JWDay + 1: An Even Less Restrained Rant

[Saxman717 21]

OK, I can't stand it..............

Now that you all have heard my long list of complaints about this new ROTS soundtrack (see the Quasi-Rant thread.....all of them still stand, and I'm still bothered by them) and about JW's writing in general these days, I must say this.........

After listening to this new soundtrack over and over again, I love it. Despite its numerous flaws (which do separate it from rising to the level of the OT scores), it's still brilliant and beautiful in so many ways. JW may not be on par with his old works, but still can put out some incredible stuff. I will make the best with what we have and look forward to the treasures of unreleased music bound to be heard on May 19th. And with that, it's time for a slightly different, shorter, yet even less-restrained rant....

:spiny: 8O 8O 8O

CAN'T STOP LISTENING!!! CAN'T STOP WAVING MY HEAD AND ARMS TO THE THRONE ROOM RECAP!!! CAN'T STOP MOVING MY WHOLE BODY TO THE DRIVING FORCE OF TRACKS 1 3 AND 9!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!! YEEHAW!!!!!

8O 8O 8O :spiny:

[King Mark 2,924]

I like the majority of it.Padme's Ruminations and Palpatine's teaching will never be brilliant no matter how much I listen to them.BotH and some other cues are much greater than I thought initially.

but yesterday my first listening of the album was on my ipod where there was noisy trafic,so if I hadn't restrained myself I might have ranted in a way i'd regret too.So it's always wise to wait a day or 2 before posting very negative stuff

k.M.

[pete 521]

I find it usually takes me a good few days to get a handle on a new Williams score, (but sometimes tracks grab me from the get go)

What usually happens I sI experience the first time thrill of hearing new Williams, sometimes followed by some disapointment as the score isn't what I imagined...(how could it be?)

Then after a day or two I suddenly hear things in the music that weren't there before, not new notes...I just begin to "get" or know better the music, and that's when the magic happens.

Yesterday I was a little tired of Revenge, today that "cool" feeling is starting to come.

Immolation in particular is a track that is growing on me, a few of the other tracks I don't know well enough yet, but I'm looking forward to that.

At work now, so I can't listen to the score, absence is making the heart grow fonder,

Revenge is supposed to be the darkest Star Wars, how then could it not be the darkest score??

[King Mark 2,924]

Yes,it's supposed to be a gloomy and tragic movie.I guess I'm just not getting my "sweeping flying cue" fix like Buckbeak or some tender theme like Fawkes,but I guess it's just not the movie for it.

K.M.

[Adam 1]

Seeing the movie always helps for me because I can begin to appreciate the score better on its own terms and I no longer notice all the things it isn't. Also, the jarring stuff will start to seem normal if you listen to it enough (which is not exactly the most ringing endorsement I've ever given).

I try to guard myself against too many expectatons but there's always part of my brain that thinks that the next score could be the greatest music to ever grace the face of the earth. And with this movie, the hype was more intense than usual.

I'm starting to feel like this is very good music, something I'll be listening to a lot. But I'm also adjusting myself to the fact that this is a score that falls well within the range of the other prequel scores for me. Which leads me to believe that this film wasn't as much of the great opportunity that I thought maybe Lucas would find it in himself to pull off. Better than the others musically in some ways but in other ways lacking something the others had. Pretty much what I guess I should have expected.

Of course there's the usual caviet that we don't know about the other music and I'm by no means writing off the film just from this - I'd love to be pleasantly surprised.

- Adam

[krosstj 0]

Personally its not the writting thats bad, come on listen to how some of the chords are contructed, its very intellegent, the cut and paste aspect is a bit annoying, but thats not really williams fault. He still is a F'in technical genius when it come to command of a piece. what I find different in Williams is, well, what is he known for.......Writting Amazing Themes, which strangely enough he just does not do anymore. I mean the man has written well over 200 scores/concerts...blah blah blah...the well can only be so deep. I think also, with people anoyed with the "Rehashing of music" well, I for one actually thing in the 3rd album it makes sense, it is supposed to tie alot of things together and given his tragic 1 and 2 albums, this one actually makes the most sense...HOWEVER, I still need to see the film. SO in closing, WIlliams has not lost his touch with the pen, its just that I believe he has run out of Thematic Ideas.

KrossTJ- who is not a know it all, just an opinion all

[John Crichton 4]

For some reason the third listen is always the key for me. It's when I really start to get a grip on what's going on. Plus final resolutions always should wait until seeing the music work in the film.

I'm getting more and more discouraged not with the music, which I love, but with the way the album's arranged. It feels like there's some serious gaps. Being able to edit it chronologically after seeing the film should help though.

[Henry B 49]

This was one of the few Williams albums I enjoyed much of on my first listen...most have to grow on me. But there are still some glaring problems, such as "Padme's Ruminations."

[bondo 33]

Is "Lament" on this CD? There are so many sad moments, it's hard to tell

[John Crichton 4]

Is "Lament" on this CD? There are so many sad moments, it's hard to tell

I'm 97.4% sure that Anakin's Betrayal is Lament, or at least a portion of it.

[bondo 33]

97.4% you say? Close enough I suppose, but it's certainly no 97.5%...

I might have believed you then

[The Prick vs The DD 0]

Personally its not the writting thats bad, come on listen to how some of the chords are contructed, its very intellegent, the cut and paste aspect is a bit annoying, but thats not really williams fault.  He still is a F'in technical genius when it come to command of a piece.  what I find different in Williams is, well, what is he known for.......Writting Amazing Themes, which strangely enough he just does not do anymore.  I mean the man has written well over 200 scores/concerts...blah blah blah...the well can only be so deep.  I think also, with people anoyed with the "Rehashing of music"  well, I for one actually thing in the 3rd album it makes sense, it is supposed to tie alot of things together and given his tragic 1 and 2 albums, this one actually makes the most sense...HOWEVER, I still need to see the film.  SO in closing, WIlliams has not lost his touch with the pen, its just that I believe he has run out of Thematic Ideas.

I agree with you, except perhaps the 'rehashing' comment. It's very clear to me that the problem doesn't lie in the music itself, but in how it's been handled (by others?).

BTW, what do you mean with cut and paste. Is that your own assumption, as in my case although I called it editting and making a mix, or do you know something more about this?

KrossTJ- who is not a know it all, just an opinion all

First, that's YOUR opinion.

Second. doesn't this statement prove you're a know it all?

[krosstj 0]

I agree with you, except perhaps the 'rehashing' comment. It's very clear to me that the problem doesn't lie in the music itself, but in how it's been handled (by others?).  

BTW, what do you mean with cut and paste. Is that your own assumption, as in my case although I called it editting and making a mix, or do you know something more about this?  

Hey Prick ( LOL I LOVE THAT!) I really don't know anymore more about it, it just sounds very cut and paste like in the mix..that really is just an opinion. I never cared for the guy who does the SW mixes, however this mix is better then the rest I think. I agree with what you have to say, i'm curious how much poking was done to the music (by others). ANyway the force is strong with you Prick.

[The Prick vs The DD 0]

Hey Prick ( LOL I LOVE THAT!) I really don't know anymore more about it, it just sounds very cut and paste like in the mix..that really is just an opinion.  I never cared for the guy who does the SW mixes, however this mix is better then the rest I think.  I agree with what you have to say, i'm curious how much poking was done to the music (by others).

Ah, I see, well at least it proves I'm not the only one hearing this. The only new theme in this mix is 'cut and paste' I guess.

ANyway the force is strong with you Prick.

Hah, I need little force for that.

[krosstj 0]

Hah, I need little force for that.  

and we have reached a new low.

[MSM 85]

Of course I know they are not the reason he writes music, still I wonder if JW would have written a better score for RotS if he had won more oscars for the saga.

[Luke Skywalker 1,287]

Would this score be eligible?

It may have too much previous themes

[Henry B 49]

Nominating this score would be taboo.

[Lurker 5]

Keep in mind, Williams didn't even submit Attack of the Clones to the Academy.

Neil

[King Mark 2,924]

Keep in mind that without the direct lifts from the other scores(the coruscant fanfare,ESB duel music,Throne Room,Guigon's Funeral),there is very little original material using previous themes...bits of ATS here and there,few notes from imperial march in one cue,very quick referances to the emperor's theme,luke's theme and leia's theme.Only The Force Theme is used a bit more....but in the end this SW score feels like PoA compared to the rest if the series.There's not much more use of SW themes in RotS as there is use of previous Potter themes in PoA.In that sence it could be nominated if the total of "lifts" is less than 10%.

K.M.

[Luke Skywalker 1,287]

Well maybe willians will send WOTW or geisha.

They have more options as since they are not GL related...

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

I suspect Geisha will be Williams' score entry. The film sounds like Oscar bait anyway (which I don't mean in a bad way, and not having seen a single frame of it yet I could be wrong of course ).

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

I agree. Star Wars films don't get nominated anymore, and though War of the Worlds may have a chance at a nom, if anything is going to become Williams' sixth win it'll be Geisha.

Ray Barnsbury - who can't wait to compare the actual tracklisting with KM's from a while back

[John Crichton 4]

I agree with the previous agreement.

John- who has nothing else to add.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

War of the Worlds may have a chance at a nom,

What does Nom have to do with this?

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Do you mean 'Nam?

Ray Barnsbury

[MSM 85]

Nederlandse Aardolie Maatschappij?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Do you mean 'Nam?

Ray Barnsbury

No, I most definatly mean Nom.