How excited are you about Ep.3, the score?

[John Crichton 4]

Cast your vote!

[Danielle 0]

Cautiously optimistic. I really think that Williams could do something special for this, but I don't want to get my hopes up too much.

[Ollie 859]

I'm always excited for a new Williams score no matter what film it is written for.

[King Mark 2,924]

First option,nothing less.

K.M.Who can die after that.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Both TPM and AOTC were not as good as I hoped.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Both TPM and AOTC were not as good as I hoped.

[Henry B 49]

Yeah, first. It isn't Williams' most anticipated score for most people, but I assume you intended that option to mean most excited, with "Lucas sucks" being the least excited.

[John Crichton 4]

Yeah, first. It isn't Williams' most anticipated score for most people, but I assume you intended that option to mean most excited, with "Lucas sucks" being the least excited.

Got it in one.

Well, the Lucas sucks option and the I couldn't care less option are about the same, but I felt that our fellow MBers who live and breathe to hate Lucas needed their own option. All in good fun, of course.

[Morlock 9]

I am cautiously ecstatic. TPM was better than I could've ever imagined, AoTC was a big dissapointment.

[pixie_twinkle 44]

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Both TPM and AOTC were not as good as I hoped.

Same here.

[Henry B 49]

KM and I are the only fanatics?

[Trent B 317]

KM and I are the only fanatics?

Nope you guys are not alone. I for one can't wait for the score. Gonna be buying it when it comes out and yes before I see the film which is something I rarely do, but for Star Wars and Trek it's an exception.

Trent

[John Crichton 4]

KM and I are the only fanatics?

So am I. I voted for option two instead of one only because my excitement right now is the same as before TPM, so Ep. 3 isn't the "most anticipated ever" for me, yet. That might change as it gets closer.

After I hear Ep. 3 for the first time I might be quoting Lt. George from Blackadder 4:

"I hope I snuff it right now so I preserve this moment forever!"

John- finding the semantics in his own poll.

[JoeinAR 1,759]

KM and I are the only fanatics?

well since AOTC sucked a big one, and is possibly the worst score John Williams has written in more than a decade, and George Lucas is likely to be editing up until May 24th, 2005, give us reason to be hopeful, and we might try to be, as it is, the future for the next Star Wars score is bleak, dismal, and frustrating.

Still Chris Clemmensen gave it 5 stars so you know its gotta be good

[Rogue_Leader 2]

After AOTC I am withholding overwhelming interest but I am definitely looking forward to it.

[diskobolus 3]

After AOTC I am withholding overwhelming interest but I am definitely looking forward to it.

True but simply the fact that it is the last Star Wars score composed by Williams demands rapt anticipation.

[Rogue_Leader 2]

After AOTC I am withholding overwhelming interest but I am definitely looking forward to it.

True but simply the fact that it is the last Star Wars score composed by Williams demands rapt anticipation.

Yeah kind of. I just hope this score is more thematically rich than the last one.

[SeekUYoda 0]

#1 - really excited!

SeekUYoda, also a fanatic with KM and Cerrabore

[Henry B 49]

well since AOTC sucked a big one, and is possibly the worst score John Williams has written in more than a decade, and George Lucas is likely to be editing up until May 24th, 2005, give us reason to be hopeful, and we might try to be, as it is, the future for the next Star Wars score is bleak, dismal, and frustrating.

Since Attack of the Clones, Williams has written several excellent scores. Do you think this score will be lower in quality just because he's going back to Star Wars? Lucas' editing could damage the music as heard in the movie and stop a few scenes from being scored, at the worst.

[Rogue_Leader 2]

Lucas ....... yes ....... always to blame Lucas is!

[Miz 114]

I think the music in the film, provided it is scored after final edits (the Lucas/hacking jokes and rants are getting tiresome now) will be superb. It's the album release I'm afraid of - AOTC wasn't as well presented as TPM on a one-disc album. There's going to be some critical cues that will surely kick arse, but I have reservations as to whether the best ones will be released.

Also, I think we need to stop speculating because we'll build up our expectations and have them knocked down (or maybe sideways). This kind of hype simply isn't healthy - you'd enjoy the score much more when it's released in little under a year if you shut up about it. Do you seriously think we can keep going on about it for that long?

[Lurker 5]

Neil

[Elmo Lewis 6]

I think the music in the film, provided it is scored after final edits (the Lucas/hacking jokes and rants are getting tiresome now) will be superb. It's the album release I'm afraid of - AOTC wasn't as well presented as TPM on a one-disc album. There's going to be some critical cues that will surely kick arse, but I have reservations as to whether the best ones will be released.

Also, I think we need to stop speculating because we'll build up our expectations and have them knocked down (or maybe sideways). This kind of hype simply isn't healthy - you'd enjoy the score much more when it's released in little under a year if you shut up about it. Do you seriously think we can keep going on about it for that long?

That's weird, one usually never hears the voice of reason in threads like these.

-Ross, who finds it kind of funny that some persitent prequel bashers have had enough of E.T. walkie-talkie jokes.

[diskobolus 3]

After AOTC I am withholding overwhelming interest but I am definitely looking forward to it.

True but simply the fact that it is the last Star Wars score composed by Williams demands rapt anticipation.

Yeah kind of. I just hope this score is more thematically rich than the last one.

Yeah when I first heard AOTC, I loved Across the Stars, but gradually accepted the fact that the rest of the score was subpar. On top of that, its chainsaw massacre use in the film didn't help much. I just hope that doesn't happen for Episode III. Who might get a theme, anyway?

[King Mark 2,924]

. It's the album release I'm afraid of - AOTC wasn't as well presented as TPM on a one-disc album. ?

Are you kidding?As far as an album presentation goes,AotC is one of Williams best,too bad the music is not so good.I have listened to the unreleased music "extracts",and not much great music was left off the album(well there is Anakin's Confession or Shmi's Funeral,but not much else).Lots of broody underscore with the "separatist" motif,which is kinda lame. And the album is much better than the score edits in the film.

k.M.

[HPFAN_2 0]

I don't care what movie it is. It's Williams that's reason enough to be excited.

[Rogue_Leader 2]

I hope Williams really pulls out all the stops for the Episode III score. I mean seeing as how this is supposedly the last SW film Williams needs to really deliver an awe inspiring score to give the series a greatr send off.

Well really the send off is 21 years late, but that is another matter.

[Miz 114]

. It's the album release I'm afraid of - AOTC wasn't as well presented as TPM on a one-disc album. ?

Are you kidding?As far as an album presentation goes,AotC is one of Williams best,too bad the music is not so good.I have listened to the unreleased music "extracts",and not much great music was left off the album(well there is Anakin's Confession or Shmi's Funeral,but not much else).Lots of broody underscore with the "separatist" motif,which is kinda lame. And the album is much better than the score edits in the film.

What I meant was that i found the one-CD release of TPM to be more enjoyable, well-rounded and thematic than the one-CD release of AOTC, regardless of their use in the film. Let's see...action cues. The Droid Battle, Anakin defeats Sebulba, Panaka and the Queen's Protectors and Qui-Gon's Noble End are simply more exhilarating cues than The Chase Through Coruscant (which begins promisingly, but simply runs out of breath by half-way through), Bounty Hunter's Escape (hardly worthwhile), Jango's Escape (probably the only cue on par with...) The Arena (which, sags in the middle like Chase, but redeems itself). And the gentler cues in AOTC are far less appealing - almost 4 cues are realistically just various arrangements of the love theme (be they melancholy, playful or swelling). There's just not the variety of TPM's OST cues.

So basically what I'm trying to say is, when the score for Episode 3 gets a single-CD release, I hope its structure bears more resemblance to TPM's than AOTC's.

[John Crichton 4]

You seem to be commenting more on the music than the structure of the CD. There are more action cues on the TPM OST because TPM has more action cues. With the love story and Obi-Wan mystery solving plotlines, and the disaster of the Battle of Geonosis, there are few action cues in AOTC.

If you follow the 2 C's rule (Complete and Cronological) that most of us want our CDs to follow, AOTC kills TPM. AOTC is generally in film order and has most of the important cues from the film. TPM is hacked to pieces with many tracks made up of cues from opposite ends of the film. Some tracks are even 3 or 4 cues from all over the place! And many great moments are left off the CD in favor of "Arrival at Coruscant" appearing twice and two presentations of both Duel of the Fates and Anakin's Theme.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

John is correct, TPM may be the worst CD Williams ever put together in terms of offering a satisfying listening experience.

[Justin 2]

I'm with Neil I only voted to see the results.

Justin

[MSM 85]

I have been thinking a while and I think I must conclude that I am really excited.

[MSM 85]

I'm with Neil I only voted to see the results.

Justin

Don't understand that option since one can view the results without voting.

[Henry B 49]

I don't really understand the logic of not looking forward to the Episode III score at all, unless you're simply not in to that kind of music. (John Williams music :?). There's the "Attack of the Clones was subpar, so this will be too, despite a couple of great scores inbetween the two," argument, there's "Everything about the Star Wars prequels sucks," and there's "John Williams will write a bad score just because he's pissed at Lucas' treatment of his music." None are very valid...

[Miz 114]

You seem to be commenting more on the music than the structure of the CD. There are more action cues on the TPM OST because TPM has more action cues. With the love story and Obi-Wan mystery solving plotlines, and the disaster of the Battle of Geonosis, there are few action cues in AOTC.

If you follow the 2 C's rule (Complete and Cronological) that most of us want our CDs to follow, AOTC kills TPM. AOTC is generally in film order and has most of the important cues from the film. TPM is hacked to pieces with many tracks made up of cues from opposite ends of the film. Some tracks are even 3 or 4 cues from all over the place! And many great moments are left off the CD in favor of "Arrival at Coruscant" appearing twice and two presentations of both Duel of the Fates and Anakin's Theme.

Good points. I suppose TPM's presentation was lacking, but I feel the tracks worked well within each other regardless of film orders and that there was a better spread of the material available.

Some tracks are even 3 or 4 cues from all over the place! And many great moments are left off the CD in favor of "Arrival at Coruscant" appearing twice and two presentations of both Duel of the Fates and Anakin's Theme.

I believe that repeated material to be a better listen (possibly even suitable bookends to the score) than the many tracks featuring rather similar (and somewhat bland) treatment of 'Across the Stars'. And the order was far from perfect in AOTC - plus that farce with the bonus track (if it can be included, include it everywhere and put the track in the correct place!). I'd be seriously pissed if Ep3 OST got such a treatment.

Also, while I'm in stoned ranting/idealistic mode, what' wrong with repeated impressive material. Wouldn't it be great to have a traditional end-credits thematic performance, with a dark Rebellion theme iris out followed by Duel of the Fates-esque Final Duel*, into a bombastic Imperial March (perhaps intertwined) that explodes into a final tragic Across the Stars (see a parallel to any superb end-credit cues?) that concludes with an obligatory Force Theme/Main Theme finale. Ok, so that didn't have much to do with my argument - just got carried away fantasising...

*This Post Contains Purely Speculative Track Names

[QMM 4]

since he isn't scoring GOF, should prolly take that option off

[Henry B 49]

With the future of The Goblet of Fire now looking bleak, this score is more important than ever...

Also, while I'm in stoned ranting/idealistic mode, what' wrong with repeated impressive material. Wouldn't it be great to have a traditional end-credits thematic performance, with a dark Rebellion theme iris out followed by Duel of the Fates-esque Final Duel*, into a bombastic Imperial March (perhaps intertwined) that explodes into a final tragic Across the Stars (see a parallel to any superb end-credit cues?) that concludes with an obligatory Force Theme/Main Theme finale. Ok, so that didn't have much to do with my argument - just got carried away fantasising...

I'd like a return to the fast, "direct" segues of the Original Trilogy. In the prequel End Credits the Main Theme fades out, and Duel of the Fates or Across the Stars fades in, but in the OT the segues are much quicker. I particularly like the segue of The Empire Strikes Back where Yoda's Theme chimes in so quickly it takes a second to register that you're not listening to a reprise of the Main Theme anymore! Also -- this is going to sound stupid, but -- I like the End Credits segue from the "Rogue Squadron" video game, you can download it here. The sound quality sucks, and the music itself is not that great to begin with, but it's a nice segue.

[John Crichton 4]

QMM, unfortunately you can't edit polls once a vote has been cast or I would take that option off. Only a few people voted for it anyway.

Cerrabore, the reason that the segues are different now is becaue JW doesn't compose and record end title suites the way he used to, for any film. They're all just slopped together edits of the concert pieces or cues put together in the editing suite instead of "on the stage". There might be a new beginning or end recorded, but that's about it.

When was the last time he composed a proper end credits suite? It must have been an 80s score.

[Henry B 49]

Yeah, I know...so I'll add to the "quicker, direct" segues suggestion "NEW recording of the End Credits."

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

When was the last time he composed a proper end credits suite? It must have been an 80s score.

Far and Away ('92) has a fresh suite for the end credits. As for after that, I'm not sure.

Ray Barnsbury

[Adam 1]

The Patriot, Harry's Wondrous World - to name a couple

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Those are either concert suites doubling as End Credits, or End Credits doubling as concert suites.

[Adam 1]

If Harry's Wondrous World had been called End Credits and placed as the last track would it still be a concert piece doubling as the end credits? Both my examples are original pieces which appear in the end credits in the film and both present most of the major themes of their movies. The fact that JW gives them a different name on the album or places the suite out of order in the album shouldn't really change anything. If so, he should be faulted for how he labels his albums, not for not writing end credit suites.

- Adam

[Henry B 49]

Unfortunately, "Harry's Wondrous World" is not the entire End Credits Suite. It is followed by "Hedwig's Theme," which was recorded separately, making the End Credits another cut + paste job (albeit a good one). There's also a bad edit somewhere in the middle of HWW.

[John Crichton 4]

This isn't a new trend either, though. According to the Superman booklet (Rhino release), the concert piece for the love theme was recorded only because the main theme reprise wasn't long enough for the whole end credits. It was then slopped on the end. Just think, if it weren't for that we might not have gotten one of JW's best concert presentations ever.

[Lurker 5]

This isn't a new trend either, though. According to the Superman booklet (Rhino release), the concert piece for the love theme was recorded only because the main theme reprise wasn't long enough for the whole end credits. It was then slopped on the end. Just think, if it weren't for that we might not have gotten one of JW's best concert presentations ever.

The end titles on Superman - The Movie ran long so Williams concert piece "The Love Theme from Superman" was tracked in over the end titles. It was recorded for the album but wound up in the film.

An annoying thing again about the DVD release of this movie is that the ending of this track is repeated several times while the extended restoration credits play, however a section of the theme is cut out still, which was done in 1978 to get it to end in time with the credits. Wouldn't it have been easier for the people who cut the new sound mix to put in the whole track and then re-edit accordingly?

Neil

[fommes 126]

Wouldn't it have been easier for the people who cut the new sound mix to put in the whole track and then re-edit accordingly?

Yes, it would.

If they had known this.

And even then.