tranders 0 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Hey, don't have time to do any scans or anything as of now, but for those of you with Hyperspace (sue me, I've had it for a while), there's a new link to an e-book that's the "final chapter" of the Making of ROTS book, detailing all of the things that happened after the book deadline had to be met. A LOT of this stuff has to do with JW's meetings with Lucas on spotting the movie, and then later on there's a lot of detail about the scoring sessions, which include ALL of the cue names from each day of recording! Pretty cool stuff to read about, and very detailed, so if you can, head over and check it out! As you may be able to tell, though, it's pretty spoiler-heavy, so be warned.Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyclonusArmada 0 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Wow, that sounds excellent! I guess if the info cannot be scanned in here, I may just join HS to read this - I would love to read any background on the ROTS scoring process! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Holy crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Slate Title Recording Date1M3 Boys Into Battle February 12th 20051M4 They're Coming Around February 14th 20051M4a "Get 'em, R-2!" February 7th 20051M5 The Elevator Scene February 17th 20051M6 Count Dooku's Entrance February 14th 20051M7 The Death of Dooku February 2nd 20052M1 [untitled] February 9th 20052M3 Another Happy Landing February 3rd 20052M4 Revisiting Padme Not assigned2M5 Grievous Travels to Palpatine February 3rd 20052M6 Scenes and Dreams February 12th 20052M7 Be Careful of Your Friend February 13th 20053M1 Council Meeting February 14th 20053M2 Hold Me February 13th 20053M2a Palpatine's TV Set February 7th 20053M3 Palpatine's Big Pitch February 9th 20053M5 Goodbye Old Friend February 3rd 20053M6 Going to Utapau February 13th 20053M7 Riding the Lizard February 12th 20053M8 Obi-Wan Fares [sic] Droids February 12th 20054M1a Good Guys Arrive February 8th 20054M1x Drawing Swords February 3rd 20054M3 Palpatine's Seduction February 2nd 20054M4 Rolling with Grievous February 13th 20054M4a Fighting with Grievous February 8th 20054M5 Dialogue with Mace February 17th 20054M5a Padme's Ruminations February 8th 20054M6 I Am the Senate February 14th 20055M1 Palpatine Instructs Anakin February 3rd 20055M3 Lament February 7th 20055M3a Bail's Escape February 14th 20055M4 "Swimming, Droids and Yoda Farewell" February 9th 20055M5 News of the Attack February 12th 20055M6 Moving Things Along February 9th 20055M7 Anakin's Dark Deeds February 3rd 20056M1 It Can't Be February 17th 20056M2 A Moody Trip February 12th 20056M3 Padme's Visit February 2nd 20056M4 Heroes Collide February 2nd 20056M5 **Choir Only** Not assigned6M6 Yoda Falls February 3rd 20056M7 The Boys Continue February 8th 20056M8 Rev. Yoda to Exile February 12th 20056M9 Revenge of the Sith February 3rd 20057M1 The Immolation Scene February 8th 20057M2 Anakin Crawling February 8th 20057M3 The Birth of the Twins February 7th 20057M4 The Death of Padme February 7th 20057M5 Plans for the Twins February 8th 20057M6 Padme's Funeral February 7th 20057M7 A Home for the Twins February 7th 20057M8 End Credits February 17th 2005Also recorded on February 3rd, Revenge of the Sith DVD Version (Battle of the Heroes, presumably). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Takis 206 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Here's the supposed track-list that was announced a while back, for comparison.1. Star Wars and The Revenge Of The Sith 2. Anakin's Betrayal 3. Battle Of The Heroes 4. Anakin's Dream 5. The Reunion Of Anakin And Padme 6. Welcome, Lord Vader 7. Padme's Ruminations 8. Grievous Travels To Palpatine 9. I Am The Senate 10. General Grievous 11. Palpatine's Dark Teachings 12. Anakin vs. Obi-Wan 13. Anakin's Dark Deeds 14. The Immolation Scene 15. The Birth Of The Twins and Padme's Destiny 16. A New Hope and End CreditsIf we assume this track-listing is accurate (and it just got a big shot of credibility), let the speculation begin as to which tracks contain which cues. For example: is "Padme's Destiny" really "The Death of Padme", "Padme's Funeral", or some combination of the two? Is "Palpatine's Dark Teachings" a retitled "Palpatine's Big Pitch" or "Palpatine's Seduction"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 From it's placement, it looks like Palpatine's Dark Teachings could be a combination of Palpatine Instructs Anakin and (hopefully) Lament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Those cue titles seem to cover the entire movie. Hopefully, there won't be any tracked music this time around.Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Except for:1M1 Fox Fanfare1M2 Star Wars (Main Title) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 So then what's 2M2, 4M2, and 5M2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Possibly cues not recorded due to editorial changes (or they could be tracked with music from other films). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Possibly cues not recorded due to editorial changes (or they could be tracked with music from other films).Mm... here we go again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Curiously, my other list of cues lists 2M2 and 5M2. No 4M2 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Wan 65 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Slate Title Recording Date1M3 Boys Into Battle February 12th 20051M4 They're Coming Around February 14th 20051M4a "Get 'em, R-2!" February 7th 20051M5 The Elevator Scene February 17th 20051M6 Count Dooku's Entrance February 14th 20051M7 The Death of Dooku February 2nd 20052M1 [untitled] February 9th 20052M3 Another Happy Landing February 3rd 20052M4 Revisiting Padme Not assigned2M5 Grievous Travels to Palpatine February 3rd 20052M6 Scenes and Dreams February 12th 20052M7 Be Careful of Your Friend February 13th 20053M1 Council Meeting February 14th 20053M2 Hold Me February 13th 20053M2a Palpatine's TV Set February 7th 20053M3 Palpatine's Big Pitch February 9th 20053M5 Goodbye Old Friend February 3rd 20053M6 Going to Utapau February 13th 20053M7 Riding the Lizard February 12th 20053M8 Obi-Wan Fares [sic] Droids February 12th 20054M1a Good Guys Arrive February 8th 20054M1x Drawing Swords February 3rd 20054M3 Palpatine's Seduction February 2nd 20054M4 Rolling with Grievous February 13th 20054M4a Fighting with Grievous February 8th 20054M5 Dialogue with Mace February 17th 20054M5a Padme's Ruminations February 8th 20054M6 I Am the Senate February 14th 20055M1 Palpatine Instructs Anakin February 3rd 20055M3 Lament February 7th 20055M3a Bail's Escape February 14th 20055M4 "Swimming, Droids and Yoda Farewell" February 9th 20055M5 News of the Attack February 12th 20055M6 Moving Things Along February 9th 20055M7 Anakin's Dark Deeds February 3rd 20056M1 It Can't Be February 17th 20056M2 A Moody Trip February 12th 20056M3 Padme's Visit February 2nd 20056M4 Heroes Collide February 2nd 20056M5 **Choir Only** Not assigned6M6 Yoda Falls February 3rd 20056M7 The Boys Continue February 8th 20056M8 Rev. Yoda to Exile February 12th 20056M9 Revenge of the Sith February 3rd 20057M1 The Immolation Scene February 8th 20057M2 Anakin Crawling February 8th 20057M3 The Birth of the Twins February 7th 20057M4 The Death of Padme February 7th 20057M5 Plans for the Twins February 8th 20057M6 Padme's Funeral February 7th 20057M7 A Home for the Twins February 7th 20057M8 End Credits February 17th 2005Also recorded on February 3rd, Revenge of the Sith DVD Version (Battle of the Heroes, presumably).It is great. But the recording dates look strange in comparision with "Hyperspace in London" reports. If I catch it correctly the recording sessions started on February 3th (see report "Post Notes: The Score Begins - February 03, 2005") not February 2th. The recording date of "End Credits" differs the most. In reports they've said it was recorded on February 9th and here it is February 17th. Please could somebody shed light on it because it is real mystery for me. Thank you very much.E-WanNP: Troy promo (Gabriel Yared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Curiously, my other list of cues lists 2M2 and 5M2. No 4M2 though.Btw, it seems the film has been scored pretty much wall-to-wall from beginning to end (as has always been since The Empire Strikes Back). Didn't Ben Burtt said some time ago he would have fight to have the duel scenes WITHOUT music this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Shhhhh!The movie is still in production! DO NOT remind him!no 3M4 either...I hope the score is as (just) chopped as the OT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Perhaps he lost that fight. Hurrah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 He probably did, in the Episode 1 DVD doc Lucas made a sarcastic comment to Burtt and a few others about Williams and his music being possibly over-present in the pod race scene after it's first screening with sound. - Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Really?That is why they tracked escape from naboo (a louder cue than the intended one)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 I don't think he did that. You can see some footage from when they're screening VFX shots of the pod race, where Lucas jokes to VFX supervisor John Knoll, "Remember John, you're not looking at the pods, you're not looking at the backgrounds, you're listening to the music," which is a throwback to an earlier comment from Knoll about the background being allowed to look kind of rough, because you're watching the pods anyway.In fact, at the recording sessions, Lucas talks to Williams about how the music may be buried in the mix or something (the context is kind of hard to make out, because we jump right into the conversation) and that "there is a lot of clashing and banging. Ben Burtt in there. So, if we're going between takes and stuff, it'll all be hidden pretty well." I assume this refers to the lightsaber fight, as Williams makes some comments about the chorus, and we see The Great Dual up on the musicians' standards.- Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Really?That is why they tracked escape from naboo (a louder cue than the intended one)?I would have to watch it again to be sure, but it may have been before the music was added I think, so it was a pre-emptive sarcastic comment pertaining to the sound effects that would be drowned out by his music or something like that.- Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 I don't think he did that. You can see some footage from when they're screening VFX shots of the pod race, where Lucas jokes to VFX supervisor John Knoll, "Remember John, you're not looking at the pods, you're not looking at the backgrounds, you're listening to the music," which is a throwback to an earlier comment from Knoll about the background being allowed to look kind of rough, because you're watching the pods anyway.In fact, at the recording sessions, Lucas talks to Williams about how the music may be buried in the mix or something (the context is kind of hard to make out, because we jump right into the conversation) and that "there is a lot of clashing and banging. Ben Burtt in there. So, if we're going between takes and stuff, it'll all be hidden pretty well." I assume this refers to the lightsaber fight, as Williams makes some comments about the chorus, and we see The Great Dual up on the musicians' standards.- MarcThanks Marc - yes that's more like it, I remember now!- Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Lets just hope "Lament" is on the c.d.At least we have a complete track listing to make a better complete score analysis when the c.d. comes out.Now unused material can't be "hidden"K.M.Wondering why we don't have accurate official c.d. track titles and track times by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelzter 0 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 According to MillenniumFalcon.com, the OFFICIAL CD track titles are as follows:Track Titles:1. Star Wars & The Revenge of the Sith2. Anakin's Betrayal3. Battle of the Heroes4. Anakin's Dream5. The Reunion of Anakin and Padme6. Welcome, Lord Vader7. Padme's Ruminations8. Grevious Travels to Palpatine9. I Am the Senate10. General Grevious11. Palpatine's Dark Teachings12. Anakin vs. Obi-wan13. Anakin's Dark Deeds14. The Immolation Scene15. The Birth of the Twins & Padme's Destiny16. A New Hope & End Credits --Pelzter, very excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Excellent! This will be a great resource for figuring out the complete score. We might not need John Takis and his notebook as much this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Takis 206 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 The track-list is also up at Best Buy's website. I might add that this is identical to the final track-list I proposed weeks ago, based on the initial info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Damn...I really hate that tracklist. But it's the music that matters, right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 But it's the music that matters, right...Right. Who cares about titles as long as the music is good? Besides, there's nothing wrong with making up your own cue titles for your own use if you don't like the official one. I do it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Any track times?At least we know more than half the music in unreleased :cry: .K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Excellent! This will be a great resource for figuring out the complete score. We might not need John Takis and his notebook as much this time. We'll need John's keen ear to pick apart all the edits.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Track Titles: 1. Star Wars & The Revenge of the Sith Why would they combine the main titles and the RotS concert suite onto one track?Tim - a little scared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 The concert suite is Battle of the Heroes. Revenge of the Sith on the album is probably something completely different (looking the previous prequel albums, it'll probably be Going to Utapau or somethine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 The concert suite is Battle of the Heroes. Revenge of the Sith on the album is probably something completely different (looking the previous prequel albums, it'll probably be Going to Utapau or somethine).Let's hope it will contain at least part of the music from the beginning space battle sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 It should, but im wiht jim in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIEfighter 0 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 From what i´ve heard (possible minor spoilers ahead) there´s an extraordinarily long shot (40 secs) following the yellow scrolltext where the camera flies through the opening space battle, so i guess "Revenge of the Sith" will be mostly action music... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyclonusArmada 0 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 I certainly hope this is true, concerning that first track. It would be a tragedy if not a note of Williams's music from either the big opening battle or the big Wookie battle was included on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 I don't see anything in the cue sheet that refers to Wookies.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 I hope:1)Lament is on the c.d. somewhere2)the space Battle is on the c.d. somewhere3)ALL oof the Finale is on the c.d.(not missing crucial bits like ToD,HPPS and HPPoA)K.m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Well, according to some reports I've read, the Wookiee battle isn't really a very big sequence. In fact, as I understand it, the actual battle itself will be shown in just a few shots.- Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 The concert suite is Battle of the Heroes. Revenge of the Sith on the album is probably something completely different (looking the previous prequel albums, it'll probably be Going to Utapau or somethine).I bet Revenge of the sith will be some trasitionnal music repeated somewhere else on the album(a la TPM Arrival on Coruscant ),and Battle of the Heroes will be looped in the End Credits.K.M.Who hopes there's no repeated music a la Jurassic Park or TPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 I bet Revenge of the sith will be some trasitionnal music repeated somewhere else on the album(a la TPM Arrival on Coruscant )Like "Ambush on Coruscant" (aka Arrival at Kamino) was looped somewhere else on the CD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 I don't see anything in the cue sheet that refers to Wookies.K.M.Yes, I noticed that too. From what I know, this sequence isn't a major setpiece (like the Geonosis Battle in AOTC), so the probabilities are:a) the scene wasn't scored at all and will play without musicB) the scene will be scored with tracked and/or pre-existing musicThe latter is of course the most probable situation, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 There's one thing the article told me. George Lucas listens to too many people's opinions. That accounts for most of the post scoring changes, according to the article. People weighing in and George listening to them and changing things, like editing, fight moves, and colors.In the article, some animator added his own fight move by Yoda, not in the script. Yoda throws his sabre like a javelin and then jumps on the chest of the person and removes it in a "badass" or "cool" manner.Lucas remarks that it is very "un-Jedi" but makes no decision.Also, Spielberg and Coppola convince George to edit the film the way they like it. Undoubtedly he asked for their opinion, but couldn't they have said that BEFORE the scoring sessions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyclonusArmada 0 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Well, according to some reports I've read, the Wookiee battle isn't really a very big sequence. In fact, as I understand it, the actual battle itself will be shown in just a few shots.- MarcInteresting. Well, since it would be short sequences then if it is scored, the cues would be shorter and it may not be a big deal if they are left off the album. I guess I am just left hoping the opening battle cues are included, which could very well be in "Revenge of the Sith" titled track... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 I think I may have been mistaken. I think it was the erradication of the Jedi that was going to be shown quickly. Not the Wookiee battle. The Kashyyyk sequence is actually pretty big and spectacular as I understand from some report. Sorry about the confusion.I think Yoda is supposed to be there too, though, so I won't be suprised if one of those tracks with Yoda's name in the title pops up there. But who knows. Perhaps it'll be tracked music after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIEfighter 0 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Also, Spielberg and Coppola convince George to edit the film the way they like it. Undoubtedly he asked for their opinion, but couldn't they have said that BEFORE the scoring sessions?They probably didn´t see Episode III BEFORE the scoring sessions, so i guess the answer´s "no" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 It could well be that the Kashyyyk battle is intercut with other footage, like Obi-Wan fighting Grievous... in that case, it would be scored, despite not being apparent in the cue list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Now that this track list is confirmed, does this mean that Anakin's Betrayal is going to be some sort of concert suite? Either that or it must be a very memorable piece, since track two on all the previous Star Wars scores have been the major new theme for. As much as I am anticipating Battle of the Heroes, I must say that my interest in this track has definitely increased. I'm also curious as to what Revenge of the Sith will be, since that was what the new concert piece/theme was first being called. As King Mark said, I would love to have the entire space battle scene on the CD as well as the entire climax at the end of the film. But it looks as if the end of this album is going to be quite emotional with tracks like Birth of the Twins and Padme's Destiny and the Immolation scene. And I cannot wait to hear what the final track will sound like, before the end credits start, that is. I can only imagine how Williams chose to end the saga. Maybe a sweeping rendition of the Force theme?As for Battle of the Heroes, I'm still holding out hope that it will be heavily influenced by The Dark Side Beckons. I can just imagine the great duel at the end of this film set to a larger and more epic version of that forty seconds from the Return of the Jedi score. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 5M1 Palpatine Instructs Anakin + 5M3 Lament------------------------------------------------------------= 2. Anakin's Betrayal ?-Chris, speculatingThose two cues are consecutive in the list, and supposedly deal with a consecutive course of action, namely (anyone care for spoilers in a thread like this?) Order 66 and its execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyclonusArmada 0 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 "Anakin's Dream" = the entire Scenes and Dreams cue, perhaps? It looks like the album is mostly in chronological order, more like AOTC than the original TPM album. "Anakin's Dark Deeds" could be the usual Williams process of crossfading cues, but I guess could just be 5M7 in its entirety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Takis 206 Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 5M4 "Swimming, Droids and Yoda Farewell" takes place on Kashyyyk, as does part of Lament. Since we know that the Kashyyyk sequences total don't come out to more than four or five minutes, we can presume that if Williams did leave some if it unscored, it wasn't much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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