The End of Enterprise

[Lurker 5]

Speaking of Star Trek... the first of the final 6 episodes of Enterprise will be broadcast tomorrow night on UPN, for those of you who care. After which time there will be precious little reason to watch the network, in my humble opinion.

Neil

[krosstj 0]

INDY, Enterprise sucked....sorry, as I always respect your opinion and do so on this too, but really, there is a reason why it failed so bad.

[John Takis 353]

I'm scratching my head as well. I thought we'd pretty well established that Enterprise was shite. Especially since it's a prequel! Maybe you're not feeling yourself tonight, Neil.

[stewdog1 50]

Seasons 1 - 3 sucked hairy moose balls.

Season 4 OTOH has been very good. Almost DS9 esque.

[John Takis 353]

Season 4 OTOH has been very good.  Almost DS9 esque.

Oh dear ... I may have to come to your house and punch you.

[stewdog1 50]

I said "almost".

I'm from St. Louis by the way. Grew up in St. Charles.

[JoeinAR 1,953]

INDY, Enterprise sucked....sorry, as I always respect your opinion and do so on this too, but really, there is a reason why it failed so bad.

I never cared for the show, and I thought it was poorly done

but even your comments are not quite right, it didn't fail so bad,

4 years on network TV is better than alot of shows get.

and I agree this season has been much better.

[John Takis 353]

I said "almost".

And yet I still feel the urge to punch you...

I'm from St. Louis by the way.  Grew up in St. Charles.

I was born in St. Charles, MI, but I only moved to St. Louis, MO this last September. Neat town!

[John Takis 353]

4 years on network TV is better than alot of shows get.

Creatively, dramatically, any other show this weak wouldn't have lasted nearly that long. The Trek brand is what enabled the show to survive it's first season.

and I agree this season has been much better.

Sure, in the sense that anal leakage is much better than anal bleeding.

Am I perhaps projecting my feelings too strongly?

[Justin 2]

I wanna see Riker and Troi again, Weeeee!

Justin

[John Crichton 4]

Only a few more weeks until the The Next Generation Finale, Take Two.

[krosstj 0]

Only a few more weeks until the The Next Generation Finale, Take Two.

Speaking of TNG, I always thought the ending to the series was wonderful...I mean not many shows go out with such a good ending.

KrossTJ- Who will not probably get flamed for that post, but its true..in his opinion anyway, which we all should start learn is the word of GOD!

"I'm not a Know it all, I'm an Opinion all"

[Lurker 5]

And by the way, when you pick up Star Trek: Enterprise - The Complete First Season on 5/3, you'll find a sticker on the packaging promoting the show's 2-hour finale on 5/13 on UPN. It just makes me crazy, folks.

Neil

[ST-321 4]

For the record I much prefered Enterprise to Voyager. The Xindi season was a mistake, but I'm still sorry to see it go.

[A24 4,751]

Well, according to Maraquesh this was the first Star Trek show with a decent tune.

[Greg1138 3]

Well, according to Maraquesh this was the first Star Trek show with a decent tune.

Greg - who is STILL waiting for the Special Edition First Contact to be released in the UK......6 weeks and counting...

[Justin 2]

And by the way, when you pick up Star Trek: Enterprise - The Complete First Season on 5/3, you'll find a sticker on the packaging promoting the show's 2-hour finale on 5/13 on UPN. It just makes me crazy, folks.

What is the problem here?

Justin

[hunky_artist 0]

well I actually like Enterprise... especially when compared to all the reality shite that you just KNOW is gonna replace it.

*sigh*

[John Crichton 4]

Well, I don't know if anyone else bothered with the finale, but I did. It wasn't, in Jolene Blalock's words, "appalling," (and despite her feelings she steals almost every scene she's in as an ever more emotional T'Pol, a wonderful performance) but it was rather close. As I thought, it was as much the TNG finale Take 2 as the Enterprise one. In fact the Enterprise story was there just to supplement the Riker/Troi story, which was treated as the main one! I almost screamed when Riker called "end program" just when Archer was about to give his speech at the founding of the Federation. Just what was this show supposed to be about anyway? Sheesh. And don't get me started about Trip's death. Cheap and pointless.

That being said, take out the TNG elements and either re-work or eliminate Trip's death and this could have been rather good. But it is what it is. The final montage covering the 3 generations was nice though, as was McCarthy's score. I thought I heard him playing with his Generations main theme in the shots of the Enterprise-D, and he has very nice statements of the Courage fanfare and Goldsmith's main theme in the final montage.

[Lurker 5]

Terra Prime, is the second part of the show's final dramatic arc (centering on the issue of xenophobia) which began last week with Demons. It promises to be pretty good. Likely not so good, however, will be the second hour of the broadcast - the show's final episode, These Are the Voyages.... Unfortunately, it's actually more of a finale for all of Star Trek (it plays like an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation), so the Enterprise characters get rather short shrift. Word is it's going to be pretty unsatisfying for those of you who have hung with Enterprise for the last four years. Apparently, a lot of the show's cast and crew considers Terra Prime to be the show's REAL finale, so take that under advisement. Anyway, tune in if you care, and enjoy them if you can. It'll probably be the last new Trek we get to see for a long time (which I'm starting to think is actually a good thing), so you know... mix a few good stiff drinks of choice and tough it out.

Neil

[JoeinAR 1,953]

I thought the final episode was terrific.

It didn't just end Enterprise, it had a nice lesson on Riker and his decision to tell Picard about the phased cloaking device that (this episode hints it was section 31) covert Star Fleet experiments built.

Its interesting because you catch a glimps of Picard from behind, and you hear Data over the intercom. The last bit of music that we were told about, was it by FAT, was quite nice. Overall Enterprise went out well. And Jolene Blaylock was right and wrong, it was appalling that they killed off Trip, who was the best character on the show, right after the episode where they kill off her and Trips baby Elizabeth. Killing Trip was appalling, but she became very good in her role.

[TheRuleOfThirds 0]

I thought Enterprise was Star Trek for rednecks. Jolene Blalock's boobs and Connor Trineer's awful pseudo-country accent. It's sort of like what would happen if Jerry Bruckheimer was ever to produce a ST series. Oh god. I just came up with the most bastardized version of ST ever...Star Trek meets CSI. How can I cleanse such a horrid thought from my mind and all existence!

[JoeinAR 1,953]

thanks Daniel for the interesting editorial, I didn't know that boobs where an exclusive redneck posession.

btw, there was a really good War of the World commercial, with some new footage, and some old. There was one wide shot of a wall of fire that was cool.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,729]

thanks Daniel for the interesting editorial, I didn't know that boobs where an exclusive redneck posession.

Only their sisters boobs, that's probably were Daniel got confused.

Star Trek has ALWAYS shown of the female figure, remember those really short and tight uniforms Uhura and Rand wore?

[John Crichton 4]

btw, there was a really good War of the World commercial, with some new footage, and some old.  There was one wide shot of a wall of fire that was cool.

That's right, I forgot about that. That wall of fire at the end also has a very teasing glimpse of an alien ship, just barely visible. A good teaser.

[Justin 2]

Don't get UPN.

Justin - Who'll see it eventually.

[krosstj 0]

Are they gonna re-run it? Cause I missed it

[stewdog1 50]

It was ok. This episode was so hollow that it is easily forgettable. Why could they not let Archer get his due and make that speach? Cut out the Shran subplot and this show would have had more time to develop.

The two episodes before the finale, Demons and Terra Prime, should have been what this show was about from the beginning. It is so frustrating that we go The Alien of the Week for the first two seasons, then a pointless Xindi arc/war.

[JoeinAR 1,953]

I thought the Xindi arc was ok, but why had we never heard of the Xindi in the future, or the alien race that Dr. Phlox was from.

[Saxbabe 28]

Not bad, not great. Hard to fit that in an hour considering the plot was pretty ambitious. (Terra Prime) I never really got into Enterprise though, it just didn't stack up to the others well for me.

Main problem I had with it was that the "purification" villainous-wipe-them-out weapon plot was much like Star Trek: Insurrection and Star Trek: Nemesis.

Now These Are The Voyages is starting. It's always sentimental for me to see TNG characters. I couldn't be happier to see that first shot of the TNG holodeck.

I was a really huge nut for TNG (and still am), it got me into science fiction as a whole, I have fond memories of waiting for it every week through my pre-teen years. I used to read all the TNG novels and wished for ages that Riker and Troi would just get together already. (The Imzadi novel was super!) Actually, I had a crush on Riker. But in that series, I truly loved each character (yes I even liked Wesley )

The score for Terra Prime by Chattaway I thought was quite good (Ex. the part just before the ray fired). Though the majestic horn-dominated Dennis McCarthy score for the last hour was even better. His top-notch work through his long Star Trek career is just great, his final cue was a fitting homage that blended both the old and the new themes.

From FMS website about the last recording session and score

Boldly Gone: The Final Star Trek Score

I didn't know McCarthy's trademarks were Hawaiian shirts and conducting with a green Sharpie pen... LOL

Greta - who thinks Counselor Troi has lost more han half her accent here compared to TNG

[Saxbabe 28]

And by the way, when you pick up Star Trek: Enterprise - The Complete First Season on 5/3, you'll find a sticker on the packaging promoting the show's 2-hour finale on 5/13 on UPN. It just makes me crazy, folks.

What is the problem here?

Justin

The problem is the last hour really was a TNG fest, not Enterprise.

All those events weren't even happening, Riker was just visiting them as a program in the Holodeck...the main story was really Riker trying to make the decision to tell Picard about the continuation of the anti-cloaking research.

**QUESTION: Where in the timeline was this episode supposed to be with the ST:TNG crew storyline? Obviously it is before Nemesis happened, since we hear Data's voice. And also Riker and Troi seemed to be together - but not married.

Greta

[John Takis 353]

"Our long national nightmare is over."

[Lurker 5]

**QUESTION: Where in the timeline was this episode supposed to be with the ST:TNG crew storyline? Obviously it is before Nemesis happened, since we hear Data's voice. And also Riker and Troi seemed to be together - but not married.

The 7th season episode, The Pegasus.

Neil

[John Crichton 4]

I thought the Xindi arc was ok, but why had we never heard of the Xindi in the future, or the alien race that Dr. Phlox was from.

The thing I liked about the Xindi arc was that it was a move toward serialization, which is always a good one IMO. Bigger stories, and much more involving than stand-alones. The problem was execution. After the first few episodes of that season I still couldn't be bothered to watch regularly, but I peeked in from time to time (better than season 2, which I saw maybe 5 minutes of total).

[stewdog1 50]

**QUESTION: Where in the timeline was this episode supposed to be with the ST:TNG crew storyline? Obviously it is before Nemesis happened, since we hear Data's voice. And also Riker and Troi seemed to be together - but not married.

The 7th season episode, The Pegasus.

Neil

What bugs me is that this does not fit into The Pegasus at all. If the writers even watched that episode at all, you will know that Riker only told Picard about the situation after Picard called him out on the carpet about it. Riker then only begrudgingly told him.

This episode made it seem that Riker was all happy and at peace with himself to tell Picard. Here's part of the transcript from that episode:

PICARD

I'm taking it up with you. The

Judge Advocate thought you were

participating in a conspiracy to

cover-up the truth. That you were

lying about what really happened

on the Pegasus. Now, I want you

to tell me that's not true.

Riker even though he is noticably uncomfortable dosnt say anything,,

picard loses it and throws the padd on the table..

picard continues,,,Wil, what the hell's going on

here? Why did your crew mutiny?

And why is Pressman so determined

to find your ship twelve years

later?

Will in a very formal tone as if making a report..

I've told you all I can. I am

under the direct orders of Admiral

Pressman... not to discuss this.

Sir.

.

picard...

Very well. He's an admiral, I'm

a captain -- I can't force you to

disobey him.

I will tell you this... I need to

place a great deal of trust in the

person who serves as my first

officer. You've had that trust...

until now. But something is wrong

here... and you're part of it.

(beat)

And when this mission is over...

I may have to re-evaluate the

command structure of this ship.

[JoeinAR 1,953]

And by the way, when you pick up Star Trek: Enterprise - The Complete First Season on 5/3, you'll find a sticker on the packaging promoting the show's 2-hour finale on 5/13 on UPN. It just makes me crazy, folks.

What is the problem here?

Justin

The problem is the last hour really was a TNG fest, not Enterprise.

All those events weren't even happening, Riker was just visiting them as a program in the Holodeck...the main story was really Riker trying to make the decision to tell Picard about the continuation of the anti-cloaking research.

**QUESTION: Where in the timeline was this episode supposed to be with the ST:TNG crew storyline? Obviously it is before Nemesis happened, since we hear Data's voice. And also Riker and Troi seemed to be together - but not married.

Greta

I thought you were a big TNG fan, as Neil said its The Pegasus.

Its the episode of the phased cloaking device. Anti-cloaking device???

And the events were happening, even though Riker was viewing them as history.

stewdog, its obvious that this takes place after the conversation you posted.

[stewdog1 50]

stewdog, its obvious that this takes place after the conversation you posted.

I beg to differ, but that's ok. Rewatch the episode if you can. In the episode, Pressman was on board when Riker told Picard. In TATV, Pressman was not on board yet.

[ST-321 4]

I know that you cannot post it here, but if anyone runs across a sound clip of the montage at the end, I would be happy to see a PM from them.

[John Crichton 4]

The score is more than worthy of a CD release. It was the best thing in the episode.

[stewdog1 50]

I hope that score is released. Along with more DS9.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,729]

I need to see a score release of Chattaway's music for the Voyager episodes Scorpion parts 1 and 2.

[Lurker 5]

I watched this last night. It was terrible. What a totally pointless episode! Riker talks to the Enterprise crew to solve a dilemma we saw him resolve 11 years ago. Where's the drama, and what's the point? The Enterprise crew served no purpose in this episode. It should have been on the Titan, and we should have seen that warp off at the end to show that Star Trek would go on.

And as for this thread, every other post in it that I made was a just me plagiarising Bill Hunt of The Digital Bits.

Neil

[stewdog1 50]

And as for this thread, every other post in it that I made was a just me plagiarising Bill Hunt of The Digital Bits.

I had a hunch, but I kept it to myself.

[John Crichton 4]

And as for this thread, every other post in it that I made was a just me plagiarising Bill Hunt of The Digital Bits.

Theif! Ban him!

[Mr. Breathmask 582]

WHOOSH!

That's the sound of Neil's joke going over my head.

[Lurker 5]

Hey at least I credited him!

Neil

[stewdog1 50]

Hey at least I credited him!

Neil

And for that you get a cookie.

[Justin 2]

Wait...what happened?

Justin -

[stewdog1 50]

This all goes back to the Star Wars DVD and Neil and some plagarizing at TheDigitalBits. Ask Neil.

[Edmilson 10,015]

Anyone else has Enterprise as your favorite Star Trek show?

 

Now, before you jump on my throat, let me explain. My parents were casual Trek fans in the 90s when I was born, meaning they liked to watch the occasional Trek episode on cable once in a while. I remember they watching TNG or Voyager (I think) but since I was too little I don't remember specifics about the episodes they were seeing.

 

Fast forward to 2005, when I was 12. My dad buys season 1 of Enterprise on DVD and I start watching with my family. I really liked! I thought it was a cool sci-fi series. Of course, I wasn't aware there were other better Trek shows out there... But 12 year old me liked what he was seeing of Enterprise.

 

I remember watching on DVD seasons 1 and 2, though I'm not sure if I got to finish 2. I only have vivid memories of two episodes though: the season 1 finale where the Enterprise's captain gets stranded in the past (or was it the future? I dunno) and another one where they time travel to the 1950s and invent velcro.

 

Also, I really liked the opening credits with that song... Only years later I found out that 99% of ST fans hate it.