Josh500 1,615 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I was just wondering. The average person does not know him and sure, thats partly because he writes film music, which not many people are interested in, but considering the wealth of memorable themes he wrote for movies which are virtually known to ANYBODY, it still amazes me that the name John Williams doesnt ring a bell with more people. I think even Andrew Llyod Webber is more well-known than John Williams, although Webbers only wrote two famous songs (Memory and The Phantom of the Opera). Could it be that John Williams is a bit shy when it comes to publicity? Im starting to think he prefers to be the master working in the background. Also, that may explain why there are virtually no books or DVDs or other material on him and his life. What do you think???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Also, that may explain why there are virtually no books or DVDs or other material on him and his life.Isn't he featured on practically every Spielberg DVD released?Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 or could it be that he writes orchestral music? kinda like is the main reason for the average person... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Scoring films is by defination a somewhat "anonyous" profession.John Williams is about as famous an anyone in this profession has ever been, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 14, 2005 Author Share Posted April 14, 2005 Also, that may explain why there are virtually no books or DVDs or other material on him and his life.Isn't he featured on practically every Spielberg DVD released?NeilTrue, but they are just extras, and they exit primarily to promote the OS, I suppose. Im thinking of his biography (or musical journey, if you will) of his life, either in book form or on DVD. And there are none of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoby12 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Scoring films is by defination a somewhat "anonyous" profession.John Williams is about as famous an anyone in this profession has ever been, I think.Williams is the best, Mancini was the most famous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I think even Andrew Llyod Webber is more well-known than John Williams, although Webbers only wrote two famous songs (Memory and The Phantom of the Opera). 'Don't Cry For Me Argentina' is more famous than Memory.'Pie Jesu' from Requiem'Another Suitcase in Another Hall''Love Changes Everything' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Urgh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krosstj 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 SEFANCOS, Love the New Avatar. O.K. Williams is about as popular as you can get for someone who writes for Orchestra Music (For Films none the less) Actually when I mention his name too people, I normally get this reaction......."Oh yea, the guy who rips off melodies from Classical Composers". I swear 6/7 out of 10 people say that *IF they Know who I am talking about* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 6/7 out of 10Six sevenths out of ten?I think Andrew Lloyd Webber is also famous because he wrote plays (or at least Phantom).JW's music is well known to almost everyone, and I bet he likes being that kind of person, so people aren't fawning over him, but his work is still appreciated.~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Why is Williams not more famous? Because he's never on MTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I first heard of Williams when I saw the Duel of the Fates music video. Only later did I find out he wrote that awesome music for Jurassic Park as well (I'd been watching the movie taped off TV for years, which had the end credits brutally cut off). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 WHO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krosstj 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 JoeinAr....Hans Zimmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFAN_2 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 His profession doesn't really require publicity. I mean he doesn't tour on music stations giving interviews on his latest album now does he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 JoeinAr....Hans Zimmerwho....who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krosstj 0 Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 David Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 15, 2005 Author Share Posted April 15, 2005 His profession doesn't really require publicity. I mean he doesn't tour on music stations giving interviews on his latest album now does he?That's not exactly true. He promoted the OS of Episode I on radio. He did an interview, and I've got the interview on CD. Very surprising indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 Josh500 you must be very young, because your comments about A.L.Webber's famous songs is not accurate.I can't believe even Alex didn't mention this.Jesus Christ SuperStar was the biggest hit of all of them, and it had I Don't know How to Love Him, and Everythings Alright which were all hits back in the 70's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 But Argentina is the biggest selling single Webber ever had. It also was 3000.000.000 times on the radio too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 Mostly because of Madonna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 Well the other day, i dont remember why, it came up the conversation about my 'freakeness' (in a friendly way ) since i like many trilogies and so... and that friend asked me about EPIII, and told me he had learned to play SW main title and Imperial march on the guitar, and i could help asking him 'and what is the name of the composer?' and after a failure response (George Lucas!? 0_o) he remembered he had done a work in the school about recognising themes) and said the guy in the spielberg movies, no?.... er... Williams..... John Williams .I was amazed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 Mostly because of Madonna.No, Stefancos. You weren't even there so please refrain yourself from making such crazy statements. The original version by Julie Covington was the second biggest selling single in the UK in 1976. This single became the best selling single ever by a female vocalist. How old were you when that happened, boy?Well, boy?----------------Alex Cremers - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krosstj 0 Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 Your all boys to my Manliness. Why, I bet you don't even know who Marylin Chambers is....hmmm?????KrosstJ- Yes, thats who I am talking about, now show your age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 Mostly because of Madonna.No, Stefancos. You weren't even there so please refrain yourself from making such crazy statements. The original version by Julie Covington was the second biggest selling single in the UK in 1976. This single became the best selling single ever by a female vocalist. How old were you when that happened, boy?Well, boy?----------------Alex Cremers - wrong Alex, You Light Up my life is the best selling single by a female singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 No, Stefancos. You weren't even there so please refrain yourself from making such crazy statements. The original version by Julie Covington was the second biggest selling single in the UK in 1976. This single became the best selling single ever by a female vocalist. How old were you when that happened, boy?Well, boy?----------------Alex Cremers - That does not count.1976 was like...more then 10 years ago...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 Mostly because of Madonna.No, Stefancos. You weren't even there so please refrain yourself from making such crazy statements. The original version by Julie Covington was the second biggest selling single in the UK in 1976. This single became the best selling single ever by a female vocalist. How old were you when that happened, boy?Well, boy?----------------Alex Cremers - wrong Alex, You Light Up my life is the best selling single by a female singer.Never heard of it. Are you really, really sure? Are we talking worldwide here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 16, 2005 Author Share Posted April 16, 2005 Josh500 you must be very young, because your comments about A.L.Webber's famous songs is not accurate.I can't believe even Alex didn't mention this.Jesus Christ SuperStar was the biggest hit of all of them, and it had I Don't know How to Love Him, and Everythings Alright which were all hits back in the 70's.You're right, the statement about A.L. Webber may not have been accurate. But I was simply trying to make a point about JW not being famous enough. It's a fact that people watch a LOT less musicals than movies, and JW has been associated with the most popular movies in history. So I'm just curious why so many people know ALW and so few know JW. Maybe, if JW wrote more songs than orchestral music . . . but who knows??? I think it's a bummer that I have to explain everytime who JW is, whenever someone asks me what kind of music I like to listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Comparing the fame of ALW with that of JW is a bit ackward.Musicals very prominently feature their musical score (sence the name musical ), while for (most) films music has a much more subliminal role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Josh it has to do with Andrew Lloyd Webber's name being above the name of the musicals, its that simple.on the films that John scores, there are names like Spielberg, Lucas, Columbus, and Stone on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 16, 2005 Author Share Posted April 16, 2005 Josh it has to do with Andrew Lloyd Webber's name being above the name of the musicals, its that simple.on the films that John scores, there are names like Spielberg, Lucas, Columbus, and Stone on top.Yeah, I guess it's as simple as that. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Actually it is.ALW is more like the director of his musicals then just the composer.And in the world of musicals, he is Steven Spielberg, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 well Josh, if that doesn't work for you, what the hell do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 16, 2005 Author Share Posted April 16, 2005 well Josh, if that doesn't work for you, what the hell do you want?What the hell do you mean??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 you asked basically a rhetorical question, do you really expect an answer that will satisfy you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 16, 2005 Author Share Posted April 16, 2005 you asked basically a rhetorical question, do you really expect an answer that will satisfy you?No, I'm not satisfied on this, but I've come aways toward understanding why it's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 The main reason is that your average person does not listen to film scores for fun. People like songs... music with words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 The main reason is that your average person does not listen to film scores for fun. People like songs... music with words. I like music 'with' or 'without' words. The voice is considered to be the ultimate instrument. Voices often use words. I like words. I like music 'with' or 'without' words. Repeat infinity.---------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 The voice is considered to be the ultimate instrument.By whom? I consider the french horn to be the ultimate intsrtrument.~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muehlopwer 0 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Why the French Horn!! I don't know many amteur horn players, who play their Instrument well!!The Clarinet is THE ULTIMATE instrument, because go can accompany tragic and funny music!! Unfortunately it's not often used!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Why the French Horn!! I don't know many amteur horn players, who play their Instrument well!!The Clarinet is THE ULTIMATE instrument, because go can accompany tragic and funny music!! Unfortunately it's not often used!!!1) Since when has anyone compared their favorite instrument to how an amatuer plays it?2) Tragic and funny music? I don't think any other instrument can do that. ~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Why is it important that he's famous or not to everybody? Heck in his field of work, if there is somebody who is famous, it's Johnny. Nobody will ever bring this type of art to the masses. Won't ever happen. It's like going on the streets asking "Hey you know who's Frank Lloyd Wright?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 The voice is considered to be the ultimate instrument.By whom? I consider the french horn to be the ultimate intsrtrument.~SturgisIts expression is limited compared to the human voice. The violin is considered to be the closest to the human voice. So, there you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 I see where you're coming from, but what do you mean "considered by?" Who considers the voice the ultimate instrument?~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 What a strange question to ask about such commonly held notion. It means that composers, musicians, critics, professors, music fans, people who know a little about music and musical instruments usually come to one conclusion. The voice is the most complex, most versatile, oldest, most expressive and most admired natural sound source.It is often said that the violin (due to its design) is the closest in duplicating the human voice. ---------------Alex cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 The main reason is that your average person does not listen to film scores for fun. People like songs... music with words.They need to hear words that will tell them how to feel.I love you baaaby,I want you baaaby,come to me baaaby...don't leave me baaaby....Score lovers have more complex brains.We only need the music to evoque whatever it is to evoque.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Indeed.Ray Barnsbury - who thinks that's probably the way classical elitists view film score fans, but doesn't really care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Film score fans get the most grief out of anyone in music fandom. We're looked down on by fans of "popular music" as geeks, strange, and losers. And we're looked down on by classical elitits as simpletons.But personally I rather enjoy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Yes,Classical Elitists probably talk about how JWfans need their instrumental cliches to evoque specific emotions and images.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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