ABez 0 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I quite like the oboe's use in the early stages of 'Love Theme From Superman (Track 14, Disc 2 of the Rhino release).For a while, it was a cue that passed me by.I wondered if any other cues using the oboe from other albums may have passed me by also.Your suggestions, please...Cheers,Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 "Garrison Family Theme" from JFK, Stepmom, Angela's Ashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrchDork 0 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I too like his use of the oboe in Stepmom. Of course, there is also the oboe solo in the opening of "Across the Stars" from Attack of the Clones. I can't think of any others (other than those mentioned) that really stand out. I could be forgetting something, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeekUYoda 0 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 There's a great English horn solo in Star Wars: A New Hope - the Jawa theme. That's kind of oboe-esque.... I can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 There's a great English horn solo in Star Wars: A New Hope - the Jawa theme. That's kind of oboe-esque.... I can't think of anything else off the top of my head. That's an English horn. One of my favorite Star Wars tracks. It's so Star Wars.----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 As Orchdork said, Across the Stars would have to be the most prominent use in a primary theme. Lot's of individual tracks that feature oboe though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 It's easy to name Williams' best oboe use, but now try Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 The opening and closing solos of the love themes from Superman and AOTC.Quick question (I think Wael plays, so he might know): Do oboe players suck?Ray Barnsbury-who loves the oboe when played well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 What was used for "The Conversation" in Close Encounters? Was that an English horn or oboe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I wish I was better able to distinguish the playing of these instruments in a score. However, the best I can usually do is classify what group a musical instrument is part of. (i.e. brass, woodwind, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Across the Stars. When U saw the topic title I thought that straight away, but now I look like I'm copying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 The best version of Across the Stars is still the strings performance of it IMO. The theme is almost made for a violin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Longbottom 0 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I wish I was better able to distinguish the playing of these instruments in a score. However, the best I can usually do is classify what group a musical instrument is part of. (i.e. brass, woodwind, etc.)Same here. I still need to find the way to learn distinguishing woodwind and brass instruments in each section one from another. The only instrument I can recognize pretty well from any other is French Horn and trombone. But violin and viola, for instance, can they really be distinguished?Roman, instrumental illiterate.-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 do like I did,buy a kid's learning c.d. that features each instruments in turn with a solo and listen to it a few times,then do an extensive week of listening to scores and purposely concentrating on identifying the instruments.worked for meeazy to identify:Horn,Trumpet,Oboe,Flute,Clarinet,Violin,Cellohardest for me are viola,trombone an basoon.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 What was used for "The Conversation" in Close Encounters? Was that an English horn or oboe?That was one of the first things that crossed my mind too. There are different versions of this (Close Encounters - The Ultimate John Williams Film Music Collection and "Wild Signals" on the collectors edition of the soundtrack). They use an oboe sound, but it is pretty obviously synthesized (and the tuba sound for that matter). It would pretty much need to be since the tempo starts getting impossibly fast and in the soundtrack, doing weird things with pitch and intonation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Witches of Eastwick uses an oboe pretty wellI wish I was better able to distinguish the playing of these instruments in a score. However, the best I can usually do is classify what group a musical instrument is part of. (i.e. brass, woodwind, etc.)An added advantage to my youth and being in band is you're forced to know each instrument's part and therefore are able to pick everything out at any time. That's one of the best things to do when you're listening to new music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I'm not the best at distinguising instruments either... but I remember in the 'Reunion' movement of the BPO-recorded Jane Eyre suite, a version of the main theme played toward the end of the suite that sounded to me like an oboe, I could be wrong though. Can anyone clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrchDork 0 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Quick question (I think Wael plays, so he might know): Do oboe players suck? hahah Some do, and some don't. In high school, most of players sucked, save one that was fairly decent... and we had one that was awesome, but he graduated my freshman year, so that was that. In college, though, pretty much all of the oboists are very talented - even the last chair oboist! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Yeah, oboe players get to be pretty good in school, french horns, now that's a thing that sounds horrible for years until they get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 What was used for "The Conversation" in Close Encounters? Was that an English horn or oboe?That was one of the first things that crossed my mind too. There are different versions of this (Close Encounters - The Ultimate John Williams Film Music Collection and "Wild Signals" on the collectors edition of the soundtrack). They use an oboe sound, but it is pretty obviously synthesized (and the tuba sound for that matter). It would pretty much need to be since the tempo starts getting impossibly fast and in the soundtrack, doing weird things with pitch and intonation.If I remember well, Williams recorded everyhting with acoustic instruments, and then they "played" with the recording in the studio, giving it a synthetised quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Across the Stars, no question.And this sweet melody in track 8 of the A.I. promo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Quick question (I think Wael plays, so he might know): Do oboe players suck? hahah Some do, and some don't. In high school, most of players sucked, save one that was fairly decent... and we had one that was awesome, but he graduated my freshman year, so that was that. In college, though, pretty much all of the oboists are very talented - even the last chair oboist! haha LOL Thanks, though I was referring to the way they play the instrument . . . I wondered if they suck in as opposed to blowing out like most players.And yes, French horn takes a while for people to get good at because it's one of the most difficult instruments to play. For me, I'm sure playing the trumpet for eight years before moving on to horn really helped.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I quite like the oboe's use in the early stages of 'Love Theme From Superman (Track 14, Disc 2 of the Rhino release).Oh, man, I absolutely adore that part. I like the clarity of that part on the Boston Pops recording. BTW, I thought it was an english horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 It's easy to name Williams' best oboe use, but now try Goldsmith. What about Horner. The love theme played by this instrument (or english horn) is one of the best stuff I've heard. Very erotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 What was used for "The Conversation" in Close Encounters? Was that an English horn or oboe?That was one of the first things that crossed my mind too. There are different versions of this (Close Encounters - The Ultimate John Williams Film Music Collection and "Wild Signals" on the collectors edition of the soundtrack). They use an oboe sound, but it is pretty obviously synthesized (and the tuba sound for that matter). It would pretty much need to be since the tempo starts getting impossibly fast and in the soundtrack, doing weird things with pitch and intonation.If I remember well, Williams recorded everyhting with acoustic instruments, and then they "played" with the recording in the studio, giving it a synthetised quality.As I relisten to Wild Signals the oboe does sound acoustic (with a vibraphone et al). On the other hand, the version on Close Encounters - The Ultimate John Williams Film Music Collection is pretty clearly a synthesized instrument. Not only is the timbre quite different, but the vibrato is pretty obviously a looped pattern. Interesting that perhap some versions are synthesized and some not. Makes me wonder what JW prefers. As he generally names CEO3K as his favorite soundtrack, I would suppose he has an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 What about the recording on Sony Classical's "Williams on Williams"? I wish that version would have been purely acoustic. Williams The Imperial MarchSkywalker Symphony OrchestraJohn Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 What about the recording on Sony Classical's "Williams on Williams"? I wish that version would have been purely acoustic. Williams The Imperial MarchSkywalker Symphony OrchestraJohn WilliamsMe too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Probably that AI melody, I think that the selection of an Oboe in AI was perfect for the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 hmm,that's quite vague Morn.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeekUYoda 0 Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Quick question (I think Wael plays, so he might know): Do oboe players suck? hahah Some do, and some don't. In high school, most of players sucked, save one that was fairly decent... and we had one that was awesome, but he graduated my freshman year, so that was that. In college, though, pretty much all of the oboists are very talented - even the last chair oboist! haha LOL Thanks, though I was referring to the way they play the instrument . . . I wondered if they suck in as opposed to blowing out like most players.And yes, French horn takes a while for people to get good at because it's one of the most difficult instruments to play. For me, I'm sure playing the trumpet for eight years before moving on to horn really helped.Ray BarnsburyThey don't suck in to play, but they sure look like they do because there's so much back-pressure from blowing so much air through a tiny little opening. Hence the veins popping out and why they can go for such long times without breathing. It's really amazing how different the instruments are to learn. If you give somebody a saxophone and a hundred hours in a practice room, they'll come out sounding much better than someone else with those same 100 hours and a horn, oboe, or bassoon. That's funny, Ray - I played the horn first before starting trumpet, (and played both for a while), but I liked horn better too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 The horn is the most amazing instrument, apart from the violin!(I'm sure this comment was off topic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 . . . I was referring to the way they play the instrument . . . I wondered if they suck in as opposed to blowing out like most players.Ray BarnsburyThey don't suck in to play, but they sure look like they do because there's so much back-pressure from blowing so much air through a tiny little opening. Hence the veins popping out and why they can go for such long times without breathing. Makes oboe players sound like they're gasping when they take a breath since they have to both expel their old breath and take in a new one- usually very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 It's really amazing how different the instruments are to learn. If you give somebody a saxophone and a hundred hours in a practice room, they'll come out sounding much better than someone else with those same 100 hours and a horn, oboe, or bassoon. Yeah, saxaphones are the easiest to learn and the hardest to master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Probably that AI melody, I think that the selection of an Oboe in AI was perfect for the music.Ah, that's right. That's part is lovely. But in the score you can hardly hear it. You can hear it best in some recording I found somewhere from the 2001 Hollywood Bowl concert, which was a concert I attended Williams Concerto for Tuba and OrchestraChester Schmidtz, tubaThe Boston Pops OrchestraJohn Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 There's both David's Theme (The Reunion)and Teddy's theme also played on oboeK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Well it's all on that AI promo with the unlabelled tracks, heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 There's both David's Theme (The Reunion)and Teddy's theme also played on oboeK.M.Otherwise know as "Theme from A.I." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I thought it was called "Mind-Controlling Super-Mechas, We Salute You!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Soemthign like that too, heh heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Teddy's theme is just the incidental music when he is introduced in the movie,but its on the oboe.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYPHER 1 Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 I was just thinking about the oboe the other day! I was listening to Stepmom, specifically "The Days Between" and I had a revelatory 'oboe moment' in which, for one of the first times, I consciously thought - "That oboe sounds awesome!" So I would nominate certain cues from Stepmom and Angela's Ashes as Williams' best use of the oboe (specific I know, but I can't recall details at present). Incidentally, both featured John Ellis performing the solo oboe duties. But I'll have to go back and listen to "Across the Stars" with my newfound oboe awareness and appreciation! CYPHERPS - does anyone else think John desperately needs to write an oboe concerto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 First he needs to write a piano concerto!And record the horn concerto *desperately wanna hear* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYPHER 1 Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 Okay, sorry to keep flogging this seemingly dead horse, but I seem to be suddenly struck by a bout of oboe obsession at the moment. This instrument just sounds lovely!!! Does anyone here play it? Or know of anyone who does? What kind of person is attracted to playing an oboe in anycase? Sensual, energetic, placid, poetic, dedicated etc? Anyway ... :oops: I listened to "across the Stars" the other day, with both ears out for the oboe: nice, nice, but not the best. It seems a bit too muted. Perhaps it's the recording though. I've heard much more crisp oboe passages. Such as the little snippet towards the end of "Anakin is Free" from The Phantom Menace UE. Now that is quality righ there .CYPHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 What kind of person is attracted to playing an oboe in anycase? Sensual, energetic, placid, poetic, dedicated etc? Musicians who are sensitive enough to play such an evocative instrument, but brave enough to place their entire career on a temperamental reed that performs differently depending on the humidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 Oboe players take a LONG time to get good . . . In my high school or college bands, I've really never heard one that sounds as good as soundtrack recordings Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 There's the Kasuke Wakao ac.d.,a lot of Williams themes on Oboe solo with orchestra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 There's the Kasuke Wakao ac.d.,a lot of Williams themes on Oboe solo with orchestraWakao is acompanied by string quartet, piano and harp, not orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 What CD is that?Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYPHER 1 Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 Yeah, it sounds interesting ... Anyway thanks nja and Ray for your thoughts re: 'what makes a good oboe player.' I was briefly considering having a fictional character I've created for a narrative I'm writing play the oboe, but I've now decided against it. She doesn't have anywhere near the time, dedication or dare I say it, sensitivity to do a good job LOL.Or maybe, she's a failed oboe player, a fact that testifies to her lack of the requisite personal and technical requirements... Hmmm CYPHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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