Finally Saw ROTS

[Dean1700 4]

I know I'm a bit behind in seeing this but all the hype about this film almost killed it for me. Certainly this film is by far the largest in so much as scale goes and is definitely the best of the prequals. I thought seeing Palpatine sporting a sabre and doing a jedi "waltz" was pretty flash. His and Yoda's fight really kicked ass. But the fight between Obi Wan and Anakin was the creme de la creme. It was what the prequals were building up to from the beginning of TPM since it was what everyone was waiting for and I wasn't disappointed.

I did leave the theatre with some questions though and some disappointments as well.

Why has Captain Antilles and Captain Colton remained at the same rank for 20 year plus?

It was good to see that Captain Colton made an appearance and played by Jeremy (Boba Fett) Bullock too (In the novelisation of Star Wars C-3PO says their last master was Capt Colton).

Why was there no scene with Anakin and Padme where Anakin senses (only one of the twins) a boy and says that when he is older he will give him his lightsabre and teach him about the force? This would have made the scene in Ben's home where he pulls Anakin's sabre from his trunk more relevent.

And why did Obi Wan not kill Anakin out of mercy when he caught on fire?

Also Padme's death scene was surely one of the worst death scenes I have seen. I would have also liked to have seen Bail Organa's wife crying with the baby in her arms since what Leia remembers of her "mother" is that she was sad. And also Owen admonishing Obi Wan for bringing Luke to them, leaving them with so heavy a burden. This also sets up Owen's dislike for Ben.

I thought the climax of two sabre battles between Palpatine/Yoda and Obi Wan and Anakin should not have been intercut together as I thought it detracted from the Anakin/Obi Wan duel. There was one moment where I think the editor could have done a better job and this is where Padme is going into her death throws. This occurs after Vader himself crys in agony which then cuts to Padme's scream. It might have been better if Padme had screamed first with Vader sensing this and cries in agony immediately afterwards.

Lastly I think it would have been good to see Vader turn away from watching the Death Star construction in the same way he does (hands behind his back and head slightly bowed) when he watches the Millennium Falcon escaping at the end of TESB. This would infer that he doesn't care about the Death Star since he is still dwelling on the loss of Padme.

These are just my thoughts anyway. But overall a hell of a film. Good stuff.

BTW why the hell didn't GL kill off JJB?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Why was there no scene with Anakin and Padme where Anakin senses (only one of the twins) a boy and says that when he is older he will give him his lightsabre and teach him about the force? This would have made the scene in Ben's home where he pulls Anakin's sabre from his trunk more relevent.

Because Lucas forgets little details like that, making his 6 film saga feel...inconsistant.

And why did Obi Wan not kill Anakin out of mercy when he caught on fire?

Because...there would be no darth Vader.

[Dean1700 4]

Naturally I know that had Obi Wan killed anakin out of mercy the story may have finished there. Maybe GL should have had Obi Wan about to do this but gets interrupted by some imperial droids coming to Anakin's aid. Sounds plausible to me.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

The less imperial droids in these films the better, i think.

[Dean1700 4]

Okay. Clones then. Just for you, Stef.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I think it has been well establishe that it is Steef, not Stef.

BTW why the hell didn't GL kill off JJB?

You want GL to kill your avatar?

[Dean1700 4]

Sure why not. Thats why I chose it. Because I know everyone hates JJB and I am surprised that no one else has said anything yet. LOL

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I've always been wondering why a guy named jedimaster has a Dung-an for an avatar.

[Dean1700 4]

Because a true Jedi doesn't kill just because he doesn't like the look of a particular life form. I'll leave that up to the likes of you, Darth Stefancos, you evil doer.

[Henry B 49]

Why was there no scene with Anakin and Padme where Anakin senses (only one of the twins) a boy and says that when he is older he will give him his lightsabre and teach him about the force? This would have made the scene in Ben's home where he pulls Anakin's sabre from his trunk more relevent.

It makes no sense that Anakin would only sense the boy. Is Leia a blind spot in the Force? And sure, Anakin could have talked about passing his lightsaber to his son, but why with Padme?

I would have also liked to have seen Bail Organa's wife crying with the baby in her arms since what Leia remembers of her "mother" is that she was sad.

Crying, why? "Sad" doesn't mean crying for no reason. There are intricacies to emotions: angry doesn't mean saying "Grrrrrr!" and happy doesn't mean jumping up and shouting for joy. From the one shot on Alderaan, we know nothing about Bail Organa's wife.

And also Owen admonishing Obi Wan for bringing Luke to them, leaving them with so heavy a burden. This also sets up Owen's dislike for Ben.

Yeah. But imagine the final music cue being interrupted by that dialogue.

There was one moment where I think the editor could have done a better job and this is where Padme is going into her death throws. This occurs after Vader himself crys in agony which then cuts to Padme's scream. It might have been better if Padme had screamed first with Vader sensing this and cries in agony immediately afterwards.

Lastly I think it would have been good to see Vader turn away from watching the Death Star construction in the same way he does (hands behind his back and head slightly bowed) when he watches the Millennium Falcon escaping at the end of TESB. This would infer that he doesn't care about the Death Star since he is still dwelling on the loss of Padme.

All this emphasis on Padme... are you forgetting that Revenge of the Sith catalogues Anakin's fall to the DARK side? The bleakest of all the episodes should not end with a reminder that Vader still has goodness in his heart (though, unfortunately, it does, thanks to Padme's line).

BTW why the hell didn't GL kill off JJB?

By having Jar Jar killed, he would have lost any remaining credibility as a dramatist. Think about it: if Jar Jar's death is portrayed tragically, then it comes off as hilarious, because everyone hates Jar Jar. If his death is portrayed as comedy, then it shows that Lucas won't hesitate to bump off a major character for a cheap laugh.

[gkgyver 1,638]

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[Dean1700 4]

Remember, Vader only knew of Luke until their final encounter in the Emperors throne room and only after Luke himself found out he had a sister. If he knew Luke was his son in TESB why then didn't he know about Leia?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

He probably guessed Luke was his son after learning his last name and the planet he was brought up on.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

The real question is, why did it take Vader some 18 years to realize this.....

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Why has Captain Antilles and Captain Colton remained at the same rank for 20 year plus?

It was good to see that Captain Colton made an appearance and played by Jeremy (Boba Fett) Bullock too (In the novelisation of Star Wars C-3PO says their last master was Capt Colton).

They are the captains of the ship. They dont even have to be military. See Captain Han Solo of the Millennium Falcon.

As much as I would have hated it, by giving Jar Jar one or two lines, just like in AotC, Lucas would have kept at least his dignity, showing that he's consequent with his vision, no matter how ugly it may become for the viewer.

Jar jar says 'excuse me' in ROTS.

[gkgyver 1,638]

lol Yeah, how could I forget that "line"?

Remember, Vader only knew of Luke until their final encounter in the Emperors throne room and only after Luke himself found out he had a sister. If he knew Luke was his son in TESB why then didn't he know about Leia?

Who says he didn't?

Your post only serves to further reveal the series of crippling inconsistencies George Lucas created with the prequels, by raising even more questions (and this isn't meant to attack you, jedimaster).

And by the way, I don't think killing off Jar Jar in a slapstick way would feel wrong, since he never was a serious character. It wouldn't feel any "wronger" than saving a whole planet by a slapstick moment (see Episode I) ...

And I don't think Jar Jar is exactly what you call a "major character".

[Henry B 49]

And letting him not appear at all shows that Lucas fully knows that Mr. Binks is a pure waste of good celluloid.

As much as I would have hated it, by giving Jar Jar one or two lines, just like in AotC, Lucas would have kept at least his dignity, showing that he's consequent with his vision, no matter how ugly it may become for the viewer.

But now, it looks like "no one likes him, so throw him out, doesn't matter anymore".

Yeah, that was bad. But killing Jar Jar would have been even worse.

Because she's his frickin' WIFE ?? It would explain the aforementioned scene with Luke and Ben and it would also be a nice emotional scene between Padme and Anakin. Imagine how Anakin tells Padme to give his lightsabe to his son, in case he won't survive this war.

If Anakin tells this to his wife, how does Obi-Wan find out to pass it on to Luke in Wars?

I'm sorry, does he still have some?

A little. Obi-Wan was marvellous on the Mustafar landing platform.

And by the way, I don't think killing off Jar Jar in a slapstick way would feel wrong, since he never was a serious character. It wouldn't feel any "wronger" than saving a whole planet by a slapstick moment (see Episode I) ...

And I don't think Jar Jar is exactly what you call a "major character".

Yeah, he was a major character in TPM. Look, it's no different than abruptly killing Threepio in Jedi. Hey, everyone hates him, it's about time he got what he deserved, right?

[King Mark 2,924]

This thread makes me feel like seeing RotS again one last time in the theatre

K.M.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Do it!

hehe

[Lurker 5]

This thread makes me feel like seeing RotS again one last time in the theatre

Masochist!

Neil

[gkgyver 1,638]

A little. Obi-Wan was marvellous on the Mustafar landing platform.

Given what he was forced to say, yes, he was ... " ... to D E M O C R A C Y !"

*Audience: gee, I wonder, maybe Lucas wanted to imply something here?"

[jamesie 1]

I forced my dad into going to Star Wars with me last night... He always said it looked "too far out there" and kinda dumb. Well, he gave it a shot simply because he gave Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter a shot and liked them a lot. Well he hated RotS... ... So we got up and left 30 minutes into it and walked down to Bewitched. We BOTH hated that.

[StrongBad992648 0]

I'm sorry, but I just can't understand people paying 9 dollars, and then leaving the theater 30 minutes into it. It always seemed sort of dumb to me.

I mean...you've spent the money...is it that much of an "insult" to your taste to just sit it out and see if it gets better? I mean...even if it doesn't, why not just watch it? Not every movie people see has to be good.

(BTW, that's not an insult to you...just letting off steam about it. Sorry.)

[gkgyver 1,638]

Yes, it really annoys me too when people walk out in the middle of a movie. I certainly understand why you left ROTS, though. As much as I appreciate it when a director tries to capture the audience and make them interested in the film by opening with a fun scene (Bond, LotR for instance), a 30 minute sequence that tells us nothing we didn't know before and that's so full of superficial, bland, and sometimes embarassing stuff can certainly bore you out of the theatre.

A problem with ROTS is that it's so unbalanced. You have a 30 minutes OPENER (sorry, I still don't believe it), then an hour of slooow, dry "plot" and "character" "development", an occasional death here and there, and then you got an hour of relentless duelling.

[AC1 3,565]

As much as I appreciate it when a director tries to capture the audience and make them interested in the film by opening with a fun scene (Bond, LotR for instance), a 30 minute sequence that tells us nothing we didn't know before and that's so full of superficial, bland, and sometimes embarassing stuff can certainly bore you out of the theatre.

And yet it's a masterpiece compared to Return Of The Jedi.

[Lurker 5]

And yet it's a masterpiece compared to Return Of The Jedi.

Alex, don't kid yourself. They are both junk.

Neil

[AC1 3,565]

It was a trap, laid out for you.

[AC1 3,565]

And to throw some more oil on the fire, here are the the results of Tomatoes:

War of the Worlds: 73%

Revenge of the Sith: 82%

[gkgyver 1,638]

"The shroud of the dark side has fallen"

I can enjoy Return Of The Jedi more than ROTS. Agreed, the openers to both movies are rubbish, but Return of the Jedi has its moments. ROTS has just one, and that's the first ... minute of anakin Vs Obi- Wan.

[AC1 3,565]

"The shroud of the dark side has fallen"

I can enjoy Return Of The Jedi more than ROTS. Agreed, the openers to both movies are rubbish, but Return of the Jedi has its moments. ROTS has just one, and that's the first ... minute of anakin Vs Obi- Wan.

The last time I saw ROTJ, which was a few days ago, I was looking for those moments. They were gone.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

If Neil didnt left the theater when seeing ROTS, and he did not paid a dollar, nobody should

[gkgyver 1,638]

The last time I saw ROTJ, which was a few days ago, I was looking for those moments. They were gone.

Maybe another thing the two have in common

[AC1 3,565]

The last time I saw ROTJ, which was a few days ago, I was looking for those moments. They were gone.

Maybe another thing the two have in common

Nah, ROTS has lesser embarrassing lows than ROTJ.

[JoeinAR 1,759]

I don't know about that, that whole first hour was as embarrassingly bad as films can get.

[AC1 3,565]

Then you haven't seen ROTJ yet.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

ROTJ is great entertainment.

ROTS is acceptable entertainment at best.

That's the way it is Alex.

[Trumpeteer 243]

If given the choice of watching "Return of the Jedi" in a meat locker equipped with only a wooden bench and lima beans for snacks or watching "Revenge of the Sith" in a plush, DTS-equipped stadium-seating theater where they never let your bag of popcorn go empty or your cup of soda get flat....

I'd still choose "Return of the Jedi."

[Lurker 5]

If given the choice of watching "Return of the Jedi" in a meat locker equipped with only a wooden bench and lima beans for snacks or watching "Revenge of the Sith" in a plush, DTS-equipped stadium-seating theater where they never let your bag of popcorn go empty or your cup of soda get flat....

I'd still choose "Return of the Jedi."

I'd choose the firing squad.

Neil

[AC1 3,565]

ROTJ is great entertainment.

You call that "great"?! Oh boy! You really don't have a clue, don't you? Even the lighting is so poorly executed throughout the whole damn picture that it's laughable, just like everything else in this "film". The Star Wars Holiday Special kept popping into my mind. It's one big hoax. Stefancos, you poor child, detach yourself from your childhood, for it's based on phoney garbage. No wonder you turned out the way you have.

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Alex Cremers - just kidding, of course (about Stefancos, not about ROTJ)

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Go watch an Ingmar Bergman film!

[AC1 3,565]

Go watch an Ingmar Bergman film!

Funny that you should mention it, I've never seen a Bergman movie, but lately I've been thinking of renting one.

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Alex Cremers

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Geez, you are not even a decent film elitist....

[AC1 3,565]

Nah, I actually just proved that I'm not as artsy fartsy as you think I am.

I know we all have our faults, Stefancos, but at least I'm open to movies other than the usual summer box office garbage. You, on the other hand, don't seem to go forward or backwards. There's never any progress with you. Like you're parked between two cars and you can't get out. The strange thing is that you don't seem to mind that you're stuck. The street is filled with restaurants and yet you prefer to eat from the garbage can.

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Alex Cremers

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Nah, I actually just proved that I'm not as artsy fartsy as you think I am.

Yeah, continual dissapointment.

I know we all have our faults, Stefancos, but at least I'm open to movies other than the usual summer box office garbage.

And you suggest that i am not?

You, on the other hand, don't seem to go forward or backwards. There's never any progress with you. Like you're parked between two cars and you can't get out. The strange thing is that you don't seem to mind that you're stuck. The street is filled with restaurants and yet you prefer to eat from the garbage can.

The fact that this is the 15th time you have made such a statement about me also suggests that i'm not the only one who's suffering a lack of progress.

As for development, i'm it won't be long till your 7 year old is more able to discriminate between what the critics and RottenTomatoes.com consider a bad film, and what really is a bad film.

So i'll be happy to take up the issue with him later on.

[JoeinAR 1,759]

The street is filled with restaurants and yet you prefer to eat from the garbage can.  

thats a rather elitist position, if I didn't know better I'd think Alex was a film snob, whose fast becoming the Andre Lux of this site.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Yeah, but Andre has a pottymouth.

[JoeinAR 1,759]

I'm sure outside of this site others here have pottymouths too, I only had one a MF, which considering the initials seemed appropriate. At my sports site, colorful metaphors are expressly forbidden.

[AC1 3,565]

Hey Joe, how's your steak tasting TODAY?

[JoeinAR 1,759]

haven't eaten steak today thanks, but I did have some hash browns and some bacon, and an RC cola, got it out of the dumpster.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I'm havin' bacon to-nite!

[Lurker 5]

I love RC Cola. I wish I could find it around here more often.

Neil