More RotS on DVD?

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

German website world-of-video.de has an interview up with none other than Mr. Lucas himself (click).

It's pretty short, but there's some interesting tidbits. They talked about the TV-show that's coming up. It'll be 30-minute episodes, and it'll be animated. I was a bit confused, because he mentioned they'd screened 5-minute test-cartoons on American television. Did he mean the Clone Wars cartoons, or something else?

Also, there was some mention of 3-D. He said that there won't be a 3-D release on DVD, rather, the 3-D release will (if it happens) be on the next high-def format.

But what jumped out was this (translated):

WoV showtime: Is it true, Mr. Lucas, that you have special filmmaterial, that will only be in the DVD-release of "Revenge of the Sith"?

George Lucas: Yes, we have among other things shot a little subplot, in which Padmé and Bail Organa play an important role. This material for instance was not in the theatrical release, and will be seen exclusively in the DVD-version.

Now what's this? Will there be a longer version of RotS on DVD? Or does he simply mean it'll be available on the 2nd disc in the "deleted scenes" section? It wouldn't be the first time something is done to a Star Wars film for the DVD-release. In fact, all five of the films were changed before being released on DVD.

So will there be a longer version on the DVD? Or just a bunch of deleted scenes?

Unfortunately, whatever happens, I'm pretty sure there won't be any new music.

- Marc

[deimos 0]

I guess they talk about the deleted scenes. There has never been new scenes on DVD but changes to scenes on the DVD, apart from the taxi scene on TPM, that was like a 'Hey, we can do skyscrapers', not important at all. Remember the new Jabba was for the theratical new release.

I bet that the subplot is the birth of the rebel alliance. That would mean that it's in the end of the movie, and I don't think they plan to change things that near the end.

OTOH I guess there will be some minor changes, as we are used to, but not a big one like introducing a new subplot.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

The Rebel Alliance subplot was several scenes in the first and second act where Padmé, Bail, Mon Mothma, and a bunch of other folk formed the alliance. That's indeed the subplot mentioned.

But I too suspect it'll be in the extras, not in the movie proper.

[benefactor 3]

It is clearly stated that he talk about DVD-version of the movie as opposed to the theatrical version.

Yes. This subplot will be in the extended version of the movie itself, not just in a deleted scenes section.

[John Crichton 4]

It's pretty short, but there's some interesting tidbits. They talked about the TV-show that's coming up. It'll be 30-minute episodes, and it'll be animated. I was a bit confused, because he mentioned they'd screened 5-minute test-cartoons on American television. Did he mean the Clone Wars cartoons, or something else?

There's two TV shows coming out, the continuation of the Clone Wars cartoons and the live-action show. Right there he's talking about the Clone Wars. I'm pretty sure that it's been confirmed that the live action show will be 1 hour (or 45 minutes really, with commericals).

Personally I'd like to see an extended cut of Episode III like the LotR EEs with all that Senate stuff back in. If only there'd be new music recorded too... :roll:

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

I honestly don't mind the senators sub-plot being cut at all, minus the fact that Mon Mothma goes along with it. Just give me that Qui-Gon scene back and I'll be happy.

[deimos 0]

I thought the rebel alliance was forged after palpatine becomes emperor. But the it would make sense to happen after if Padme is the leader of the oppositors to the Chancellor.

If it's not in the end I'm not sure it should be in. Politics scenes are generally slow and the second quarter fo the movie is the slowest part of the film and for some too slow. Besides it would distract people from the real puropose of that quarter of the movie, that is, helping us buying Anakin's betrayal. If it doesn't make it for me now, I'm not sure how it would work with a distracting subplot in there.

And yes, bring Liam Neeson back!

[ridan 0]

Politics would probably upstage Anakin and Padme themselves...

[Unlucky Bastard 7,765]

Liam Neeson actually shot something for ROTS?

Drax, confused. :?

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

There's a scene where Qui-Gon has a voice-over, but I'm not sure whether it was ever actually recorded. Reports of Neeson's involvement were pretty vague. He certainly didn't film any material.

[deimos 0]

Liam Neeson actually shot something for ROTS?

Drax, confused.  :?

I read somewhere that he did, but also in more other places that he didn't. But if he didn't Lucas could just film that shot for the DVD like in LOTR. But then he could also be tempted to include Neeson in ROTJ, which would be ridiculous, but not for the change itself, which would be much more reasonable that putting Hayden in, but for another change.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

Once again, Qui-Gon Jinn was not intended to be seen. Only heard.

This is how it appeared in the illustrated screenplay:

222 (165) INT. POLIS MASSA - OBSERVATION DOME - NIGHT

On the isolated asteroid of Polis Massa, YODA meditates.

YODA: Failed to stop the Sith Lord, I have. Still much to learn, there is...

QUI-GON: (V.O.) Patience. You will have time. I did not. When I became one with the Force I made a great discovery. With my training, you will be able to merge with the Force at will. Your physical self will fade away, but you will retain your consciousness. You will become more powerful than any Sith.

YODA: Eternal consciousness.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.

YODA: ...to become one with the Force, and influence still have... A power greater than all, it is.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) You will learn to let go of everything. No attachment, no thought of self. No physical self.

YODA: A great Jedi Master, you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. Your apprentice I gratefully become.

YODA thinks about this for a minute, then BAIL ORGANA enters the room and breaks his meditation.

BAIL ORGANA: Excuse me, Master Yoda. Obi-Wan Kenobi has made contact.

Obi-Wan arrives with Padmé shortly after.

[AC1 3,565]

Liam Neeson actually shot something for ROTS?

Drax, confused.  :?

I read somewhere that he did, but also in more other places that he didn't.

Neeson got a bad hangover from TPM. It would surprise me if he did some more work for Lucas.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

222 (165) INT. POLIS MASSA - OBSERVATION DOME - NIGHT

On the isolated asteroid of Polis Massa' date=' YODA meditates.[/i']

YODA: Failed to stop the Sith Lord, I have. Still much to learn, there is...

QUI-GON: (V.O.) Patience. You will have time. I did not. When I became one with the Force I made a great discovery. With my training, you will be able to merge with the Force at will. Your physical self will fade away, but you will retain your consciousness. You will become more powerful than any Sith.

YODA: Eternal consciousness.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.

YODA: ...to become one with the Force, and influence still have... A power greater than all, it is.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) You will learn to let go of everything. No attachment, no thought of self. No physical self.

YODA: A great Jedi Master, you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. Your apprentice I gratefully become.

Why all the excitement about these scene?

It does not sound very good, not very good at all.

Just something tagged on into the script to explain why Ben fades away when Vader kills him in SW.

[AC1 3,565]

Fades away? That was a split second vanishing act!

[deimos 0]

Why all the excitement about these scene?

It does not sound very good, not very good at all.

Just something tagged on into the script to explain why Ben fades away when Vader kills him in SW.

That's the feeling I have when I see the scene when Yoda tells Obiwan about Qui-Gon. With a first scene with Qui-Gon and yoda and then a second, shorter that the current one, with yoda explaning Kenobi about it it works more fluently I think, and less than an explanation to Obiwan's vanishing.

I know the editing room is for removing unnecesaary scenes, but two split scenes would work better in this case than one IMO.

[King Mark 2,924]

How does this explain that Anakin becomes a force ghost at the end of RotJ.He didn't even vanish or learn how to do this.

K.M.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

I've been saying that ever since I read the script. It makes no sense now for either old or young Anakin to appear at the end of RotJ.

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

Well, Qui Gonn didn't vanish. And who knows what Anakin learned on the Dark Side?

Marian -

[Lurker 5]

Just watch Star Wars and don't concern yourself with the prequels and sequels. It all makes sense and won't keep you up late at night worrying about such stupid matters.

Neil

[bondo 33]

Just watch Star Wars and don't concern yourself with the prequels and sequels.  It all makes sense and won't keep you up late at night worrying about such stupid matters.

Neil

So the entire Empire just collapsed after it's prototype weapon, the Death Star blew up? They don't sound very intimidating then...

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

Just watch Star Wars and don't concern yourself with the prequels and sequels.  It all makes sense and won't keep you up late at night worrying about such stupid matters.

:roll:

[AC1 3,565]

Yep, Neil has become the purist under the purists. He has joined those who believe that only Star Wars (1977) is great and that Lucas told nothing new with his later efforts.

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Alex Cremers

[TheRuleOfThirds 0]

Yep, Neil has become the purist under the purists. He has joined those who believe that only Star Wars (1977) is great and that Lucas told nothing new with his later efforts.  

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Alex Cremers

Therefore, TESB ain't the greatest score ever, because it doesn't exist. Or was it a concert piece?

[bondo 33]

ESB? Never heard of it, doesn't exist!

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Just watch Star Wars and don't concern yourself with the prequels and sequels.  It all makes sense and won't keep you up late at night worrying about such stupid matters.

Neil

So the entire Empire just collapsed after it's prototype weapon, the Death Star blew up? They don't sound very intimidating then...

And Both Vader and the Emperor are alive.

With the complete Imperial army ships. None was destroyed at Yavin.

[bondo 33]

Seems like an awful place to end the 'story' doesn't it?

[Henry B 49]

And Both Vader and the Emperor are alive.

With the complete Imperial army ships. None was destroyed at Yavin.

Vader spins off into space, and we aren't given the impression that the Emperor is an important character. And there is no Imperial fleet, as far as we know.

Remember, these things were established in the sequels.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Please. What it the emperor of the galaxy a puppet? He doesnt have to appear to know he is important. He erradicated the senate and last remant of the Republic in that movie.

And the Imperial fleet does exist, quoting kenobi and han solo:

Kenobi:"...destroyed by the empire"

Solo:"What? Even the whole Imperial Army couldnt do that"

If it doesnt appear in the movie, it doesnt mean it is not important, or does not exist.

Then, the rebels only had the Tantive IV or what?

And vader stops spining of, and flies straighly in his last shot, going for somewhere. So he is not lost forever in deep space. If that, what would be the point of keeping him alive and not die in the Death Star Explosion?

Sorry but SW is as standalone as TPM could have been if it had been released the 1st. Both end well and almost complete, but the main evil is still alive.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Sorry but SW is as standalone as TPM could have been if it had been released the 1st. Both end well and almost complete, but the main evil is still alive.

I'm sure Neil will laugh very hard when he reads that statement. 8O

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Well i believe in it and i'm stating facts there, regarless of the quality and great trascendende to film industry of one of them.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Unlike all the other films, it was never a given that Star Wars (1977) would be succesfull enough to have a sequel.

SW tells a selfcontained story, with a little window left open for the possibility of a sequel.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

How does this explain that Anakin becomes a force ghost at the end of RotJ.He didn't even vanish or learn how to do this.

K.M.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.

I think that Roald's signature says also Love is the key or something. That could be in the book, i dont know.

[Lurker 5]

Sorry but SW is as standalone as TPM could have been if it had been released the 1st. Both end well and almost complete, but the main evil is still alive.

I'm sure Neil will laugh very hard when he reads that statement. 8O

I did.

Neil - who would like to point out that the supposed fourth film has the best explanation of the Force

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

SW tells a selfcontained story, with a little window left open for the possibility of a sequel.

That's exactly what i said.

And TPM too.

Look, The Naboo are freed and the Trade Federation leaders arrested.

The Naboo and the Gungans find Peace with each other

Palpatine becomes Supreme Chancellor and it will bring sanity to the Republic

The Jedi accept to Train Anakin and Obi Wan fullfils Qui-Gons last words, so anakin will become the chosen one and bring balance to the force.

One sithlord is Killed

Open window: there is still one sithlord Living, the master.

In SW:

The Death Star is Destroyed along with its driver, Moff Tarkin

The Rebellion is not Mass threatened

Luke will become a Jedi knight with help from Kenobi's ghost

Han Solo remain in the Rebellion

Open window: There is still a sithlord living (we dont know if the emperor is one yet), one that killed Luke's father, and luke will want revenge. And he knows where the rebels are in Yavin. They are not safe.

The Emperor is alive, with his whole fleet and starsistems (maybe few without the DS will be brave enough to grow independent, but not many).

That TPM was made the 4th movie in a series, it still doesnt have to mean it is whole open ended.

This happens because SW and TPM have paralelistic plots. It may not have been the idea of Lucas to make it narrow ended, since it was clear there were 2 more chapter to be made, but it happened that way.

Laugh, but this is what i think, and not without thinking it.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Open window: There is still a sithlord living (we dont know if the emperor is one yet),

No we don't, there is nothing in the actual film Star Wars (1977) that mentions the Sith ot Sith Lords.

We only know a young apprentice of Ben was seduced by the Dark Side.

one that killed Luke's father, and luke will want revenge.

We know Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's Father, we do not know he wants revenge. (oh wait, Vader did not betray and murder Luke's Father, he IS Luke's father.)

TPM is not luke SW at all, it's pretty much part 1 of a 3 (or 6) part story.

It leaves us with major questions about the traing of Anakin, the hold of Palpatine over the Senate, the mystery of the Sith.

Actually not enough happens in TPM, the only thing of consequence that film has is to introduce Anakin to Obi-wan and get him of Tatooine.

Laugh, but this is what i think, and not without thinking it.

Your thoughts betray you, I feel the good in you...the conflict.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

No we don't, there is nothing in the actual film Star Wars (1977) that mentions the Sith ot Sith Lords.

We only know a young apprentice of Ben was seduced by the Dark Side.

Whatever he was, he is still alive (and in the novel Sith Lord is mentioned)

We know Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's Father, we do not know he wants revenge. (oh wait, Vader did not betray and murder Luke's Father, he IS Luke's father.)

OK about revenge (but Vader also killed ben BTW), but there is no mention or suggestion in the movie that Vader is Anakin

It leaves us with major questions about the traing of Anakin, the hold of Palpatine over the Senate, the mystery of the Sith.

Actually not enough happens in TPM, the only thing of consequence that film has is to introduce Anakin to Obi-wan and get him of Tatooine.

SW leaves us major questions as the training of Luke, the real hold of the Emperor over the Galaxy. The only thing of consecuence in that movie is Obi wan getting luke of Tatooine, and the destruction of a dangerous battle station.

The mystery of the Sith is solved in TPM. They acknoledge there are sith out there (Yoda and Windu in the end). When they say about the 'mystery of the sith', is because there is a force user that attacked Qui gon and it was suggested it could be a sith. Qui gon goes to naboo to lure the supposed sith.

And TPM's Palpatine seems to be a decent person, and many people even didnt know he was sidious, even knowing he was Ian Mcdiarmid, so think if it was the 1st SW movie aired) And there are very little hints of it in the movie.

And in TPM by defeating the Trade Federation, a greater war seems to be averted, and a world liberated.

Your thoughts betray you, I feel the good in you...the conflict.

The is NO conflict!