Jay 37,353 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 So far, its coming along VERY nicely. Rescuing Sirius, for example - minimal sound effects, and no dialogue (except Hermione's yell).I should have a 2CD complete score boot done by the end of the month.I'll give a free copy to whoever makes the best cover-art for it. I *suck* at photoshop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I'll give a free copy to whoever makes the best cover-art for it.I hope you aren't planning on selling this to anyone, since it's clearly a bootleg. If you feel the need to sell it, don't bother posting a message about it here.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted November 24, 2004 Author Share Posted November 24, 2004 Of course not, I would never do anything of the sort.I plan on offering it for trade in the trade forum, and possibly making MP3s of it available free to all (like I did with the dialogue-included versions over the summer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Yes,that would be great.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris ChrusherComix 46 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Rear-channel bootlegs? You guys are still in the stone-age. -CJ, Who doesn't care for computer-processed DVD-rips, and has his own, specialized way of making them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart 0 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Well... Tell us how you do it! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris ChrusherComix 46 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 ChrusherPromos style!!! They wind up sounding a little better, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIEfighter 0 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 What information/text should be on the cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted November 24, 2004 Author Share Posted November 24, 2004 ChrusherPromos style!!! They wind up sounding a little better, IMO. OOh, sounds intriguing, please tell us how to do it so we don't waste our time with an inferior method Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted November 24, 2004 Author Share Posted November 24, 2004 What information/text should be on the cover?Anything would be better than the cover-art on the OST. I like the cover-art used for the DVD, as well as the Sirius Black Wanted Poster art as well. There are lots of interesting posters on www.posternow.com if you search for "Azkaban".The back cover should just have the track list. I won't know the final track list until I finish making it, but a good start would be the cue list I have at www.geocities.com/jwhp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted November 25, 2004 Author Share Posted November 25, 2004 So far:Family Photo: No dialogue, minor sfxThe Playground: No dialogue, minor sfx (new discovery though: The last 1-2 seconds of the cue is replaced with tracked music)Knight Bus Approaches: No dialogue, minor sfxThe Knight Bus Part 1 (Last note): No dialogue or sfxThe Knight Bus Part 2 (missing section): No dialogue, minor sfxMonster Bok of Monsters (clean ending): No dialogue, minor sfxMr Weasley's Warning: No dialogue, but source music overlaps the first half of the cue, there is background pub noise throughout, and there is loud sfx at the endTrain in the Rain: No dialogue, minor sfx, the rear channels are missing part of the cueArrival at Hogwarts: No dialogue, minor sfx. This one is interesting - on the rear channels, the second half of the cue is completely accapella - the music is on the fronts only.Dumbledore's Speech: Dialogue the entire time 8O plus part of the cue is missing on the rear channelsThe Grim: Constant dialogue throughout again Harry Meats Buckbeak: No dialogue, minor sfx. I appreciate this cue a lot more now that you can hear it without dialogue all over it.Knight Ghosts (intro): No dialogue, minor sfxSirius Black Sighting: Minor echoed dialogue, minor sfxI stopped for the night at the Boggart sequence since thats a complete mess. I'm making good progress at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 *cheers for Jason*Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalboz 0 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Whoo hoo! Thanks Jason! Can't wait for it to be done! And I don't have a terribly large ammount of tradable-stuff, so I'll be vying for the freebie once I get a couple ideas finished. Work-in-progress #1:-Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Ooooh, that's purdy. I'm looking foward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Rear-channel bootlegs? You guys are still in the stone-age. -CJ, Who doesn't care for computer-processed DVD-rips, and has his own, specialized way of making them. Let me see if I understand... You don't do the rips on the computer. So you must use a DVD player, connect the desired channels to a recoding device (CD recorder, Mini Disc, DAT,or even good old analogical tape) and do the extracting?Is that correct?Now, unless you have digital output for each channel, or at least for the ones you need, you'll be going from digital (on the source DVD), to analogical, during the transfer to the recording device, and at some point, depending of the recording device, getting back to digital. To me that do not sounds to be the best choice... But then again I'm no audio expert.From the experience I have, that is far from being as large as yours, I've come to believe that the best way to do this is to rip all the channels and from there work with some kind of multi track software, selecting the bits from each channels that offer at any given point the best presentation of the music. I've done that in part of JFK -- but the music is so heavelly edited that I gave up after a while. I'm now working on another one, that the music is all on the front left and right channels, and only a few echoes of it apear on the remaining channels, so there is no use working with them. But from my small experience, that is not the usual thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Miguel, I agree with everything you say. Keeping it in the digital domain is the way to do it to prevent generation loss. It's also the most precise.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 "DAD"...The Hunt for Red October was done that way. A digital recording with an awful lot of analogue hiss in some places...Marian - In Dreams (Elliot Goldenthal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Miguel, I agree with everything you say. Keeping it in the digital domain is the way to do it to prevent generation loss. It's also the most precise.NeilThat was what I always thought... But have you tried to work with the five diferent channels in a multi track software? I think that that is the way to go... but is just too much work! And the results aren't just that good enought -- in the end you still have some echoed voices and sound effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Miguel, I agree with everything you say. Keeping it in the digital domain is the way to do it to prevent generation loss. It's also the most precise.NeilThat was what I always thought... But have you tried to work with the five diferent channels in a multi track software? I think that that is the way to go... but is just too much work! And the results aren't just that good enought -- in the end you still have some echoed voices and sound effects.I have very little use for ripped scores. The sound effects and occasional dialogue are a real turn off for me. I'd rather have nothing than something that is only a little better than watching the DVD with the TV turned off. All that work for very little gain.Obviously though, the best way to do it is to edit from 5 channel down to 2 channel, selecting the channels that have the highest music to effects ratio. In theory this works. In real life I'm not so sure, since I've never done it. And naturally you'd want to cut over to the album wherever applicable. It just sounds like an awful lot of work for very little gain. But hey, whatever floats your boat.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 I agree partly.Yes,the sound effects ARE frustrating,but you get a better appreciation of the unreleased music than just listening to the DVD with the TV turned off.TheToD DVD rip is a case in point.k.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Neil, your absolutely right, of course. i have lots of ripped scores sent to me by other fans, and for the most part I have only listened tot hem once or twice. Still I think that the best way is to convert the six channels into separate waves and work on a multi track software. You select what's worth, and then mix tha whole thing into a stereo file.But as you state, is too much work for very little gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 From the experience I have, that is far from being as large as yours, I've come to believe that the best way to do this is to rip all the channels and from there work with some kind of multi track software, selecting the bits from each channels that offer at any given point the best presentation of the music.Obviously though, the best way to do it is to edit from 5 channel down to 2 channel, selecting the channels that have the highest music to effects ratio. In theory this works. In real life I'm not so sure, since I've never done it. And naturally you'd want to cut over to the album wherever applicable. It just sounds like an awful lot of work for very little gain. But hey, whatever floats your boat. I did something like that for my DVD-rip of The World Is not Enough. I will have to go back to it some time to lower the pitch on the ripped files, but I think I made one of the best DVD-rips possible, taking into account which channels offer the best music in comparison with the degree of the SFX, and constantly mixing.Sometimes you have great results, sometimes you're out of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 I'm the opposite of Neil, I can live with the SFX in order to have the unreleased music. And I disagree about the listening to it without the TV on comparision. By choosing the channels you use, you reduce the quality of the music but you can also filter out quite a bit of the non-music content. A fair trade-off, I think. And it is quite a bit of work, but I actually find it pretty satisfying. It's nowhere near perfect, but it's better than nothing until we get complete score releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalboz 0 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Sorry to get everyone's hopes up that Jason's done with his rip by bumping this back to the top ... just wanted to post another comp of a front and back covers for an HP3 complete score disc set that I did ...I was gonna do more, but back covers are just SO time consuming, that at this point in time without a "confirmed" actual tracklisting it's too time-consuming to make something only to have to change it again ...Anyways, here's my #2 "Quidditch" covers. Feedback appreciated! (and I couldn't find anything in the board rules about image sizes for posts, so hope these are ok!)-Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Nice work. I especially like the back cover; it looks very real.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Nice work. I especially like the back cover; it looks very real.Are you kidding me? It doesn't even have an "FBI Anti-Piracy" logo on the back of it.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Could be a European cover.It needs a barcode though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 I prefer the first one. I really like how the front cover looks like a painting out of a children's book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 I also prefer the first cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskobolus 3 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 That is fantastic art. I feel like it could be improved by having the front and back be from different scenes, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 The front of the first and the back of the second might be a good combination.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Yeah, that might work really well. Or how about instead of that shot of Harry looking down, the one where he sees the Grim in the cloud? I really like the look of that one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Takis 206 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Since I'm doing my own rip, I'm not participating in the competition ... just thought I'd share my own personal design scheme. There are no track-lists because I'm in the process of re-doing them to make them more legible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 John, while I just love your covers, I should point out that only HP2 was performed by the LSO... The others were performed by studio orchestras, even if they were recorded in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Excellent! Now if you could just change "Sorcerer's" into "Philosopher's" it would be perfect. P.S. The "escape from Chamber on Fawkes" picture looks great! It almost looks like it's actual art, is it? It looks remarkably like the shot from the movies, only where's Gilderoy? *points to user name*. Tsk tsk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Takis 206 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Thanks for the tip, Miguel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Nice covers John, but what's up with "J.T. Williams" on the spine? Who is that? I've never seen a composer go by that name. You should also lose the "June 4th" from the Sirius poster.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Indeed, very impressive covers all!John- who has pratically no cover making skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Takis 206 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 MM: That's production art from the COS DVD. And I think that's Gilderoy on the bottom. Above him is Harry, Ron, and then, if you look closely, Ginny.Neil: Yeah, I plan on removing the "June 4th". And the Harry Potter books are credited to "J.K. Rowling", so putting "J.T. Williams" is just a little tongue-in-cheek homage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 And the Harry Potter books are credited to "J.K. Rowling", so putting "J.T. Williams" is just a little tongue-in-cheek homage. Point taken!Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Awesome art, John. And that's very clever with the JK/JT connection!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Nice covers John, but what's up with "J.T. Williams" on the spine? Who is that? I've never seen a composer go by that name. You should also lose the "June 4th" from the Sirius poster.NeilActually, Williams as answered by that name (J.T. Williams) in some of his early work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Maybe Williams would have more critical praise or be more popular if he had named himself "John Towner" instead of "John Williams".It has a more classical ring to it.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 John, while I just love your covers, I should point out that only HP2 was performed by the LSO... The others were performed by studio orchestras, even if they were recorded in London.I just thought you were wrong, since i could swear HP&PS was performed by the London Philarmonic but it just got erased from my covers! 8O Really were did i saw it was the philarmonic?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 It's a conspiracy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Really it looks like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Perhaps you performed the Jedi mind trick on yourself in the mirror.It has a powerfull effect on the weak-minded, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 A Jedi, weak minded he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 He is if he is talking about himself in the third person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 NOT he isLuke turning green and growing ears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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