Most "politically incorrect" Williams statements.

[John Crichton 4]

Hope no one minds, I know we've got a few posts about this in the Superman thread, but I thought this deserved a thread of it's own. Credit and thanks to MSM for coming up with the idea in the first place!

Here's what we have so far:

I like the Star Wars prequels.

I like the scores to The Patriot and Attack of the Clones.

I don't like the complete ET score that much, it drags in the middle.

Joe, who rebels against those who love the scores to Hook, & LC, those who love AI, and several other general opinions of the board.

Watch this: I think that the Special Editions enhanced the original Star Wars movies.

I don't think Star Wars is such a good movie to begin with. I'd take Jurassic Park over Jaws. And Always is one of my favorite romantic scores. Oh, and I like Amistad - the movie.

Worst of all... I don't see such a big quality leap between the Original Trilogy (except for The Empire Strikes Back, of course) and the Prequel Trilogy.

Return of the Jedi is a big unwatchable piece of garbage.

I like the scores to The Patriot and Attack of the Clones.

I don't particularly like the Flying Theme from E.T.

I don't think the score to A.I. is anywhere near as good as it's made out to be, I quite like the score to The Patriot, and I'm a James Horner completist   .

Pirates of the Caribbean's score is way better than Hook's.

I would like to see a Superman VI by Michael Bay.

Keep 'em coming, this is fun!

[Henry B 49]

Well, I don't think QuestionMarkMan was being serious...now for some more statements!

The new editions of the Star Wars Trilogy are looking good.

"Jedi Rocks" is pretty cool, despite not being composed by Williams (sequence in film, ehhhh).

The placement of the Imperial March in "Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale" was excellent, and the edits are not very obvious.

"Aunt Marge's Waltz" -

Close Encounters of the Third Kind "Suite" - ditto.

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets is an excellent score except for the parts where Sorceror's Stone music is reused and "Meeting Aragog."

Hayden Christenson is a pretty good actor.

Digging my own grave...

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

I thought that you meant John T williams quotes.

I found one that said:

'I dont care how many oscars i have, but the many ones that i have lost to other composers over the years'

They said that williams was famous by hi good humour and gentle mnood, but that also had those kinds of quotes. I personally think that that quote sound more like a joke... Does anyone know that story?

[Magnus 0]

I think that quote comes from a CNN interview.... I think I have it on the harddrive somewhere... and seeing the interview you can tell it was more of a joke...

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

thank goodness, i didnt want to picture Williams as rude as that

But anyway, the guy must be pissed off, some of his losses have been with his best works over 'crap'...

[MSM 85]

Thanks John for continuing the subject .

You forgot my own statement: I would like to see a Superman VI by Michael Bay.

MSM - who bought the Superman DVD yesterday and will view it asap.

[Miguel Andrade 964]

I thought that you meant John T williams quotes.

I found one that said:

'I dont care how many oscars i have, but the many ones that i have lost to other composers over the years'

They said that williams was famous by hi good humour and gentle mnood, but that also had those kinds of quotes. I personally think that that quote sound more like a joke... Does anyone know that story?

Yes, he was just saying it as a joke.

[John Crichton 4]

I thought that you meant John T williams quotes.

No, this thread is supposed to be a chance for us all to showcase potenitally unpopular opinions about Williams and his related movies. The original subject was "YOUR most "politically incorrect" Williams statements", but the end of statements kept getting cut off, so I dumped the "your". Sorry about the confusion.

Thanks John for continuing the subject   .

Your welcome. I think this can be a great thread, and needed to be seperate from the Superman discussion. And sorry for missing your quote, I put it up top.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

I thought that you meant John T williams quotes.

I found one that said:

'I dont care how many oscars i have, but the many ones that i have lost to other composers over the years'

They said that williams was famous by hi good humour and gentle mnood, but that also had those kinds of quotes. I personally think that that quote sound more like a joke... Does anyone know that story?

Yes, he was just saying it as a joke.

Good, 100% guaranteed now

Those guys in the page made a very big mistake indeed, it looked Williams was ego-inflated. Now if i could find it again to point it to them...

[Miguel Andrade 964]

I thought that you meant John T williams quotes.

I found one that said:

'I dont care how many oscars i have, but the many ones that i have lost to other composers over the years'

They said that williams was famous by hi good humour and gentle mnood, but that also had those kinds of quotes. I personally think that that quote sound more like a joke... Does anyone know that story?

Yes, he was just saying it as a joke.

Good, 100% guaranteed now

Those guys in the page made a very big mistake indeed, it looked Williams was ego-inflated. Now if i could find it again to point it to them...

In fact Williams as joked about this so many times, that i wonder who can have any doubts about it...

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

I don't like the complete ET score that much, it drags in the middle.

I agree. I think the end is amazing, but it is kind of slow getting there.

Chamber of Secrets is my favorite Harry score. I think it's one of JW's best works.

"The Dark Side Beckons/The Emperor's Death" is overrated.

Jaws is overrated.

The Lost World (besides the theme and the bongo action cues) isn't that great.

The Partriot (at least the theme) is amazing.

Sabrina is amazing.

The Terminal is even better.

I like the TPM UE. I admit there are some really bad edits. I don't like the fact that Sony blatantly LIED on the cover. I really would much rather have a real complete edition. But admit it: many of us would try to make an edited film version if we had that. They just saved us the trouble.

[John Crichton 4]

Guess I'll post all of mine here, including the few above:

I like the Star Wars prequels.

I'm looking forward to seeing the changes in the OT DVDs.

I like the scores to AOTC and The Patriot.

AOTC has more going on thematically than most people realize.

I don't like the complete ET score that much. It drags too much in the middle.

Sorcerer's Stone is still my favorite HP score, I haven't gotten into PoA as much as most people.

Jaws is overrated.

The TPM UE is a bad release, but at least it's the complete score. It's a good starting point for an "Ultimate Edit", which I did. All you need is the OST, the UE, the John Takis Battle of Naboo edits, an editing program, and a willingness to do it.

Jurassic Park, other than "Journey to the Island", is overrated.

Hayden Christenson was an excellent choice for Anakin. He portrays the dark side of Anakin well, and he's going to surprise a lot of people in Ep. 3.

Whew, I think that's it!

[Henry B 49]

Arrr, you should edit all of these into the main post.

[Lurker 5]

The TPM UE is a bad release, but at least it's the complete score.

If that was the case I wouldn't complain about it.

Neil

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

It's the somewhat on the "completish" side score

[John Crichton 4]

It's certainly better than just the OST. And once you've made an "Ultimate Edit" it's actually quite a good listen. John Takis did a great job putting together a Battle of Naboo that sounds as close as we can get to what it originally was. The rest can be done just by editing out loops and putting some parts of the OST into the UE. And replacing the whole podrace sequence with what's on the OST.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

It's certainly better than just the OST. And once you've made an "Ultimate Edit" it's actually quite a good listen. John Takis did a great job putting together a Battle of Naboo that sounds as close as we can get to what it originally was. The rest can be done just by editing out loops and putting some parts of the OST into the UE. And replacing the whole podrace sequence with what's on the OST.

The fact that such an extensive editing job even has to be done proves how badly produced the TPM EU is.

It's so bad that it's just not funny.

And this is coming from someome who enjoyed editing the reissued Bond CD's in a cronological order.

[John Crichton 4]

The fact that such an extensive editing job even has to be done proves how badly produced the TPM EU is.

It's so bad that it's just not funny.

I'd call it lazy. Just pull out the iso score and slop it on a CD. Minimum costs, done in a day, and many angry JW fans left in it's wake.

John- who actually enjoys editing music, and DVD extracts are his latest obsession. But who still wants a proper complete TPM release.

[AC1 3,565]

What bad editing? I don't hear no edit cuts. Everything is as smooth as a whistle.

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Alex Cremers

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I'd call it lazy. Just pull out the iso score and slop it on a CD. Minimum costs, done in a day, and many angry JW fans left in it's wake.

What pisses me off even more is that they DID spend a large amount of time and money on the packaging.

[John Crichton 4]

What pisses me off even more is that they DID spend a large amount of time and money on the packaging.

They spent MORE time and money on the packaging than on the content of the CD. The packaging is excellent, except for the book full of stills from the film and nothing else. And the fact it lies on the back. But the color is really cool, and I wish more 2 CD sets used that kind of package.

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

What bad editing? I don't hear no edit cuts. Everything is as smooth as a whistle.

Listen to the Battle of Naboo stuff again.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

What bad editing? I don't hear no edit cuts. Everything is as smooth as a whistle.

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Alex Cremers

You have just destroyed any credibility that you might have had in the past.

[John Crichton 4]

What bad editing? I don't hear no edit cuts. Everything is as smooth as a whistle.

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Alex Cremers

You have just destroyed any credibility that you might have had in the past.

I think (I hope) that he had "sarcasm mode" on 100%. If not...well, Steef said it.

[Lurker 5]

And this is coming from someome who enjoyed editing the reissued Bond CD's in a cronological order.

Probably also because the Bond scores feature better music.

Neil

[AC1 3,565]

What bad editing? I don't hear no edit cuts. Everything is as smooth as a whistle.

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Alex Cremers

You have just destroyed any credibility that you might have had in the past.

Don't talk to me about credibility, Stefancos.

Stefancos

[John Crichton 4]

Oh the horror, the horror!

[HPFAN_2 0]

So this about unpopular opinion? Then here is some of mine.

Prisoner of Azkaban is a bad movie

Chamber of Secrets score is better than POA

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Don't talk to me about credibility, Stefancos.

HAHAHAHA!!!!

Who knows Alex is unable to understand since his countries team never get's far...ever!

But gatting back to the UE, surely you must have noticed that DOTF is tracked and repeated over and over again?

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

And this is coming from someome who enjoyed editing the reissued Bond CD's in a cronological order.

Probably also because the Bond scores feature better music.

Neil

Another one who lost credibility.

Unless you were sticking ot the sarcasm of this thread...

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

I'm a big fan of both, but I have to say the prequel scores are even better than Barry's best Bond scores.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Get a hearing aid, or some taste in music!

[Lurker 5]

I'm a big fan of both, but I have to say the prequel scores are even better than Barry's best Bond scores.

And I would disagree with that, but that's okay. Believe it or not, opinions are sometimes tolerated here.

Neil

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Yes, Neil is right, we must be tolorant of wrong opinions.

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

Believe it or not, opinions are sometimes tolerated here.

"Sometimes"

Not that I disagree, but that just struck me as funny.

[Lurker 5]

Believe it or not, opinions are sometimes tolerated here.

"Sometimes"

Not that I disagree, but that just struck me as funny.

Perhaps that was the point.

Neil

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

Perhaps that was the point.  

Perhaps I got it but just wasn't positive so I thought I'd point it out that way before I started laughing at it. Ha-HA! LOL

Aw, nevermind.

[HPFAN_2 0]

I said this to Charlesk and he thought i should post it here.

"James Newton Howard's Peter Pan ALMOST rivals Hook."

[QMM 4]

wait for it

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

I don't know about Pan rivalling Hook, but it surely is not the disappointment several reviewers found it to be by comparison. It's a great score.

Ray Barnsbury

[nja 0]

Watched the Patriot last night. Nice score, good movie, and no, I'm not being sarcastic.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Yes, Neil is right, we must be tolorant of wrong opinions.

Yeah like when 'someone' says Shadows of the Empire is better than anything Williams did on the '90s

:roll:

[Lurker 5]

Yes, Neil is right, we must be tolorant of wrong opinions.

Yeah like when 'someone' says Shadows of the Empire is better than anything Williams did on the '90s

:roll:

What can I say, Luke? I listen to that more than anything he did in the 90's because I enjoy it more. I don't have a problem with that, but you certainly do.

Neil

[John Crichton 4]

Shadows of the Empire was decent, but can't compare to anything ever written by Williams. "Night Skies" is the only really memorable cue for me, a good treatment of two of JW's best themes. "Xizor's Theme" is decent too, and the choral bits in the final battle were well done.

John- who needs to say "I love this thread!"

[Henry B 49]

Shadows of the Empire was decent, but can't compare to anything ever written by Williams. "Night Skies" is the only really memorable cue for me, a good treatment of two of JW's best themes. "Xizor's Theme" is decent too, and the choral bits in the final battle were well done.

ALL of the final battle. My God, it's amazing.