or cylinder?

[Once 994]

13 hours ago, mrbellamy said:

- Also John was gonna score Pixar's Up??? Did we know that? I don't think I knew that. "Scheduling conflicts," classic. It seems like he genuinely wanted to do it even though Pete Docter thinks he was being nice.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard that, no!! But it reminds me that Williams’ name was attached to Inside Out (also directed by Docter) on imdb for a long time.

[Jurassic Shark 15,671]

3 hours ago, Little Ghost said:

I would assume Jockey is like disc dockey, and wax is like vinyl or cylinder?

 

Wax is probably short for waxing eloquent. Google's AI summary:

 

"Waxing eloquent" is an idiom used to describe someone speaking at length and with great enthusiasm, often using elaborate or flowery language. It can also mean speaking or writing beautifully, or becoming more skilled or knowledgeable in a particular subject. The phrase implies a growing passion or enthusiasm in the speaker's delivery. 

[Bespin Copilot 10,201]

Are there any passages discussing how John Williams felt about the (mis)use of his music in certain films due to frenzied modern editing, such as The Phantom Menace?

[Arpy 4,224]

It's easy to read into how Williams was disappointed with how his themes were used in R1 as if he's thrown a fit with Giacchino. You can be disappointed by something without wholly condemning it. I'm sure we've been disappointed with Williams scores anyway...

[mrbellamy 7,766]

5 hours ago, Bespin Copilot said:

Are there any passages discussing how John Williams felt about the (mis)use of his music in certain films due to frenzied modern editing, such as The Phantom Menace?

 

Not that I noticed yet but I'm guessing it must be addressed somewhere 

 

10 hours ago, Once said:

I don’t think I’ve ever heard that, no!! But it reminds me that Williams’ name was attached to Inside Out (also directed by Docter) on imdb for a long time.

 

That's right, I forgot about that. Maybe fake news, or someone could have even heard about the Up pitch and the telephone game lead to that.

 

Also I should clarify he was never actually attached to Up but they offered it to him. His quote, "I would have been happy to do it. It would have been a good thing to do" was recent, to Tim. Pretty cool! Wonder if any other offers we don't know about are in here...

 

5 hours ago, Arpy said:

It's easy to read into how Williams was disappointed with how his themes were used in R1 as if he's thrown a fit with Giacchino. You can be disappointed by something without wholly condemning it. I'm sure we've been disappointed with Williams scores anyway...

 

And to be fair, there's only that one partial quote from Williams about it, that he wants the themes "to be what they are, and not be distorted or reworked" (Tim Greiving interview.) And an anonymous "associate" who says JW is protective of Star Wars and "didn't like it when other people gave their take on it." So it's still kinda vague, but at least framed in context about Rogue One. 

 

Also I just have to add this from Chapter 4: 

 

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"I would hear Ringo play drums and I thought: well, I've been working with Buddy Rich and Shelly Manne and Alvin Stoller. This kid sounds like a rank amateur to me." - John Williams

 

 

Oops!

 

(He then goes on to say Bernstein was more enlightened to acknowledge their genius early, but no Beatlemaniac. Funny that he and Barbara were in New York on the Ed Sullivan taping day and couldn't go anywhere) 

[Sunshine Reger 3,697]

JW scoring Up! would have added to the textures and tonality tapestries in many cues to be sure, a conceivable mixture of KOTCS, Hook, Tintin, and Chris Columbus film music, but 2000s Gia assigned adventure fare, vintage jazz, and catchy themes was Oscar material, and I am glad we got it.

 

Interesting that about Ringo. Even the greats sometimes can't predict the potential or lack of it in others. Herrmann correctly assessed the Beatles very early but when asked about young talents in the early 1970s failed to predict the potential of Williams.

[mrbellamy 7,766]

It's very hard to imagine Up without Giacchino, one of his crowning achievements and he really defines the movie. I see the poster and I hear his theme. But fun to think about the John Williams alternate universe versions of "Married Life" and "Carl Goes Up"

[Jurassic Shark 15,671]

5 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

"Carl Goes Up"

 

Well...

 

[mrbellamy 7,766]

56 minutes ago, Sunshine Reger said:

Interesting that about Ringo. Even the greats sometimes can't predict the potential or lack of it in others. Herrmann correctly assessed the Beatles very early but when asked about young talents in the early 1970s failed to predict the potential of Williams.

 

I remember Williams also liked to say in concerts that Harry Potter was the greatest British export since The Beatles. So obviously he changed his tune on them. 

[Arpy 4,224]

10 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Well...

 

Carl Goes Up is better.

[Jurassic Shark 15,671]

Does Tim touch upon the use of temp tracks and how that affects the composer?

[pete 1,282]

19 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Does Tim touch upon the use of temp tracks and how that affects the composer?

 

I just finished the book! I've been immersed in it these past few days.

 

I took a lot of screen shots on my Kindle of paragraphs full of new details - five songs for Cinderella Liberty, 4 or 5 pieces some original and that were recorded to great applause before deciding on Air and Simple Gifts. Lots of unsused Born on the 4th of July. Swashbuckling source cue in Conrad, and I think a 1970s TV theme I've never heard mentioned before. 

 

But to answer Jurassic Shark, I was surprised to learn that Williams listened to more temp scores than I had imagined, and he generally seemed warm to them. He said nothing negative about temp scores per se, mostly I got the impression that anything a director says or does gives Williams ideas on how to proceed or raises questions that lead to deeper understanding. Everything is a learning opportunity. 

 

Other thoughts/shocks - no funeral for Barbara. Wow. That was a shock, and then to read about the elegy for cello and how that helped the mother of the murdered kids to heal as much as is possible from such a loss. In some ways, grief is a theme that runs through much of the book.

 

I thought it was odd that very early on it was mentioned that his current wife lives in a different home. It seemed to come out of nowhere, and then it wasn't explained further until near the end. His 80th birthday, oach. But it seems like they are on good terms and still close. I loved the quote by his daugher about the second marriage: "My dad isn't sad anymore".

 

And one sentence/quote choked me up "My whole life would have been hers", refering to Barbara. It's surreal/sad to think the most important person in his life never heard Jaws and all the followed.

 

And I enjoyed the JWfan references at the end!

 

[Bespin Copilot 10,201]

13 minutes ago, pete said:

I thought it was odd that very early on it was mentioned that his current wife lives in a different home. It seemed to come out of nowhere, and then it wasn't explained further until near the end.

 

I don’t know the details, but it doesn’t surprise me. If I may draw another parallel with Aznavour... he and his wife shared very little time together toward the end of his life… and very little else, really. He lived comfortably in a villa where he would return between tours… and his wife, who always stayed far from the spotlight, loved “Charles” more than “Aznavour”....

 

Aznavour died alone in his villa after returning from Japan; it was his butler who found him unconscious the next day. A sad ending for a celebrity. But then again, if these great artists managed to find some kind of romantic balance, it’s because they married women who were their complete opposites… and apparently, that’s what works. Aznavour used to say of his wife: When I am fire, she is ice.

[pete 1,282]

On 8/2/2025 at 8:55 PM, Bespin Copilot said:

Are there any passages discussing how John Williams felt about the (mis)use of his music in certain films due to frenzied modern editing, such as The Phantom Menace?

 

No, more other people getting annoyed on John's behalf, mostly relating to The Force Awakens. Kathleen telling JJ "You can't keep doing this to John!". 

 

35 minutes ago, Bespin Copilot said:

 

I don’t know the details, but it doesn’t surprise me. 

 

It does seem like they are still close. There was a bit near the end where John mentions telling her about a recent project in the last year or so, and her joking with him. I guess they had some ups and downs, and I think that not to the extent of James Horner, but Williams is clearly more comfortable setting emotions to music than talking about his own, especially regarding something so tragic as Barbara's death.

 

And...The theme for Hollywood Television Theater, written in 1975 and used for two seasons. Wow, that's certainly the first I've heard of that. I don't think it's on YouTube. 

 

[Jurassic Shark 15,671]

1 hour ago, pete said:

 

I thought it was odd that very early on it was mentioned that his current wife lives in a different home.

 

Secret for a long marriage noted.

 

1 hour ago, pete said:

But to answer Jurassic Shark, I was surprised to learn that Williams listened to more temp scores than I had imagined, and he generally seemed warm to them. He said nothing negative about temp scores per se, mostly I got the impression that anything a director says or does gives Williams ideas on how to proceed or raises questions that lead to deeper understanding. Everything is a learning opportunity. 

 

Thank you!

[pete 1,282]

A few other tidbits that stuck out for me:

He loved writing the song cycle Seven for Luck. Odd then there has never been a recording. He really enjoyed that project. Perhaps if that first singer hadn't cancelled on the project. 

 

He hated working on Lost in Space/Land of the Giants/Time Tunnel. - No!!!!!! A part of me died when I read that. 

 

And I was surprised how much time he spent on Thomas and the King. And most involved felt it would have been a success if it had premiered on Broadway. WTF? They gave reasons, but still.. WTF?

 

And Leonard Bernstein grabbing Williams's testicles. That's now high on my bucket list! Odd that I never thought of doing that before.

[Jurassic Shark 15,671]

1 minute ago, pete said:

And I was surprised how much time he spent on Thomas and the King.

 

I guess he was trying to improve it.

 

1 minute ago, pete said:

And Leonard Bernstein grabbing Williams's testicles

 

WHAT?!?

[pete 1,282]

2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

WHAT?!?

 

It's true! He grabbed those priceless balls and said "Don't fuck this up". I think it was for a concert celebrating one of Lenny's birthdays.

[Jurassic Shark 15,671]

Just now, pete said:

 

It's true! He grabbed those priceless balls and said "Don't fuck this up". I think it was for concert celebrating one of Lenny's birthdays.

 

I would personally be more likely to fuck up after such an incidence. 

[mrbellamy 7,766]

1 hour ago, pete said:

 

No, more other people getting annoyed on John's behalf, mostly relating to The Force Awakens. Kathleen telling JJ "You can't keep doing this to John!". 

 

Williams also does elaborate on his feelings about the process with Abrams, saying "it would drive you crazy if you let it" and that he'd rather not do it that way, but that he also saw it as an opportunity to improve things and that it was nice to get to record a revised cue when the previous one was getting too cut up in editing. So he takes it in stride as always. 

 

I did come across the Samantha stuff while reading some of the later chapters because of her not showing up to his 80th bday and the book going on to explain their quasi-separation (?), one of those things that is an important biographical detail but also not really my business! It does put into perspective why we see Jenny at events more, but Samantha has been at some recent Oscars and she was right next to him at the AFI thing. I guess living a couple hours apart with what sounds like regular visits could either be the best or worst thing in the world, seems like it's good. 

[pete 1,282]

1 minute ago, mrbellamy said:

 

Williams also does elaborate on his feelings about the process with Abrams, saying "it would drive you crazy if you let it" and that he'd rather not do it that way, but that he also saw it as an opportunity to improve things and that it was nice to get to record a revised cue when the previous one was getting too cut up in editing. So he takes it in stride as always. 

 

Yeah, I was really impressed by that. It seems like any situation the requires Williams to write music, be that new music or revisions etc is just something that always excites him. I'm sure there must be frustrating moments and sleep lost, but he handles it in a way the leaves everything thinking there could be no better collaborator. 

[Bespin Copilot 10,201]

I always imagine a director asking John Williams for a last-minute revision... kind of like a builder requesting a quick tweak to an engineer’s blueprint. The engineer silently thinking to himself: "If I change this, then I’ll have to change that... and then that... " 

 

In the end, the composer’s dilemma is simpler: he can just chuckle to himself and say, "Well, there’ll definitely be an 'album version' and a 'film version' of this piece". 

[pete 1,282]

And the Josh Groban story was really touching. I think I might actually listen to that song again!

 

And speaking of the word "song", did anyone else notice it used a couple of times to describe pieces of music such as The Face of Pan? Blashphemy! Explain yourself!!

 

[Jay 44,356]

5 minutes ago, pete said:

And speaking of the word "song", did anyone else notice it used a couple of times to describe pieces of music such as The Face of Pan? Blashphemy! Explain yourself!!