#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 This is not true of all women though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 67 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 In what time period did the first female composers come along when it came to orchestral music? Any of our musically educated members know?In America, at least, the first significant woman was Amy Cheney Beach (1867-1944). There was also Ethel Smyth in England and Lili Boulanger in France. I've not heard anything by Smyth, but what I've heard of Beach's is rather like Brahms. I did like the one work of Boulanger's I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 All 3 are from the second part of the 19th century, so recent compared to female writers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Who made the cave paintings? Perhaps the women whilst the men were hunting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Top Five Women Composershttp://www.wqxr.org/#!/story/117019-top-five-women-composers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Who made the cave paintings? Perhaps the women whilst the men were hunting?Unknown.Of course there have been female artisans for centuries. But almost all art created by women went unsigned. The lack of signature means that women's history when it comes to artistic achievement has all but disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 In what time period did the first female composers come along when it came to orchestral music? Any of our musically educated members know?All 3 are from the second part of the 19th century, so recent compared to female writers.You did ask for "orchestral" music in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Yes, that is correct. And I got the answer I wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Yes, that is correct. And I got the answer I wanted.Louise Farrenc composed for orchestra during the first half of the nineteenth century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Interesting, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 There's the obvious Clara Schumann as well. And Hildegard. I will add another layer.Once a woman has childs, it becomes the center of his universe and nothing, understand me, NOTHING exists that is more important than them.That gives them a capital gain than the other genre has unfortunately not.wat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Bespin seems to have a very narrow view of what women are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Where's indianagirl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 There's the obvious Clara Schumann as well. And Hildegard. And perhaps Fanny Mendelssohn. She didn't compose for orchestra, but perhaps she would have done in a more supportive society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 "But is there a gender gap in the music industry? Well yes. The facts are clear: 14% of the PRS for Music Foundation's (the Performing Rights Society of composers, songwriters and music publishers) members are female."http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/08/why-so-few-female-composers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I interviewed Penka Kouneva recently. She is the first woman to be the lead orchestrator on blockbuster films, like Pirates 3, Angels and Demons, Transformers 1-3, Elysium and Ender's Game. She is pushing to move into Composing for big studio films now. She has done some big games and some orchestral albums.http://www.soundtracksandtrailermusic.com/2015/07/composer-penka-kouneva-changing-perceptions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Where's indianagirl?Kitchen, obviously. Wojo and Marian Schedenig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I interviewed Penka Kouneva recently. She is the first woman to be the lead orchestrator on blockbuster films, like Pirates 3, Angels and Demons, Transformers 1-3, Elysium and Ender's Game. She is pushing to move into Composing for big studio films now. She has done some big games and some orchestral albums.http://www.soundtracksandtrailermusic.com/2015/07/composer-penka-kouneva-changing-perceptions/She just released a lovely album. Quality person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Yeah I've heard nothing but great things about her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Once a woman has childs, it becomes the center of his universe and nothing, understand me, NOTHING exists that is more important than them.Sometimes that is true and sometimes it isn't.There are just as many bad and unfit mothers as there are fathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Yep, Helen Mirren and Betty White is a prime example of why that is so not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Once a woman has childs, it becomes the center of his universe and nothing, understand me, NOTHING exists that is more important than them.Sometimes that is true and sometimes it isn't.There are just as many bad and unfit mothers as there are fathers.You obviously know very little about women, indianagirl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 There are unfit fathers. There are unfit mothers. But nobody knows how many and in what ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 78% and 14%. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 41.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I'm 47% sure that's not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 "But is there a gender gap in the music industry? Well yes. The facts are clear: 14% of the PRS for Music Foundation's (the Performing Rights Society of composers, songwriters and music publishers) members are female."http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/08/why-so-few-female-composersNo one's questioning the gender gap in the music industry. What's utter bull crap is that women are inherently designed to have a lower preference to leave a legacy behind...Speaking of female composers, Jennifer Higdon is a good one! Indianagirl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Dora Pejačević is worth your time, as well as Louise Farrenc, Lili Boulanger (who would have been much more popular had she not died very young), Jennifer Higdon.Little bit of Fanny Mendelssohn's chamber work: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Lili is good and Nadia I'm convinced would have been a revolutionary composer had she not decided she "had nothing useful to say." One of the biggest 20th century musical forces either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Definitely influenced a ton of composers with her teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 She knew what she was talking about. I definitely subscribe to her way of thinking about most compositional matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I remember there was a promising young talented female composer whom Elmer Bernstein took under his wing, but sadly committed suicide many years ago... can't remember her name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I remember there was a promising young talented female composer whom Elmer Bernstein took under his wing, but sadly committed suicide many years ago... can't remember her name.Linda Martinez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Picture a bell-curve. In general when you look at statistical distributions men tend to be in the tails (extremes). Men are more likely to be total failures or meteoric successes. Women end up more around the middle. One possible explanation for this is that testosterone is a risk-taking hormone. In order to end up in the extremes of a distribution you have to be willing to take more risk.Men in general engage in riskier behaviour. Which means the failures and losers are men. But the few winners also happen to be men.When you look at world famous composers you are looking at the top tail (extreme) of the music world, and so it's not entirely surprising that men are more common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 When I think of women, I picture two bell curves. Two ample, supple, firm bell curves. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I think of a man. Then I take away reason and accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I think of a man. Then I take away reason and accountability.Only Jack could get away with that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Jack who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Offaman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/culturehousedaily/2015/09/theres-a-good-reason-why-there-are-no-great-female-composers/Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/culturehousedaily/2015/09/theres-a-good-reason-why-there-are-no-great-female-composers/Discuss.I think there is a point to be made about composition being a primarily male field and thus men are seemingly overrepresented in curricula, but I disagree with the conclusion that there are no great female composers. In my opinion, Thea Musgrave (who was wrongly disparaged in the article) is absolutely a great composer (check out her Horn Concerto and "Turbulent Landscapes"), and cases could be made for Kaija Saariaho, Ruth Crawford Seeger, and Unsuk Chin, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Saariaho is a sonic goddess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/culturehousedaily/2015/09/theres-a-good-reason-why-there-are-no-great-female-composers/ Discuss. It's just a lazy, cobbled together hackjob. Read the author's other Spectator pieces--music's clearly not his speciality, nor is anything apparently. To Gnome's list I'd also add a newcomer--Shiori Usui. I heard a work by her premiered at this year's proms and was impressed. It's titled Ophiocordyceps unilateralis s.l., after the zombie parasite. Dixon Hill and Gnome in Plaid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Jessica Curry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Very Tom Newmanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/culturehousedaily/2015/09/theres-a-good-reason-why-there-are-no-great-female-composers/Discuss.It's just a lazy, cobbled together hackjob. Read the author's other Spectator pieces--music's clearly not his speciality, nor is anything apparently.To Gnome's list I'd also add a newcomer--Shiori Usui. I heard a work by her premiered at this year's proms and was impressed. It's titled Ophiocordyceps unilateralis s.l., after the zombie parasite. Wow... that is awesome. I'd love to see the score for that.Jessica Curry! If we're going back to film/video game composers, I have really high hopes for Heather McIntosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Alla Pavlova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I wish Shirley walker would get more to do, she's the only women out there who doesn't compose like a girl.Stefancos- who really enjoyed Walker/Carpenter's Escape From L.A.SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND.Weak theme.....I wish Shirley walker would get more to do, she's the only women out there who doesn't compose like a girl.Stefancos- who really enjoyed Walker/Carpenter's Escape From L.A.SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND.Weak theme.....I wish Shirley walker would get more to do, she's the only women out there who doesn't compose like a girl.Stefancos- who really enjoyed Walker/Carpenter's Escape From L.A.SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND.Weak theme..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I wish Shirley walker would get more to do, she's the only women out there who doesn't compose like a girl.Stefancos- who really enjoyed Walker/Carpenter's Escape From L.A.SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND.Weak theme.....I wish Shirley walker would get more to do, she's the only women out there who doesn't compose like a girl.Stefancos- who really enjoyed Walker/Carpenter's Escape From L.A.SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND.Weak theme.....I wish Shirley walker would get more to do, she's the only women out there who doesn't compose like a girl.Stefancos- who really enjoyed Walker/Carpenter's Escape From L.A.SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND.Weak theme.....SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYONDWeak theme….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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