Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Has anyone seen the clip from Waters of Mars yet? I've only just seen it so I assumed it's new. It looks really quite dark for a RTD story, more in the vein of a Moff setting. It was a bit unsettling actually, the appearance of the villain/monster really creeped me out. I'm very much looking forward to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Saw the clip. Still not very impressed. I think it'll be fine, but just not enthused about this one, like with "Planet of the Dead". They kinda feel like time-fillers before the final two-parter at year's end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I haven't watched the clip, but one of the stills I saw reminded me of the surviving footage of the lost Troughton classic Fury From The Deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Does anyone think that the reason that RTD is bringing back so many characters, is so that Tennant can have a regeneration scene not unlike Peter ("feels different, this time") Davison's (with Tegan, Nyssa, Adbloodyric, Chameleon, and even The master doing his "Die, Doctor, die!" routine?). I take people's point about thsese three being fillers. Apart from the "Death knocking four times" stuff, there does not seem to be much linking these with what is yet to come. The new clip of WOM looks good, but so did the trailer fof Episode I... The romours regarding The 11 Doctors seem to have dried up for now, unless anyone else knows better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 The 5th series under the Moff and starring Matt Smith as the 11th Doctor should start filming at any time, if it hasn't secretly already.I think I'm right in saying that the studio work has begun....There's in a post in the new successor to the old Outpost Gallifrey forum, Gallifrey Base, from someone that claims to have bumped into Matt Smith in Cardiff and says Smith told him he would start filming next week. This guy must have some credibility since it's being reported as straight news at my Doctor Who blog of choice, which only reports the crazy unsubstantiated stuff to have a laugh, which is usually anything in The Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 The Eleventh Doctor and Amy revealed!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1200883/His-time-come-New-Doctor-Who-Matt-Smith-begins-filming-gorgeous-young-redheaded-assistant.html;jsessionid=7D549D053011821767E5EA01FD5A19B0http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8158556.stm http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...23&nSlide=1I like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Very Troughton. And not at all what I expected from Moffat. I like.Looks like the TARDIS has gotten a redesign too. And of course the interior will be also, it'll be moved closer to the classic series look from what I read.EDIT- Alex Kingston (River Song) has been spotted on location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Captain Jack escapes death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 He should have been on Top Gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Nah, they suck at killing people too. Hammond is proof of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Captain Jack cannot be killed anyway. This is just more proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 What if Jack fell into a black hole?......Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 What if Jack fell into a black hole?......Hmmm.Hmmm... I think in the RTD Doctor Who universe he'd survive. Somehow. He has to, otherwise there'd be no Face of Boe in the year 5 Billion blah blah blah Apple Plus whatever. (If the line about him being the Face of Boe isn't a joke... which it probably is... but who knows...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Torchwood: Children Of EarthContains Spoilers!This miniseries will go a long way in making the English public trust it's politicians again. Self serving bastards the lot of them, trying to put of positive spin on the deportation of hundreds of thousands of British children.The series has many carefully build scenes of civil servants and politicians trying to keep their voters in the dark and haggle a solution that would save their faces. The frightening thing is that it all seems so damn realistic!The 456 are left mostly unseen, apart from some tentacle like limbs and green vomit (perhaps they are experiencing withdrawel symptoms, they need to get their fix)The revelation that the children will be used as a narcotic is rather bonechilling.Barrowman is at his darkest here as Jack. Even before the last episode we are reminded that he's an "the ends justify the means" kind of guy. Eve Myles is better then ever as Gwen Cooper. She's actually a fabulous actress, and I love her earthy, peety Welsh accent.After Jack coldly sacrifices his grandchild, she is the one we can still believe in.Gareth David-Lloyd as Ianto has always been the most mysterious of characters. Seemingly a blank page, with a dark, dour sense of humour. He remained mostly a baxkground figure in season 1 and 2. Here he get's a lot more to do....and dies.I loved his particular relationship with Jack, and i'll miss the character.Peter Capaldi delivers a pitch perfect performed of the measured middle man John Frobisher. Doing everything he is told to do, save for one thing....I actually felt for him when he took his and his families life.Cush Jumbo plays Lios Habibi, originally ment to be Martha Jones, and actually improves upon what I think Martha could have done in this mini series.Ben Fosters driving score feels like a mix between the snarling brass of Quantum of Solace and some of the better aspects of The Dark Knight.I listened to the new release. It's good. Though I would have liked some counterpoint.The final episode leaves us to ponder Jack.Who is more evil? The politicians who wanted to steal hundreds of thousands of children from their families and give them to a bunch of alien drug addicts. Or Captain Jack Harkness, who killed his own grandson in order to save 10% of the children of a humanity that hardly seems worth saving.Can Jack still be our hero?I hope a season 4 will tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Big news from the past Doctor front: Tom Baker has finally been talked into recording some audio stories like all the other living past Doctors have, this one for BBC Audio. It's a 5 part series called Hornet's Nest, and co-stars former Pertwee era UNIT regular Mike Yates (Richard Franklin).Keeping an eye out for any new news from Series 5 location filming, so far nothing beyond the first day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 The final episode leaves us to ponder Jack.Who is more evil? The politicians who wanted to steal hundreds of thousands of children from their families and give them to a bunch of alien drug addicts. Or Captain Jack Harkness, who killed his own grandson in order to save 10% of the children of a humanity that hardly seems worth saving.I doubt that's what The Doctor would say. According to him, we're the most amazing thing in the universe I think the series did raise some serious philosophical questions though - was the politicians' plan really an evil one, and is every child on earth worth saving? while the execution of the final stage of the story could've been handled better (IMO - it seemed like 5 mins before the end, someone reminded the director they needed to actually end it), I think the idea behind it was superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 The politicians plan was indeed evil and self serving, in many ways. But it's also one that many might support if it were to save their own children.Unlike some of his big Doctor Who climaxes, Russel T. doesn't go for the nice and cushy solution that turns back the world and undoes everything that went wrong.Thankfully this mini-series is more like Midnight then like Journey's End.Yes it's not perfect. As indicated, the ending does come very...very late, and at times the scale is a bit too small to support a story of an global threat. (thankfully the story focuses almost completely on England though).There actually isn't all that much action after the first 2 episodes, and there could have been more from the Torchwood team.Jack having a daughter and grandson seems a bit to conveniant. (they basically seem to excist so that Jack can sacrifice the boy and incur the eternal hatred of his daughter).That coupled with Gwen being pregnant and Ianto having cousins make it look like they wanted to highlight the "children" aspect a bit too much.Overall though, it's rather stunning television, that stays with you for a while.Loved Gwen's opening comments about The Doctor in Day 5, btw.How this for geekdom. I love Jacks farewell, but it would have been even better then instead after saying farewell to Gwen and beaming to a spaceship far away, he would walk to a small blue box in the distance, which would then dissapear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Well, so much for the Children in Need rumors. RTD has said that this year will be the same as last year- they'll just show the pre-titles sequence from the next special.The rumors persist that the long-discussed Who movie starring Tennant's Doctor will be announced at Comic-Con this weekend. A lot of Who's top people are appearing in a panel there this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 Well, so much for the Children in Need rumors. RTD has said that this year will be the same as last year- they'll just show the pre-titles sequence from the next special.The rumors persist that the long-discussed Who movie starring Tennant's Doctor will be announced at Comic-Con this weekend. A lot of Who's top people are appearing in a panel there this year.Well, I think the 11 doctors idea was nixed pretty much straight away....but yeah - rumours of that Special Project 3 just won't go away....allegedly a statement is due on the 26th......OOH - that's....like....today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Great pre-panel chat with David Tennant. Lots of little tidbits about the final specials, nothing really spoilery. Based on the bits that have leaked out I'm expecting an ending that's taken a lot of inspiration from The War Games.BTW, the buzz right now is that a movie is NOT going to be announced today, but Series 4 of Torchwood is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Great news.I'd hate for it to end on Children Of Earth.Why does it always have to be about Zimmer?Oh dear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 ...My world is askew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 THE ZIMMER IS AN ENEMY OF THE JW-LEKS!HE WILL BE EX-TER-MI-NA-TED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Digital Spy's report on the Who panelNo real news (the movie was shot down as not happening, at least not now), but the first trailer for the final specials was shown, which will hopefully make its way to the interwebs soon. A nice bit from the Guinees Book of World Records folks, who named Doctor Who "the most successful sci-fi show in history". Lines of the day:Tennant: "I play the same man as William Hartnell, just with a different wig." and "One of the things I haven't done before leaving the show is I didn't get to snog Bernard Cribbins."Julie Gardner: "I think the only reason John Barrowman stole things from set is so he could be strip-searched on the way out."Tennant also has a little joke about the fact that his name has recently popped up as playing Bilbo in The Hobbit. I think he'd have to triple his body weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I doubt that's what The Doctor would say. According to him, we're the most amazing thing in the universe <img src="http://jwfan.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />He clearly hasn't seen the G-FORCE trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead. This takes place in the 51th Century. With a computersystem called Cal who's teleported thousands of people in the library into it's hard drive and in a virtual reality envoroment.Ok, sounds reasonable.But why does that VR enviroment simulate 21th century earth?Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Ok I can return to this thread having finally watched Children of Earth! (Thanks Amazon.co.uk!!!)What an amazing serial. I must admit I agree with everything Steef wrote a few posts above in his review. Peter Capaldi as Frobisher deserves an award for this. His portrayal was always very human. He managed to convey his feelings of unease, terror, and ultimately tragic resignation with nothing but conviction. Amazing performance. The nightmarish cabinet meeting in Day 4 was some of the most powerful television I've seen in years. I see on Wikipedia that the Beeb has confirmed that there will be a 4th series of Torchwood based on the positive public response to Children of Earth. All I can say is they have a tough act to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Here's the new Waters of Mars trailer (the orange spacesuit is back!). No sign of the finale trailer...yet.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClNAiVhcIMAJohn- loving the new embed optionEDIT- The "events in flux" and "fixed events" concept is going to play a major role. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 The Beeb has finally officially confirmed John Simm's return as the Master for the Tennant/RTD finale, as well as Lucy Saxon.The rumor mill is pegging the title of the finale as "The End of Time". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Nice trailer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Well speaking of nice trailers, here it is. It's crap quality and full of crowd geek-outs, but it's the first trailer for the finale. The title is The End of Time, the date is Christmas 2009 (with part 2 probably showing on New Year's Day). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I see Donna is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Going by what was seen during location filming Donna's role is little more than a cameo and she's not getting her memory back. Since Wilf is the official companion for the finale, she's going to just miss the Doctor and the TARDIS leaving, wondering where Grandpa went, etc.But of course that could all be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Wilf?The Doctors companion's just keep getting older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Ha I knew it!They didn't create the hybrid Doctor for nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 What an amazing serial. I must admit I agree with everything Steef wrote a few posts above in his review. Peter Capaldi as Frobisher deserves an award for this. His portrayal was always very human. He managed to convey his feelings of unease, terror, and ultimately tragic resignation with nothing but conviction. Amazing performance. Unfortunatly this is the type of performance that's rarely awarded, exactly because it is so understated.The nightmarish cabinet meeting in Day 4 was some of the most powerful television I've seen in years. It is nightmarish, but also highly realistic and very human.Even though it's sci-fi, Children Of Earth is amazingly grounded in reality. This is exactly how politicians think and act, and the only way politics has ever functioned successfully.The need of the few, outweighs the need of the many.I see on Wikipedia that the Beeb has confirmed that there will be a 4th series of Torchwood based on the positive public response to Children of Earth. All I can say is they have a tough act to follow.A new Torchwood 3, with a new crew (apart from Gwen). Possibly they can spring Lois Habibi from jail like Jack sprung Tosh from the claws of the evil UNIT. Jack returns to Wales after soulsearching for a few hundred years. (thank goodness for timetravel and immortality )I'll miss Ianto though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I'll miss Ianto too. His character developed immensely over the three seasons. His role as butler and tortured lover from season 1 was fleshed out hugely in season 2. By season 3 he had become the complete action hero, along with all the quips and one-liners normally associated with Captain Jack etc. His character became far more assertive, and his death seemed all the more tragic as a result. Mind you, as death scenes go no one beats Tochiko. Heartbreaking stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Did anything ever come of the rumour that Paul McGann would be in Tennant's final episode in a flashback to the time war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I'm trying not to read anything too spoilerific here, but both of those trailers rocked.And yes, the crowd freaking out was a bit geekish, but I can't blame them - it really looks like they've come up with a brilliant four-season story arc here and having so many characters coming back is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Urgh....I did not really enjoy the torrent of characters coming back in the end of season 4.Why exactly did Rose try and find The Doctor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Darkness coming....Umm. Yeah.*shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Did anything ever come of the rumour that Paul McGann would be in Tennant's final episode in a flashback to the time war?As much as I enjoyed Paul McGann in the TV Movie and the audios... can we please just let this rumor die? He's been rumored to come back ever since 2003 when they announced the series was returning. I'm getting pretty sick of it, frankly.(Nothing personal, pixie_twinkle, just annoyed about that in general.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 The McGann rumor was a crock. Bollocks. Pants. Tits up. Pear shaped. Not. Happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Did anything ever come of the rumour that Paul McGann would be in Tennant's final episode in a flashback to the time war?As much as I enjoyed Paul McGann in the TV Movie and the audios... can we please just let this rumor die? He's been rumored to come back ever since 2003 when they announced the series was returning. I'm getting pretty sick of it, frankly.(Nothing personal, pixie_twinkle, just annoyed about that in general.)I wasn't aware that had been a rumour for so long. First time I heard about it was about 2 months ago, and needless to say I was excited at the prospect. I'm not normally a rumour-mongerer, but let's face it, a McGann cameo would have been worth getting excited about. I gather from your comment it is highly unlikely to be true. Disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Saw Parting Of Ways on BBC3 again. Brilliant but I have a question.The Dalek Armada was already destroying whole continents long before The Doctor finished the Delta Wave. (according to dialogue whole continents were being wiped out)Humanity would be completely destoyed, yet the Doctor is still reluctant to activate the Delta Wave because it would supposedly kill everyone on earth.Everyone on Earth is mostly dead or dying anyway...Also, Rose destroyed the Daleks and revived Jack, but apparently did not restore anything else. So Earth in the future still suffers hundreds of millions, possibly billions of casualties, and no mention is ever made in a future episode...ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I'm assuming since it's Earth from a couple thousand years in the future we're not supposed to care so much. But you're right in all your points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I would assume that not everyone in the planet died, and also by that point humanity has started to expand to other regions of space, with colonies and voyages etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Looks like Who's run on SyeFye over here is totally over: BBC America has said they've already picked up Series 5 to broadcast "Q2 2010, soon after its UK premiere". I guess that's the end of my SyiFie viewership as well (as far as I know The Plan will be out on DVD before it's shown on TV), and I'm thiking I'm going to need to pick up digital cable or satellite before next spring as well. Which I've been thinking about anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Slighty different topic, but does anyone know if the Beeb plans to release a box-set of the 2008/9 specials? I've been holding off buying the individual releases as they wouldn't look particularly good on my shelf next to the season sets. I'm hoping they release a 3-disc set. Disc 1: Next Doctor/Planet of Dead/Waters of Mars, Disc 2: End of Time final 2-parter, Disc 3: A wealth of extras including a documentary celebrating Russel T. Davis's astonishing era of Dr Who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I've been holding off too, James. I really hope there will be a box and personally I'd think it would happen, but I haven't heard anything official. Though that documentary, as great as it would be, might be too hopeful. I really hope we get one more Murray Gold CD too with music from the specials. Maybe even a Galactica-style 2 disc set with the complete score for the finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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