Bart 0 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Howard Shore's score for The Aviator will not be eligible for an Oscar, Daily Variety said Thursday.The paper said the score, which has a won Golden Globe and been nominated for a British Academy of Films and Television Arts award, is one of several that have been disqualified for Oscar consideration by the academy's music branch executive committee. The academy has tougher restrictions on disqualification than other organizations that hand out movie awards.The academy recently sent out a list of 81 eligible scores to voting members of the music branch. Besides The Aviator, the list also excluded Craig Armstrong's score for Ray, Harry Gregson-Williams' music for Shrek 2, James Newton Howard's music for Collateral and director Clint Eastwood's score for Million Dollar Baby.Academy officials would not comment on the record, but sources told Variety Shore's music was disqualified under a rule prohibiting scores diluted by the use of tracked or pre-existing music. Shore's music in The Aviator accounts for no more than one-third of all the music in the film.Eastwood's score failed to qualify because paperwork was submitted too late.From BigNewsNetworkPerhaps this makes the chances bigger for Williams to win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 That's quite undeserved.But luckily Eastwood is out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Usually Scorsese uses music in a spare but effective manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 And he and Shore are now being punished for not using the popular wall-to-wall approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 So he won't get nominated because only one third of the score in the film is original (the one third Howard Shore wrote)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I don't get this rule. Shouldn't the Oscar for Best Original Score be determined by the effectiveness and quality of the music written for the film? Even if that score is only a small portion of the total use of music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 No it should be determined by......Who the crap knows.... Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskobolus 3 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I don't get this rule. Shouldn't the Oscar for Best Original Score be determined by the effectiveness and quality of the music written for the film? Even if that score is only a small portion of the total use of music?Yes. But shouldn't the Oscar for acting be based on the actor's performance in the film in question, rather than their race or entire careers? Oh whoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Hmyeah. Shouldn't the Oscars be without political influence? Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 If a score is not the most prevalent music in the movie, I don't think it should have equal footing with those scores that are. And the Oscar are not politically influenced, the problem is they're often not artistically influenced. They often get it right, and a lot of the more contested awards given out are contested out of personal preference- like Titanic. I think it was great. Not 11 Oscars great, not better than LA Confidential, but I think it deserved a good deal of what it got. Alex, on the other hand, I'm sure sees this as the negligable Oscars giving another terrible Hollywood film an Oscar purely because of the hype. I think the almost unanimous uproar over Shakespeare in Love beating Saving Private Ryan proves that most of the Oscar's choices are tolerated by a lot of people, only the really egregious ones cause an uproar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 The oscars get it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 The oscars get it right? Maybe getting it right was a bit too much...but they're a lot closer than people generally say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 So form what I understand, Shore should be eligible for a best supporting score nomination, and not best score.Makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 To a certain extent, yes. It is a score that is supporting the film where the songs cannot. It is not a complete, full blooded motion picture score, and should not be equally concidered with those that are. Like the wins for The Little Murmaid, Aladdin or The Full Monty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 WEll, at least Menken wrote both the songs and the score. It makes all the difference.If the score of the aviator is not predominat enough, than maybe it shouldn't be nominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Who's nominated is IMO besides the point. Aladdin's score didn't have nearly as important a part in it's film as Basic Instinct did. The Little Mermaid's score didn't have nearly as important a part as Born on The Fourth of July. The Full Monty's score barely had any importance at all in relation to the songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 How can you say the score had no importance in those disney films? Score...songs, you can't really make the distiction of one from the other...it was music composed for the movie and it carries the story imensly. The songs are also part of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I didn't say they had no importance, I said that they shared their place with the songs, and in those specific cases, are practicaly eclipsed by them. And the songs are specificaly not part of the dramatic score, they should not be nominated as part of the score. They are a beast onto themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG-SI 10 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Didn't Horner get an Award for "A Beautiful Mind"? That explains a lot about the Academy...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 No, he did not. He was nominated. That year 3 great scores were nominated- Harry Potter, A.I., FoTR. And A Beautiful Mind is a good score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG-SI 10 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Yes it would be, if the movie title were "Bicentennial man 2"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I wonder if the Academy would have excluded Goldsmith's PATTON because it was only 15 minites of music in a 3 hour film.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 They obviously didn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I find it odd that no one has mentioned anything about the actual Aviator score in this thread thus farMax-Who likes it, the score that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I think it's a great score. It plays really well on its own because Shore crafted it like a classical piece rather than the usual underscore. Anyone who says that cannot hear a theme in this score needs to re-assess their listening/music skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 The Academy,realising they screwed up in giving him 2 Oscars for LotR ,made up this rule specifically to disqualify his score for The Aviator.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Sounds like it....why couldn't they have brought this dumbass rule in to disqualify Menken's sub-par Disney crap in the late '80's early '90's. It makes me sick to think that hack has more statuettes on his mantle than Goldsmith, North, Herrmann, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hey, he deserved it for Beauty and the Beast. That was the one score up to par with the songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Regardless of the Aviator score being disallowed, the film should win at least three of the big oscars this time around if there's any justice in the world. I saw the film today and I was blown away. It really should take best picture, best director (about time for Scorsese!) and most certainly best actor for DiCapprio. I've never been a huge fan of DiCapprio's work after Gilbert Grape, but he gives an incredible performance in Aviator! I even liked the score, and heaven knows I'm not a Howard Shore fan after the LOTR trilogy, as Stefan has mentioned on occasion. However I have to admit (grudgingly) that his score for Aviator works beautifully. The period music used in the film is also wonderfully selected. I must pick up the CD!I've started off this year by seeing four excellent films in theatres: A Very Long Engagement, Finding Neverland, In Good Company, and now The Aviator. All are superb in different ways, but The Aviator is clearly the strongest IMO. Please let this be Scorsese's year. Politics aside (and let's face it, the Academy probably feel duty-bound to recognise Scorsese by this point) the film is quite simply excellent, and to me it's better than any winner of best-picture Oscar since Schindler's List. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Fiery angel, Menken is the living composer with more oscars.Merkel and Morlock, lets leave Meken away. Surely The Lion King didnt won for his score. but a wrong person got the prize... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 If there's a Hans Zimmer score worth owning, it's the Lion King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 When all is said and done, bottom line is, JW's got a real shot at the Oscars this year. I've said it before, but if Shore won 2 Oscars for LOTR and Williams got none for HP, I would lose my faith in the Academy for good. I don't care whether it makes sense to compare those two series, JW deserves one for the Harry Potter-series. Period!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I would love my faith in the Academy for good. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I would love my faith in the Academy for good. Really?I already corrected it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I would love my faith in the Academy for good. Really? Yes, that statement can be puzzling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I would love my faith in the Academy for good. Really?I already corrected it. Nothing can clean the stain left on your name. You are banned from this establishment! You, and your children, and your CHILDREN'S CHILDREN!..........for 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I would love my faith in the Academy for good. Really?I already corrected it. Nothing can clean the stain left on your name. You are banned from this establishment! You, and your children, and your CHILDREN'S CHILDREN!..........for 3 months.I think you've spent too much time in this "establishment". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 You, and your children, and your CHILDREN'S CHILDREN!And your children's children's children.And your children's children's children's children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 No, that would be redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 You, and your children, and your CHILDREN'S CHILDREN!And your children's children's children.And your children's children's children's children.Isn't that from the Bible, you know in the part were they kill Christ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 If there's a Hans Zimmer score worth owning, it's the Lion King.Yeah, but we know why did it win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Yeah, sure. The Academy works in misterious ways.Anyway, I'm a big fan of Menken's disney scores, although his best score of the buch, the Hunchback of Notre Dame, is paradoxly one of the less recognized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Gospel choir in Greek times, yeah that was a REALLY good idea..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 You, and your children, and your CHILDREN'S CHILDREN!And your children's children's children.And your children's children's children's children.Isn't that from the Bible, you know in the part were they kill Christ? No, you are incorrect. It is from Mel Gibson's film The Passion. And it is actually the scene after the bad guys give the good guy to the other bad guys for them to kill. Morlock- who agrees with Merkel about Menken's best score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 No it's from Mel Gibson's Life of Bwian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I'm sorry...Life of what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Alan Menken deserved his score OScars. With little exception, the instrumental score was an extension of the song score. Many of the melodies in the instrumental score came from the song score, and done beautifully, kind of like what Williams did with "Home Alone," though it was the other way around.And with "Patton," Fiery Angel, I think the length of the score doesn't matter. "The Aviator" score would be eligible, despite its brevity, if there weren't so many non-original songs written for the film. I actually screamed when Shore won the Golden Globe, not because of the fact that I didn't remember the score (because every scene practically had a period song attached to it), but because the score that was there didn't do much service to the film. If it did, we would remember it in the same way we remember the music for "Patton" (more on that score later).However, after the music category became one entity again after it split in the late 90s, they reworded the rule to say that no score is eligible if the score is dominated -- overshadowed, if you will -- by the use of songs, original or not. So, that means Menken's score for "Home on the Range" is also not eligible. This is why the score to "Tarzan" and "South Park" weren't eligible in 1999. Here are the rules.That's sad to hear about Eastwood not being eligible because the paperwork wasn't submitted in time. I heard bits and pieces of the score online and liked what I heard.But now it does give Williams a bigger shot at getting nominated. As far as winning, we'll find out in the morning.Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Nothing can clean the stain left on your name. You are banned from this establishment! You, and your children, and your CHILDREN'S CHILDREN!..........for 3 months.I hope everyone realizes that this is from "The Simpsons" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Gospel choir in Greek times, yeah that was a REALLY good idea.....No, that's Hercules. A good movie that was too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus 0 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nothing can clean the stain left on your name. You are banned from this establishment! You, and your children, and your CHILDREN'S CHILDREN!..........for 3 months.I hope everyone realizes that this is from "The Simpsons"from episode "Lisa the Iconoclast" (sp?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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