Which Of These Williams Cues Are Ghost Written?

[Ollie 859]

I've decided to have a little fun with this.

[Lurker 5]

Steef brought up an excellent point about the revised "Sail Barge Assault" (formerly "Return of the Jedi"). If it was a cue Steiner worked on, do you really think it would have been included on the original album?

Neil

[Ollie 859]

Of course it wouldn't......

[Jeshopk 8]

I voted for Superstructure Chase, but I don't think that would really count as ghost writing. So I also vote for "none".

Anybody out there think we can take look at Williams' cue sheets and manuscripts? Besides me? Who's got connections, or advice on the matter?

[Ollie 859]

Actually all of those cues are included on the various CDs that have been released, but what about those suddenly missing cues such as the various versions of Lapki Nek and some the souce music from Jabba's Palace......

the mystery deepens.........

[Jeshopk 8]

Actually all of those cues are included on the various CDs

I was referring to cue sheets. Ghost writers often get credit indicated on the cue sheet, a piece of paper created to keep track of the cues in the production.

The best indication would be to see the manuscripts of the original scores (unorchestrated) from Williams' own bookshelf. That would be the trick.

[ymenard 35]

Well whatever the term "ghost-writing" means, does our definition really mean the real thing? Let's say John only had 3 days to complete a specific cue for ROTJ (for editing reasons, sfx reasons,etc..), perhaps he gave a specific time lapse to somebody else, let's say he gave to somebody else a 45 second cue. That cue, in the end, might have not been his to start with, but when it came back to Johnny, he probably added stuff to it, decided of the orchestration,etc...

I mean let's not bodly go "Ghost writters means Johnny had 0% input on these portions of the score or he sold his artistic soul". The % might be 90%, you know he simply said to somebody else "I don't have the time right now to finish the last 40 beats of this cue, can you continue it? After you're done with it, check it out with me". He then perhaps redid it to his taste, added parts,modified it, etc.. Or perhaps he let it as it was. But we shouldn't say such thing when none of us really knows what happens during a John Williams recording, behind the scenes.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

     

Steef brought up an excellent point about the revised "Sail Barge Assault" (formerly "Return of the Jedi").  If it was a cue Steiner worked on, do you really think it would have been included on the original album?

Neil

As I remember it, you strongly disagreed with this point.

Superstructure Chase would be the most obvious candidate, since unlike Sail Barge Assault, it's almost completely music from SW.

Also it feels more cut & paste then Sail Barge Assault does.

[Morn 7]

I agree. Mind you Sail Barge Assault could easily be ghost written, it's music from the alternate plus ANH.