Scoring Duties in 2005

[Hlao-roo 388]

Pretending that Williams has no established loyalties to George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, which of these potential projects for 2005 would you like Williams to stay off of? Obviously, he won't be scoring at least one of them.

[Justin 2]

Geisha.

Justin - Who seriously doubts Williams will be score OOTP in '05.

[AC1 3,565]

Harry. I've heard it already.

[Guest]

That'd be funny if the title of the movie stayed "Untitled Project Regarding the Aftermath of the 1972 Munich Olympics". Terrorists wouldn't take it seriously, but the public would because it's Spielberg.

[Justin 2]

Harry. I've heard it already.  

Could you share it with the rest of us then?

Justin

[Guest]

I agree with you, Alex. All the other ones seem good. Memoirs of a Geisha isn't really something I'm interested in personally, but I do like the prospect of Williams doing a movie besides Spielberg/Lucas/HP.

[Hlao-roo 388]

Actually, I have to say that the musical possibilities for the H.G. Wells adaptations aren't too fascinating to me. Potential allegorical elements about imperialism aside, the project isn't really giving Williams anything that Independence Day didn't give Arnold...

Does the prospect of Williams scoring Martians attacking Earth really excite anyone here?

[SeekUYoda 0]

War of the Worlds - I'm too excited for ROTS and OOTP, I think the "untitled project regarding..." could turn out to be as brilliant as Schindler, and Geisha is such a wild card, kind of like the Terminal, that I don't have any idea what he'll come up with. War of the Worlds holds, IMO, the smallest possibility for brilliant Williams innovation, but I'd still love to hear it! I guess I just want to hear the others more.

[Hlao-roo 388]

War of the Worlds holds, IMO, the smallest possibility for brilliant Williams innovation

Exactly. Is there anything Williams could say here that he hasn't said already?

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Geisha.

Ray Barnsbury

[John Crichton 4]

Geisha.

John- who can live with someone else scoring OotP as long as JW does GoF.

[Hlao-roo 388]

Geisha.

I just think a human drama, particularly one that will really challenge Williams to extend his instrumental palette, perhaps more than Seven Years in Tibet, would be a much more interesting assignment than yet another special effects spectacle (War of the Worlds).

How about this: if 'Geisha' did not conflict with next Harry Potter film, would your answer still be the same?

[Hlao-roo 388]

By the way, I got mixed up with my HP titles, I apologize. I forget that the movies aren't caught up with the books. The poll option should say "Goblet of Fire," not "Order of the Phoenix."

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

I can understand that, and I really have no idea what the Geisha score would be like. But I'd much rather have "redundant" scores from well-worn genres of a large, fantastic nature than of a smaller, dramatic nature. Scores like Angela's Ashes, Schindler's List, and Seven Years in Tibet are well-written, but they just don't spend nearly as much time in my CD players as others. Call my tastes immature, but that's how they are.

Ray Barnsbury

[QMM 4]

I voted for Geisha since it was on the poll but I would have voted for The Rivals instead, a movie about catfighting 19th century divas doesnt appeal to me

[Hlao-roo 388]

I voted for Geisha since it was on the poll but I would have voted for The Rivals instead, a movie about catfighting 19th century divas doesnt appeal to me

Unless the "Angels in America" writer somehow disappoints Spielberg, the untitled Mossad/Vengeance project is more likely than The Rivals for release in 2005, I think.

[Jeshopk 8]

I vote the Olympics/Mossad project, because it seems like it would have the least music and be the most serious. Geisha, at least we would be treated to Japanese influenced music by Williams, which would be a great treat. Maybe he could record it with Joe Hisaishi's orchestra!

[Jeshopk 8]

Does the prospect of Williams scoring Martians attacking Earth really excite anyone here?

I believe that is a sentence that has never been uttered in history. Also, yes I am excited about that music.

[Hlao-roo 388]

Does the prospect of Williams scoring Martians attacking Earth really excite anyone here?

I believe that is a sentence that has never been uttered in history. Also, yes I am excited about that music.

I might be excited if Williams were to, say, write some truly distinctive music for the Martians. But, I dunno...Williams hasn't written interesting music for a villain since 1999.

[TIEfighter 0]

Geisha by far

[John Crichton 4]

I'm pleasantly surprised to see that Ep. III hasn't gotten any votes so far. Given the feelings for both Lucas and the prequels by the majority of the board I figured there'd be a couple of votes out of spite.

After Ep. III (and GoF if it happens), War of the Worlds is the one I'm most excited about. Sure Williams has done lots of these types of movies. It's also his best work. For me, a score for Geisha would make a nice substitute for a lost frisbee.

John- hearing the can of worms from the Williams not scoring GoF thread being opened up again.

[John Crichton 4]

But, I dunno...Williams hasn't written interesting music for a villain since 1999.

What about Voldemort's Themes?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Effective certainly, but hardly classic.

Voldemorts theme has maybe a bit to much of The Imperial March theme in it.

[John Crichton 4]

It's not a classic in the sense that there's not enough of it for a full stand alone concert piece certainly, but I think it's quite good. And there are some similarities to the Imperial March, but at this point in Williams' career that's going to happen. Ever hear the similarities between Elliott's Theme from ET and Harry's Theme?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I know, but in Philosophers Stone when the spirit of Voldemort was going for Harry in the forest the music almost made me believe Darth Vader had ressurected.

[AC1 3,565]

Of course, everybody agrees he needs to do the last Star Wars. Star Wars made a legend out of Williams. The music for the first three movies is an incredible achievement. The thematic material of the compositions is so good, so strong, that it lends itself to be interpreted by various musicians and through different styles. Star Wars should earn him that "tribute", not only during his career, but also after it. In comparison, the Potter scores are but a footnote. Three of them should be more than sufficient. I'm looking forward to anything that deviates from the usual, or of that what we already have multiple times in our collection. Each new road he takes could lead us to new aspects of Williams. Memoirs of a Geisha? Bring it on!

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Alex Cremers

[Morlock 9]

All have amazing potential. But out of them, I'd drop Geisha. But I'd be very conflicted about it.

[JoeinAR 1,759]

Geisha.

Justin - Who seriously doubts Williams will be score OOTP in '05.

I totally agree since the film has a summer 2007 release.

and I agree about Geisha, it will be a boring film event from a boring badly written book, almost as bad a the DaVinci Code(still I did manage to get both) but since John has never scored a Steven Spielberg production that he doesn't direct, I don't see him doing this.

Obviously he is doing Ep. III, and he will do War of the Worlds, which many of you are dismissing too lightly by the way. If the movie is set in the late 1800's then John might just be inspired.

And as usual Alex and I disagree, 3 Potter films are not a footnote, sorry but thats just an comment coming from his dislike of the series, nor are 3 enough, but it is the least likely to be scored by John except for Geisha

[AC1 3,565]

No, I was only talking about the music. I don't have to like every film Williams writes for (I dislike ROTJ very much, for example). To me, it's all about the music. Stop second-guessing my motives.

Consider me as a friend and not a threat .

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Alex Cremers

[Docteur Qui 1,248]

I don't know... I'd definitely like to see Potter scored again, but it wouldn't exactly be the end of the world if he didn't. If a brilliant new, fresh score came at the price of GoF, would it be so bad? Still, I want more Potter, so I voted for Memoirs of a Geisha.

[Elmo Lewis 6]

If the movie is set in the late 1800's then John might just be inspired.

I fail to see the logic behind that statement.

[AC1 3,565]

Obviously he is doing Ep. III, and he will do War of the Worlds, which many of you are dismissing too lightly by the way.  If the movie is set in the late 1800's then John might just be inspired.

I've read it takes place in present time.

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Alex Cremers

[SeekUYoda 0]

Obviously he is doing Ep. III, and he will do War of the Worlds, which many of you are dismissing too lightly by the way.  If the movie is set in the late 1800's then John might just be inspired.

I'm not trying to dismiss it lightly - I'd love to hear it, and if he does it I will certainly be excited, but I just think Geisha and the untitled thingie hold much more potential for new, fresh, brilliant sounds. I know ROTS and the Potters don't have quite that potential, being part of a series and all, but I really hope he can finish what he started so well with those.

"The Planet Krypton" - Superman, John Williams

[Hlao-roo 388]

Obviously he is doing Ep. III, and he will do War of the Worlds, which many of you are dismissing too lightly by the way.  If the movie is set in the late 1800's then John might just be inspired.

I've read it takes place in present time.

Darn. I mean, Tom Cruise is so 19th century.

I wonder if the screenplay is going to attempt to develop a thoughtful subtext, or whether Spielberg and his Jurassic Park screenwriter will be satisfied with the same popcorn thrills (or lack thereof) of their previous collaborations.

[John Crichton 4]

Hopeful speculation ahead....

Right now, Filmforce is quoting Variety as saying that WotW is on the "fast track" for summer 2005. GoF isn't out until Christmas 2005. This means, (deep breath), that we could have a 2005 with new scores for Ep. III, WotW, AND GoF. That is some kind of dream world that I am not worthy to live in, but as of now the schedule works!

Of course the nightmare scenario is that WotW interferes with Ep. III, but this is not likely. Williams will be done with it by February at the latest, and it looks like WotW is going to be made in a hurry, so why not the score too? Plus there's the Lucas-Spielberg connection.

Ep. III, War of the Worlds, Goblet of Fire, all in scored by JW in one glorious year? It could happen!

[Hlao-roo 388]

I don't like the idea of Williams scoring three action/adventure blockbusters back to back to back. I mean, the man's brilliant, but you can have only so many ideas. 2002 proved that his various soundworlds can bleed into each other all too easily.

[Falstaft 1,708]

Crap! I misread the poll as "Which of these films would you most like Williams to score" and voted for Episode III! I take back my vote!!

I'd actually like to hear Geisha, considering how much I like 7YiT. I think the Olympic movie is the most disposable of the choices.

[SeekUYoda 0]

Crap! I misread the poll as "Which of these films would you most like Williams to score" and voted for Episode III! I take back my vote!!  

I'd actually like to hear Geisha, considering how much I like 7YiT. I think the Olympic movie is the most disposable of the choices.

I was wondering who voted for ROTS.

[John Crichton 4]

As was I. All is explained now.

[Henry B 49]

All is NOT explained now. There are TWO votes for Episode III!

[King Mark 2,924]

     

Ep. III, War of the Worlds, Goblet of Fire, all in scored by JW in one glorious year? It could happen!  

What a dream year that would be...If this happens Williams has my blessings to retire from bluckbuster scoring.

K.M.

[SeekUYoda 0]

All is NOT explained now. There are TWO votes for Episode III!

All right, whodunit?

[John Crichton 4]

What a dream year that would be...If this happens Williams has my blessings to retire from bluckbuster scoring.

K.M.

Mine too. It would take a while just to recover from and absorb it all. In a good way, of course.

If he does those three next year he can score all the Memoirs of a Geisha-type movies he wants, I won't complain one bit.

[Lurker 5]

     

Ep. III, War of the Worlds, Goblet of Fire, all in scored by JW in one glorious year? It could happen!  

What a dream year that would be...If this happens Williams has my blessings to retire from bluckbuster scoring.

K.M.

Didn't Williams already do a Star Wars score, a Spielberg sci-fi score and a Harry Potter score in 2002? How would this be any different?

Neil

[John Crichton 4]

Didn't Williams already do a Star Wars score, a Spielberg sci-fi score and a Harry Potter score in 2002?  How would this be any different?

Neil

Ep. III is the grand finale for Star Wars, making it more important than AOTC.

War of the Worlds has so much more potential than Minority Report ever did.

And Goblet of Fire fits Williams style perfectly, while Chamber of Secrets was a huge disappointment with all the recycled stuff from SS.

[Lurker 5]

Didn't Williams already do a Star Wars score, a Spielberg sci-fi score and a Harry Potter score in 2002?  How would this be any different?

Neil

Ep. III is the grand finale for Star Wars, making it more important than AOTC.

The last time I checked, Episode III comes in the middle of the series. And none of the prequels are important.

War of the Worlds has so much more potential than Minority Report ever did.

You know this, how? Not a single frame has been shot yet.

And Goblet of Fire fits Williams style perfectly, while Chamber of Secrets was a huge disappointment with all the recycled stuff from SS.

I would hardly qualify COS as "a huge dissapointment". I could only wish that the totally original POA score had music as good as "Fawke's Theme" and "The Chamber of Secrets".

Neil

[John Crichton 4]

The last time I checked, Episode III comes in the middle of the series.  And none of the prequels are important.

Ep. III is also the last to be made, making it a finale in that way. And we know your feelings on anything Star Wars post-1980.

You know this, how?  Not a single frame has been shot yet.

There doesn't need to be anything shot yet. Put the concepts of WotW and MR, before anything is shot, side by side and tell me which has more potential. I say it's WotW in a landslide.

I would hardly qualify COS as "a huge dissapointment".  I could only wish that the totally original POA score had music as good as "Fawke's Theme" and "The Chamber of Secrets".

Yes, Fawkes' and the Chamber's Theme were great. And so were several of the cues that were actually originally written for the film. But many of the cues from SS were re-recorded and plastered onto CoS instead of new compositions, and in my book that's a disappointment.

John-

[ridan 0]

You know this, how?  Not a single frame has been shot yet.

It's called a book. Some people have read them.

[Lurker 5]

Ep. III is also the last to be made, making it a finale in that way.

But in terms of narrative, it is clearly not the finale, nor should it be treated as such. That would just make the divide between the two trilogies even wider and could possibly create an even bigger backlash.

There doesn't need to be anything shot yet. Put the concepts of WotW and MR, before anything is shot, side by side and tell me which has more potential. I say it's WotW in a landslide.

You really think an alien invasion tale has more to offer than the story of future crime? In that basic concept, MR certainly sounds more intriguing. We've been getting alien visitors, both hostile and benign, for years.

Yes, Fawkes' and the Chamber's Theme were great. And so were several of the cues that were actually originally written for the film. But many of the cues from SS were re-recorded and plastered onto CoS instead of new compositions, and in my book that's a disappointment.

At least they went through the effort (in most cases) of re-recording the music and not just tracking it in. And the fact that the new music is so good and memorable offsets the occasional PS borrowing. Does the blatant Star Wars music in ROTJ bother you that much?

Neil

[John Crichton 4]

But in terms of narrative, it is clearly not the finale, nor should it be treated as such.

It's the last Star Wars score to be made. That means something that has nothing to do with narrative or the fact that IV-VI were made before I-III.

You really think an alien invasion tale has more to offer than the story of future crime?

In terms of the score, yes.

At least they went through the effort (in most cases) of re-recording the music and not just tracking it in.  And the fact that the new music is so good and memorable offsets the occasional PS borrowing.  Does the blatant Star Wars music in ROTJ bother you that much?

It was a lot more than the occasional borrowing. It was half the score in the film. And no, the ANH re-recording in RoJ doesn't bother me that much. It's two cues and Williams had a better reason for doing it than simply lack of time.

John- still .