Best Unreleased Indy Cue

[John Crichton 4]

After doing the best unreleased HP cue poll, I figured it would be fun to do this one too.

A couple of notes: There's no Raiders on here since as far as I know the few cues unreleased on the 1995 CD are available from previous releases. And most Last Crusade unreleased cues are available on a boot, but it's pretty low quality and they're still officially unreleased. If anyone's unsure about what cues are what, check out the complete score analyses for ToD (John Takis) and LC (Hiphats) on the Reviews & Analyses page. Both are excellent and required reading anyway.

John- hasn't decided on his vote yet.

[King Mark 2,924]

Underground Heroics,and pretty much any unreleased cue from ToD.

Notably

Deal for the Diamond

Over the Himalayas

The Village/They Stole the Children/The Legend of Sankara/Fortune and Glory

Trek to Pankock Palace

Stealing the Stones

Underground Heroics

Water!

The Bridge sequence

Finale and End Credits

And that selection of cue would be better than the ones currently on the OST.

K.M.

K.M.

[fommes 126]

I second that.

[MSM 85]

The Joneses All Tied Up.

[John McClane 1]

Oh well...when talking about Indiana Jones, I can't resist until Friday! I must share my opinion now! Other threads can wait...

John, you took the right decision to not insert any Raiders choice. There's still some short unreleased cue, but they're pretty unimportant, like "The poisoning" or "Bad Dates"...just 3-4 short cues here and there, but the important parts of the score are officially released.

But damn, it's very hard to choose only one cue!

Trek to Pankot Palace. Great dark cue, but not my favourite on the list.

The Temple of Doom film version. Ahah! This is one of JW's scariest cue ever, but I'm pretty happy with the one on the OST. I can wait for it.

Stealing the Stones. Wonderful cue. The choir is perfect, when Indy bring near the stones.

Underground Heroics. Outstanding action cue. This contains both Shorty's theme and Raiders March, can we ask more?

Cliff Confrontation/Finale. Oh, God! Another great action cue. The tribal beats on the bridge fits perfectly. There's another little rendition of the Temple of Doom theme here, along with The Slave Children Crusade.

Duffy & Dunn Circus Train. This cue has mostly the Young Indy theme as it is on the OST, so it's not the most important unreleased LC cue. Good enough, this underscore the line "You lost today kid, but it doesn't mean you have to like it..."

The Portugese Coast. Good action cue, but not as much as the other on ToD.

To Castle Brunwald. Probably the best "To" cue (we had a poll about this a long time ago! Anyone remembers it?). But, still, not enough to win this poll.

The Floor's on Fire. This is funny, when Henry tells Indy "I'm gotta tell you something" "Don't get sentimental now, Dad!". I love this cue. I think I will vote this one.

He Choose Poorly/The Holy Grail. This is so magic. One of the best JW cue ever, as I said in this my old poll.

I must go now...but tonight I will come back to add my choice, if I can decide.

Mirko - to CCC's version of ToD for describe the ToD cues.

[John Crichton 4]

Duffy & Dunn Circus Train. This cue has mostly the Young Indy theme as it is on the OST, so it's not the most important unreleased LC cue. Good enough, this underscore the line "You lost today kid, but it doesn't mean you have to like it..."

Actually the unreleased last 4 minutes is my favorite part of the entire cue. The buildup to and statement of the Raiders March when young Indy escapes from the train is one of my favorite Indy moments ever.

John- voting for Cliff Confrontation/Finale.

[John McClane 1]

Actually the unreleased last 4 minutes is my favorite part of the entire cue. The buildup to and statement of the Raiders March when young Indy escapes from the train is one of my favorite Indy moments ever.    

John- voting for Cliff Confrontation/Finale.

We both love that cue, John, but neither you nor me are going to vote that. It's a great cue, like all the ones you listed, but it's not the "best ureleased Indy cue", as required by the poll. I love that moment too, but what I wanted to say, is that parts of that cue are already released in the first part of the track. I'm going to vote for a cue that contains only music not available in the OSTs. I mean, "Dunn & Duffy Circus Train" contains the Young Indy theme, which is available in the long first track of the OST.

Mirko - voting for "The Floor's on Fire!"

[King Mark 2,924]

Yeah,but the floor's on Fire is not much different than Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra.

K.M.Who has enough of that theme on the OST.

[John McClane 1]

Wrong, Mark!

"The floor's on fire" and "Scherzo for Motocycle and Orchestra" are different!! I think you're confusing it with the last part of "The floor's..." because that cue goes directly into the "Scherzo", since the fire scene ends when they escape from the castle in the sidecar and the music continues with the "Scherzo" track.

But I'm sure you did understand that.

Mirko - who have the "Scherzo" on the OST but not "The floor's on fire". 8O

[John Crichton 4]

The Floor's On Fire is actually a pretty unique arrangement of the Scherzo theme. But it's not the best unreleased cue from Last Crusade, that honor goes to He Choose Poorly/The Holy Grail.

[John McClane 1]

Probably, I like it because it has the fire SFX in my DVD rip, and it would be cool to hear it without SFXs.

And you can read all my love for the Grail Theme here and especially here. In this last one, follow the link gave by Kathy...funny enough, Neil answered the same thing in both the threads!

Anyways, I'm reading a couple of my very old posts and I noticed that my English is improving...I hope it's true.

Mirko - who is back just to answer in this Indy thread (and to help Mark about his supper). 8O

[mahler3 353]

1) A decent recording of Belly of the Steel Beast Pt.2, sans the muffled quality of the LC boot!

2) The short but terrific fanfare when the British troops appear in TOD toward the end of the film.

... and everything else that others have mentioned.

- Tim.

[King Mark 2,924]

The Floor's On Fire is actually a pretty unique arrangement of the Scherzo theme.

Yes,it's played faster.But maybe there's another part before that I don't remember.In any case it must not be memorable if I don't remember it.

K.M.

[John McClane 1]

Yes,it's played faster.But maybe there's another part before that I don't remember.In any case it must not be memorable if I don't remember it.

Again Mark, what you remember is the music of when Indy and Henry escapes the castle, there's no "Scherzo" in the fire scene. The musical style is similar, thought. And that's pretty memorable, IMO one of the funniest LC moments!

Now get rid of this Pork souvalkis (whatever it is) and eat lasagna! 8O

Mirko - advertising Italian food in a Indiana Jones thread.

[Henry B 49]

Actually the unreleased last 4 minutes is my favorite part of the entire cue. The buildup to and statement of the Raiders March when young Indy escapes from the train is one of my favorite Indy moments ever.

OMG yes, I've played that part many times. But the rest of the track...I think Last Crusade is really the weakest Indy score. There are a lot of places where it just seems like Williams couldn't really think of anything to write, so he just threw in some filler notes...it lacks the crispness and extremely calculated underscore of the first two. I think themes are the high point of the score. The Grail theme, the father's theme, excellent stuff. Raiders March is pretty cool in Crusade, but often it seems too bright or high-pitched.

[John McClane 1]

8O

Mirko - who thinks The Nazi Theme, "The belly of the steel beast", "Escape from Venice" (just to name few) are everything but weak.

[mahler3 353]

Mirko - who thinks The Nazi Theme, "The belly of the steel beast", "Escape from Venice" (just to name few) are everything but weak.

The album version of Belly of the Steel Beast or the complete film version? Personally I think the film version features some of his greatest action writing! The album version is certainly not as good.

Indeed, I remember being very disappointed to find the truncated version on the album release when I first got the tape with my weekly paper-round money!

- Tim.

ps welcome back Tommy 8O

[Henry B 49]

Mirko - who thinks The Nazi Theme, "The belly of the steel beast", "Escape from Venice" (just to name few) are everything but weak.

Good, but not great, I think.

[John McClane 1]

The album version of Belly of the Steel Beast or the complete film version? Personally I think the film version features some of his greatest action writing! The album version is certainly not as good.

Oh, I named some LC action cues just to prove LC isn't weak at all.

Answering to your question, yeah the complete film version is better...just because it's longer and so that's mean more JW music, yeah!

ps welcome back Tommy  8O

Thanks, but at the moment I'm partially back, just for Indy (and for KM's supper).

Indiana Jones and Italian food. I can't shut up about these.

Just wait the week-end for my complete return, and I will share my opinion on the threads I missed in these last 10 days (Best pirate score, Most beautiful actress, Oscars...). Right now, I will post only in this thread.

[John Crichton 4]

Yes,it's played faster.But maybe there's another part before that I don't remember.In any case it must not be memorable if I don't remember it.

Again Mark, what you remember is the music of when Indy and Henry escapes the castle, there's no "Scherzo" in the fire scene.

Yes there is. And it is played faster. In fact I would call it frantic, and played for comedy even more than its other statements.

And on Belly of the Steel Beast, there's an interesting story behind that. The version on the OST is actually the complete original version. The unreleased portion in the middle of the film version was recorded afterward when the scene was extended. I'm sure most here know that, but just in case, there you go. 8O

[mahler3 353]

And on Belly of the Steel Beast, there's an interesting story behind that. The version on the OST is actually the complete original version. The unreleased portion in the middle of the film version was recorded afterward when the scene was extended. I'm sure most here know that, but just in case, there you go.  8O

No, I didn't actually know that - thanks for the information!

- Tim.

[Henry B 49]

Good, then I don't have to edit them together (that wasn't going well).

[John McClane 1]

And on Belly of the Steel Beast, there's an interesting story behind that. The version on the OST is actually the complete original version. The unreleased portion in the middle of the film version was recorded afterward when the scene was extended. I'm sure most here know that, but just in case, there you go.  

No, I didn't actually know that - thanks for the information!

Tim, John took this information right here.

But John, is more exact to say the OST have the original version as composed by Williams, then he was asked to add the 3 minutes of the cue called "The pen is mighter than the sword". I wouldn't call the OST version "complete", because in the film the cue is about 3 minutes longer.

Check out John Takis' analysis for ToD too! (As John said in his first post here).

And Cerrabore, it's not a good idea to edit the 2 cues together, because of the very different sound quality.

I can tell this from pesonal experience. In fact, Iremember I started some time ago to mix "The pen is mighter than the sword"cue ripped from the DVD with the track on the OST, but it was a long work and I wasn't that happy with that, because the ripped part contains SFX. Also, I'm lazy. Especially when I'm doing these long and hard stuff. Let's say I'm happy with the 5 minutes on the OST, but it would be better of course to have the other cue in hi-quality, or even better, the real 8 minutes complete film version.

I like dreams.

Mirko - writing this at 3:35 AM. (and editing at 3:45) 8O

[Chris ChrusherComix 27]

They're all good. I selected Cross of Coronado/Portugese Coast, but I could have chosen any of them.

[Docteur Qui 1,248]

Either The Temple of Doom or Stealing the Stones, leaning towards the latter. I do have the boot however and the quality's pretty darn good.

I second the notion that LC is the weakest of the three in film and score - many of the parts are bland. Of course, it has some brilliant parts, but in between them I usually skip it. For some reason I dislike the Knight theme. Don't know why, it just didn't strike a chord with me.

I know I previously said LC was my favourite, but a few days ago I watched Raiders again for the first time in about two years and it's definitely at the top now. ToD had a perfect score for a not-so-perfect-but-still-enjoyable movie.

MM - Who tried to avoid another "Comparing Indy scores/movies" topic. Really!

[John McClane 1]

For some reason I dislike the Knight theme. Don't know why, it just didn't strike a chord with me.

This shows how diverse is the world! One of my favourite JW cues ever.

With Fedora's voice: "I accept you opinion, kid...but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it"

MM - Who tried to avoid another "Comparing Indy scores/movies" topic. Really!

Better than any HP thread. Indy's threads are rare nowadays, we should love these gems.

[Justin 2]

Cliff Confrontation. A brilliant choice.

Justin

[Morlock 9]

Portuguese Coast. Along with Radek's Death from Air Force One, probably my favorite unreleased cue ever. One of Williams' best action motifs ever.

[John Crichton 4]

I was listening to this last night and I've got to give a mention for a cue I didn't mention that's one of my favs: Flight to Austria (or Biplane Escape or whatever you want to call it). A wonderful unique statement of the Grail Theme with some neat little flourishes behind it, great buildup to a huge statement of the Nazi March, and some fun frantic music with the Raiders March. A wonderful quickie cue.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

Is that the "Castle Brunenwald" cue?

[John Crichton 4]

No it's right after No Ticket, when the blimp turns around and the Jonses make for the biplane to escape.

[John McClane 1]

I was listening to this last night and I've got to give a mention for a cue I didn't mention that's one of my favs: Flight to Austria (or Biplane Escape or whatever you want to call it). A wonderful unique statement of the Grail Theme with some neat little flourishes behind it, great buildup to a huge statement of the Nazi March, and some fun frantic music with the Raiders March. A wonderful quickie cue.  

This shows how many great cues there are in Last Crusade. A true gold mine.

Is that the "Castle Brunenwald" cue?

Nope. There's no cue called that way, Marc. There is a cue called "To Castle Brunwald", thought, but that score the trasition between Venice and the castle. The cue John was talking about is when Indy and Henry escapes from the Zeppelin with the biplane.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

Oh right. I just saw it wasn't because the Brunenwald is in the poll. :?

I'll have to check out ToD and LC again. I like the music in these films a lot (well duh), but I'm not very knowledgeable on specific cues.

[John McClane 1]

I'll have to check out ToD and LC again. I like the music in these films a lot (well duh), but I'm not very knowledgeable on specific cues.

No problems, I'm here for that.

I'm ignorant about a lot of movies/scores, but I can quite call myself an "Indy expert", just as John is the Monkey Island expert of the board (Damn, I'm second in this!).

EDIT: Ehehe what a mess, we're all editing our own posts! LOL

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

Good to know.

- Marc, who's expert in... well... there's this... let me get back to you on that.

[John McClane 1]

- Marc, who's expert in... well... there's this... let me get back to you on that.

:?

What you're expert in? There must be something. Don't be modest. I'm not "the greatest Indy expert ever", but I can say I know a lot of things, I remember very well the stories of the movies, I remember a lot of quotes by memory, and I remember quite well the music cues.

Thought ToD and LC has too many unreleased cues, so sometimes it's hard to tell quickly where this or that cue is placed in the movie, but then I can see clearly the film sequence, and I can usually give a pretty much exatly answer.

[Docteur Qui 1,248]

I'd say I'm an expert in Potter things, but there are probably people here who would say otherwise. Still, I've listened to the first two Potter scores longer than my combined amount of sleep over my lifetime, so that must account for something...

[John McClane 1]

I've listened to the first two Potter scores longer than my combined amount of sleep over my lifetime, so that must account for something...

That's me too (with Indiana Jones)!

Mirko - who needs to sleep longer.