Greggeth 1 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 JW was recently quoted that he hadn't seen the final version of AOTC, and that he hoped to go to his local cineplex and see it....anyone know if JW has seen the "real" version yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 If he did, he probably wouldn't say so because he's probably not very happy.~Harry, who isn't happy about the score either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggeth 1 Posted May 21, 2002 Author Share Posted May 21, 2002 can you imagine his quiet seething rage after hearing what GL had done? Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 I'm sure it's not as bad as when Alex North saw 2001 - A Space Odyssey for the first time. He had written and recorded music for that film, and went to the premiere expecting to hear his music. Instead, Kubrick replaced the entire score with classical music.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 That had to be aweful to sit through that. I would have walked out.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 I thought North only composed half an hour before being told not to finish?At any rate, isn't the Varese re-recording only half an hour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 He was told that the rest of the movie wouldn't need score as it was just going to be sound effects and breathing. The age old wish is that North would have scored the Stargate sequence. Even though I think the classical music in 2001 has a deeper smbolic meaning in context with the film (and I think it works better), I too would have loved to hear what he would have come up with for it.NP: Schindler's List Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 isn't the Varese re-recording only half an hour?And apparently, becasue of a clerical error, the "Entr'acte" music isn't for 2001 at all, but was music written by North for a television mini series, though I can't confirm that.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 That is weird, compose music for something you have not seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 That is weird, compose music for something you have not seen.I'm not sure I understand.~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 Me neither, Don't worry. :lookaround: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 After seeing 2001, North probably thought his score would have worked to excite the slllllloooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwand dulllllllllllllllllllllllllllll kubrick film. Joe, who has seen 2001 quite alot, but never has figured out why it is a classic. Hell I even had a college course where for 3 weeks we discussed and digested the film. I got an A but mine was the "minority report". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 That had to be aweful to sit through that. I would have walked out. But, it was one of his favourite films.I thought North only composed half an hour before being told not to finish? 40 minutes, in 2 weeks as well, he worked so hard that he was hospitalised from illness that he received from the pressures.Even though I think the classical music in 2001 has a deeper smbolic meaning in context with the film (and I think it works better), I disagree, the North score is designed to resemible the symbolic parts of the temp track so that has score can be just as symbolic.And apparently, becasue of a clerical error, the "Entr'acte" music isn't for 2001 at all, but was music written by North for a television mini series, though I can't confirm that.True, I have a copy of it, it's called Africa, a very good score too.JW was recently quoted that he hadn't seen the final version of AOTC, and that he hoped to go to his local cineplex and see it.... Ford Thaxton however said the re-editing was done by by Williams own editor, Ken Wannberg, that means that Williams was probably fully aware of what was happening and means that Lucas had the decency to let Williams editor do the editing, which is almost like letting Williams do it himself. However, Thaxton isn't the most reliable source.Morn - An Alex North fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 After seeing 2001, North probably thought his score would have worked to excite the slllllloooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwand dulllllllllllllllllllllllllllll kubrick film. Joe, who has seen 2001 quite alot, but never has figured out why it is a classic. Hell I even had a college course where for 3 weeks we discussed and digested the film. I got an A but mine was the "minority report".Hilarious, Joe. Hillllllllllaaaaaaaaaarrrrrious!Dan - happy Joe is not a film critic..... :lookaround: "Main Theme" from The Prince Of Tides (Howard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickenstein 0 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Even though I think the classical music in 2001 has a deeper smbolic meaning in context with the film (and I think it works better)' date=' [/quote']I disagree, the North score is designed to resemible the symbolic parts of the temp track so that has score can be just as symbolic.Morn - An Alex North fanYou're missing the point. North's score is great music too and it works in the film. I'm not saying otherwise. The temp score has a more non-musical meaning though. The fact that Thus Spake Zarathustra itself was used IS part of the symbolic meaning. Thus Spake Zarathustra was a piece of music written for a work by Nietzsche of the same name. In it, Nietzche writes about man achieving the next level of evolution and becoming something more. That's basically what the entire movie 2001 is about. You can't get the same thing out of North's score (and it has nothing to do with the actual music).2001 is one of my favorite movies btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 I was gonna make a post like this.Will anyone actually know when Williams sees it? I know he said he'll see it someday soon when the crowds have died down. Man.......I would LOVE yet HATE to be there for that. Poor guy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 I'm sure he's already seen it. After all, he lives near one of the best theatres in the world and it is a SW film. I'm sure he went with his grandchildren. And, come to think of it, he probably sat next to some booger-picking SW geek who started bouncing when he heard "The Imperial March" in the movie.Dan - wondering if Johnny's ever come to the point of "hating" the SW Main Theme "Changes" from The Others (Amenàbar) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 You're missing the point. North's score is great music too and it works in the film. I'm not saying otherwise. The temp score has a more non-musical meaning though. The fact that Thus Spake Zarathustra itself was used IS part of the symbolic meaning. Thus Spake Zarathustra was a piece of music written for a work by Nietzsche of the same name. In it, Nietzche writes about man achieving the next level of evolution and becoming something more. That's basically what the entire movie 2001 is about. You can't get the same thing out of North's score (and it has nothing to do with the actual music).Your missing my point North's main title theme is supposed to resemble Thus Spake Zarathustra, so it keeps it's symbolic meaning by refering to it in a similar way to how Williams does with the Superman main theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 So did North compose music for the first 40 minutes of the film, or did he compose 40 minutes of music, that would have been used in various parts of the film?-Jason, who hasn't seen the movie in quite some time and is thinking he should rent it again....... "The Arena pt2" aka Going after Dooku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 I'm pretty sure he wrote music for the first half of the film, up until the intermission.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 I've never seen that movie, nor heard North's score.Dan - who wonders if Spartacus could've been Kubrick and North's collaboration highlight. "One Kiss" from Pay It Forward (T. Newman) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 It was, and you hear and see, ok? :!: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoy 1 Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 I'm pretty sure he wrote music for the first half of the film, up until the intermission.NeilNeil,Just out of total curiousity, what do you mean by intermission? Do you mean the end of the first reel or do you actually stop the film in the middle like in the old days?Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 What about the track Interior Orion? That probably refers to the end of the film, in the novel the Orion is the ship near jupiter if I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Yes, I hear and see quite well, actually. I wouldn't say "perfect", but "quite well" is an adequate description.Dan - whose Mother gasped in horror when she learned her son hadn't seen Casablanca nor Gone With The Wind and is a filmmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCFKevin 0 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Hey, neither have I, Dan, and I consider myself a movie buff!OH the irony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Wouldn't someone get a kick out of seeing Mr. Williams attending a SW screening at the same time? I think that would be fun to see him watching the movie. Of course, I'd have to go talk to him then. ~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 I wouldn't watch the last half, because I'd be watching his reaction(s).Dan - whose seen a movie with Johnny before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Dan - whose Mother gasped in horror when she learned her son hadn't seen Casablanca nor Gone With The Wind and is a filmmaker FOR SHAME! GO SEE THEM NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 I wouldn't watch the last half, because I'd be watching his reaction(s).Dan - whose seen a movie with Johnny beforeYou're too mysterious here. Why don't you reveal your identity?~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Maybe he's Spielberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 That would be fun! I can press him with my campaign to have him direct SW:III!!!~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 (insert Lucas laughter here)If I were Spielberg, wouldn't I be too busy to post here. You know, with scoring sessions with Johnny and editing sessions with Mike and lunch here and there with Tom and Tom.I mean.......c'mon. What are the odds of that, guys?Dan - fueling uncertainty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Pretty low But, you've almost finished miniority report haven't you? Well, who are you really, Oliver Stone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 No, but I have worked with Ollie before.Director - fueling uncertainty still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Well,also remember Goldsmith got the shaft from Ridley Scott in Alien and Legend(and I will keep insisting that Legend incident changed Goldsmith's way of scoring films to this day.)K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Director 1 Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Very true, your Majesty.Director - being respectful to Dark Lords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 What did you work with Stone as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Garrett 153 Posted December 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2022 I think it's safe to say that he's seen the final version by now. Stark, Giftheck, ThePenitentMan1 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Garrett said: I think it's safe to say that he's seen the final version by now. I don't think he has. He can't even remember it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 I'm going to take a wild guess and say that @Director is either Dan Halsted or Daniel Pyne. Probably the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 312 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 I was a baby when this thread was made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,860 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Stark said: I was a baby when this thread was made I was 3 and a couple months. This thread is something🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,432 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 I was just a child. On 21/05/2002 at 6:07 AM, Director said: Hilarious, Joe. Hillllllllllaaaaaaaaaarrrrrious! Dan - happy Joe is not a film critic..... :lookaround: "Main Theme" from The Prince Of Tides (Howard) This was posted on the day of my 9th anniversary. Oh how I wish to go back to those days... 20 hours ago, Garrett said: I think it's safe to say that he's seen the final version by now. For his own mental sanity, I hope Williams forgot he saw this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,651 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 I was already old. I am now just older. I still wish Williams had been given the opportunity (and maybe he did and passed) to score the tracked-music scenes during the sessions for RoTs or such. Stark and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 I was 13. That’s young, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,860 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, blondheim said: I was 13. That’s young, right? From a certain point of view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted December 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Brando said: From a certain point of view A certain point of view?! Brando, Manakin Skywalker and GlastoEls 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,860 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 55 minutes ago, blondheim said: A certain point of view?! If you were 13 and I was 3, does that make me too young? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 34 minutes ago, Brando said: If you were 13 and I was 3, does that make me too young? Too young for what? You know what, it doesn't matter: YES Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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