The "Proper" Trilogy Scores

[robthehand 3]

Based on several topics I've read, it seems everyone has done this except me.

Can someone give me details of how to arrange the trilogy scores with the correct takes (from the Anthology etc.) and also which tracks I should split up (like "The Emperor Arrives" and "The Death of Yoda").

Thanks,

Rob

[Lurker 5]

Can someone give me details of how to arrange the trilogy scores with the correct takes (from the Anthology etc.)

Star Wars is the only album on the Anthology to use incorrect takes and bad edits. There is no need to use that album for anything. The SE edition of Star Wars has better sound and is correctly assembled and mixed in everyway.

Neil

[robthehand 3]

That's not the impression I got from this thread. Anyway, I was talking more about tracks being erroneously joined together, like the example I gave.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Why need to split up Emperor arrives and Death of Yoda?

The two cues are chronologically right...

I think you mean which cues from ESB are stereo reversed and what cues should you use for ROTJ since the SE has worse sound than the Anthology, right?

Well, for ROTJ use all from the anthology (remember tha 4th disc has ROTJ cues too, specially the film version of Funeral pyre and Ewok Celebration)

[Lurker 5]

Rob, when it comes to the score to Star Wars, you can trust what I have to say about it. I'm not talking about Empire or Jedi at all.

Neil

[robthehand 3]

So the SEs got all the right takes - it was anthology that got them wrong.

Is that right?

[Henry B 49]

Yes. The only editing I did to Star Wars was to switch "The Millennium Falcon-Imperial Cruiser Pursuit" to the end of Disc 1 (better musical flow, no?). Then I split the "Main Title" takes from "Binary Sunset (Alternative)." I suppose some day I'll add the concert versions - "Here They Come" and "Throne Room" - from the Skywalker Symphony album (or whichever is best?).

[robthehand 3]

Yes. The only editing I did to Star Wars was to switch "The Millennium Falcon-Imperial Cruiser Pursuit" to the end of Disc 1 (better musical flow, no?). Then I split the "Main Title" takes from "Binary Sunset (Alternative)." I suppose some day I'll add the concert versions - "Here They Come" and "Throne Room" - from the Skywalker Symphony album (or whichever is best?).

Forgive my lack of knowledge about such things :oops: - but did you put "The Millennium Falcon-Imperial Cruiser Pursuit" after "Cantina Band #2" or before, and leave the cantina band tracks at the end?

Are there any similar changes or things to add to the other two albums?

[Henry B 49]

I put it after the Cantina bands. Source music is usually placed at the end of the disc, however, when it comes to the SEs. I've put the Star Wars and Jedi source music in order, instead.

There are a ton of things to do with the other albums. For starters, replace all the remixed Empire cues with their Anthology counterparts. Then separate "The Imperial Probe" from "The Executor" and place it at the end of the disc as an alternate. Separate the alternate version of "Carbon Freeze." Add the concert versions of "Asteroid Field" and "Han Solo and the Princess" (these are not available as original recordings).

Jedi takes a lot of work. Basically, replace everything SE with Anthology. Every single cue sounds better on the Anthology. Add "Lapti Nek" from the Anthology. The alternate cues like "Leia's News" from the Anthology. And finally, the concert version of "Jabba the Hutt."

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

There's also the two version of the Yub Nub song.

[Henry B 49]

Plus the orchestral version of it (I have not heard this).

[Lurker 5]

There are a ton of things to do with the other albums. For starters, replace all the remixed Empire cues with their Anthology counterparts.

Keep in mind, several of the Anthology Empire cues have the stereo channels reversed.

Neil

[Henry B 49]

"Leia's Instruction" and "Departure of Boba Fett," yes. The cue sheet Jim Ware posted is an excellent resource.

[robthehand 3]

Two things -

On what CD is the concert version of "Han Solo and the Princess"? And also Jim Ware's link doesn't seem to work.

[robthehand 3]

So is this correct for Return of the Jedi?

CD 1

1. Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare

2. Main Title / Approaching the Death Star / Tatooine Rendezvous

3. Jabba’s Baroque Recital

4. The Droids are Captured

5. Jedi Rocks

6. Han Solo Returns

7. Luke Confronts Jabba / Den of the Rancor / Sarlacc Sentence

8. The Pit of Carkoon / Sail Barge Assault

9. The Emperor Arrives / The Death of Yoda / Obi-Wan’s Revelation

10. Alliance Assembly

11. Shuttle Tydirium Approaches Endor

12. Speeder Bike Chase / Land of the Ewoks

13. Ewok Feast

14. The Levitation / Threepio’s Bedtime Story

15. Part of the Tribe

16. Lapti Nek (alternate)

17. Sail Barge Assault (alternate)

18. Jabba the Hutt (concert version)

CD 2

1. Parade of the Ewoks

2. Luke and Leia

3. Brother and Sister / Father and Son / The Fleet Enters Hyperspace / Heroic Ewok

4. The Emperor’s Throne Room

5. The Battle of Endor

6. The Lightsaber / Ewok Battle

7. Leia is Wounded / The Duel Begins / Overtaking the Bunker / The Dark Side Beckons / The Emperor’s Death

8. Superstructure Chase / Darth Vader’s Death / The Main Reactor

9. Leia’s News / Light of the Force

10. Victory Celebration / End Title

11. Ewok Celebration (alternate)

12. The Forest Battle (concert suite)

[fommes 126]

On what CD is the concert version of "Han Solo and the Princess"?

The excellent Charles Gerhardt rerecording on Varese.

[robthehand 3]

Can you give me an Amazon link or something - I can't find it! :roll:

[fommes 126]

http://www.varesesarabande.com/details.asp...?pid=VSD%2D5353

[Jim Ware 428]

So is this correct for Return of the Jedi?

Yes, with the exception of:

7. Luke Confronts Jabba / Den of the Rancor / Sarlacc Sentence

The section from 1:26 to 2:06 is an alternate version of Han Solo Returns (2:46-3:26), titled Jabba More Sinister.

6. The Lightsaber / Ewok Battle

The first 0:46 of this cue is a composite of two inserts for The Emperor Arrives. The first replaces the very opening of the cue, the second replaces a later section of the cue (as the Emperor descends the shuttle ramp IIRC).

[fommes 126]

Weren't there two versions of Ewok Celebration on the Anthology? Or am I mistaken?

The first 0:46 of this cue is a composite of two inserts for The Emperor Arrives. The first replaces the very opening of the cue, the second replaces a later section of the cue (as the Emperor descends the shuttle ramp IIRC).

So, basically, if I understand you well, you can make an 'Alternate' Emperor Arrives by replacing the original sections by the two inserts?

[Jim Ware 428]

Weren't there two versions of Ewok Celebration on the Anthology? Or am I mistaken?

Yes. The album version, which has yipping and whooping Ewoks, coupled with the Jedi End Credits on disc three. The film version is on disc four, coupled with the film version of the Empire End Credits.

So, basically, if I understand you well, you can make an 'Alternate' Emperor Arrives by replacing the original sections by the two inserts?

Yes. Listen to the version that ended up in the film to give an idea of where they should go (ignore the very end of the film version. It's tracked from another cue).

[tjguitar 0]

The film version of ewok celebration is so much better than the album version (or victory celebration)

[Henry B 49]

The section from 1:26 to 2:06 is an alternate version of Han Solo Returns (2:46-3:26), titled Jabba More Sinister.

Oh really? Thanks, I didn't know that... so there are two alternates of "At the Court of Jabba the Hutt"! Though one is a direct quote from the concert version of "Jabba the Hutt." Do you know if just that section was recorded, or if it is an excerpt from a full, unreleased recording?

There a couple things to add to your Jedi CD which aren't available as original recordings. The aforementioned "Jabba the Hutt," and "Parade of the Ewoks" (with an added beginning fanfare). I have both of these on a Boston Pops CD, but no doubt Gerhardt's is better. I have heard there is an orchestral version of "Ewok Celebration," too. Anyone know where to find that?

Also... I tried working on ESB today, replacing the SE cues with Anthology cues. Couldn't do it. The SE has a bad mix and hiss noise, but it is spectacularly clearer than the Anthology. I don't think the tradeoff is worth it.

And does anyone have a list of the concert music for Star Wars unavailable on the original recordings? I know of "Here They Come!" ("TIE Fighter Attack"), "Throne Room," and the orchestral "Cantina Band." Anything else?

[Demodex 479]

Keep in mind, several of the Anthology Empire cues have the stereo channels reversed.

How do people even notice this shit? Or care about it?

[robthehand 3]

EDIT: See next post.

[robthehand 3]

So, this is what I've worked out so far for the whole trilogy:

A NEW HOPE

CD 1

1. Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare

SE 1-01

2. Main Title / Rebel Blockade Runner

SE 1-02

3. Imperial Attack

SE 1-03

4. Dune Sea of Tatooine / Jawa Sandcrawler

SE 1-04

5. The Moisture Farm

SE 1-05

6. Hologram / Binary Sunset

SE 1-06

7. Landspeeder Search / Attack of the Sand People

SE 1-07

8. Tales of a Jedi Knight / Learn About The Force

SE 1-08

9. Burning Homestead

SE 1-09

10. Mos Eisley Spaceport

SE 1-10

11. Cantina Band

SE 1-11

12. Cantina Band #2

SE 1-12

13. The Millennium Falcon / Imperial Cruiser Pursuit

SE 2-02

14. Binary Sunset (alternative)

SE 1-13 (0:00-2:03)

15. Star Wars Main Title (alternative takes)

SE 1-13 (5:00-End)

CD 2

1. Princess Leia’s Theme

SE 2-01

2. Destruction of Alderaan

SE 2-03

3. The Death Star / The Stormtroopers

SE 2-04

4. Wookiee Prisoner / Detention Block Ambush

SE 2-05

5. Shootout in the Cell Bay / Dianoga

SE 2-06

6. The Trash Compactor

SE 2-07

7. The Tractor Beam / Chasm Crossfire

SE 2-08

8. Ben Kenobi’s Death / Tie Fighter Attack

SE 2-09

9. The Battle of Yavin

SE 2-10

10. The Throne Room / End Title

SE 2-11

11. “Here They Come” (Concert Version)

Skywalker Symphony CD Track 10

12. “Throne Room Finale” (Concert Version)

Skywalker Symphony CD Track 13

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

CD 1

1. Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare

Anthology 2-01

2. Main Title / The Ice Planet Hoth

Anthology 2-02 (0:00-2:28)

+ SE 1-02 (2:28-2:47)

+ Anthology 2-02 2:34-End]

3. The Wampa’s Lair / Vision of Obi-Wan / Snow Speeders Take Flight

SE 1-03

4. Aboard The Executor

SE 1-04 (1:14-End)

5. Drawing the Battle Lines / Leia’s Instructions

SE 1-05 (0:00-4:00)

+ Anthology 4-06 (3:58-End for last chord)

6. Battle in the Snow / Luke’s First Crash / The Rebels Escape Again

Anthology 2-06

+ 2-07

+ 2-08 – not sure where the missing bar is here, will insert it from the SE

7. The Asteroid Field

Anthology 2-09

8. Arrival on Dagobah

SE 1-07

9. Luke’s Nocturnal Visitor

Anthology 2-12 (0:44-End)

10. Han Solo and the Princess

Anthology 2-11

11. Jedi Master Revealed / Mynock Cave

Anthology 2-15 (0:00-2:03)

+ SE 1-10 (2:04-End – using this for the last chord of Jedi Master Revealed)

12. The Training of a Jedi Knight / The Magic Tree

Anthology 2-12 (0:00-0:34)

+ SE 2-11 (0:33-1:40)

+ Anthology 2-13

13. Han Solo and the Princess - Concert Version (Gerhardt Re-recording)

14. The Asteroid Field - Concert Version (Skywalker Symphony CD Track 7)

CD 2

1. The Imperial March (Darth Vader’s Theme)

Anthology 2-05

2. Yoda’s Theme

Anthology 2-10

3. Attacking a Star Destroyer

SE 2-03

4. Yoda and the Force

Anthology 2-14

5. Imperial Star Fleet Deployed / City in the Clouds

SE 2-05 (0:00-1:15)

+ Anthology 2-15 (2:04-End)

6. Lando’s Palace

Anthology 2-16

7. Betrayal at Bespin

SE 2-07

8. Deal with the Dark Lord

SE 2-08

9. Carbon Freeze / Darth Vader’s Trap / Departure of Boba Fett

OK I’m totally stuck on this one. Any help?

10. The Duel

Anthology 2-17

11. Losing a Hand

SE 2-11 (0:00-5:05)

+ Anthology 4-18 (5:06-End)

12. Hyperspace

Anthology 2-18

13. The Rebel Fleet/End Title

Anthology 2-19

14. Carbon Freeze (alternate)I presume this comes from somewhere in SE 2-09, any help?

RETURN OF THE JEDI

I haven’t tried this one yet, but I have a sinking suspicion that it won’t fit on 2 CDs.

CD 1

1. Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare

Anthology 3-01

2. Main Title / Approaching the Death Star / Tatooine Rendezvous

Anthology 3-02

+ SE 1-02 5:43-End

3. Jabba’s Baroque Recital

SE 1-13

4. The Droids are Captured

SE 1-03

5. Lapti Nek

Anthology 4-11

6. Bounty for a Wookiee

SE 1-04

7. Han Solo Returns

Anthology 3-03

8. Luke Confronts Jabba / Den of the Rancor / Sarlaac Sentence

SE 1-06 (0:00-1:26)

+ SE 1-06 (2:06-3:14)

+ Anthology 3-04

+ SE 1-06 (6:43-End)

9. The Pit of Carkoon / Sail Barge Assault

SE 1-07 (0:00-0:58)

+ Anthology 3-05

10. The Emperor Arrives / The Death of Yoda / Obi-Wan’s Revelation

Anthology 3-06

+ Anthology 3-07

+ SE 1-08 (8:04-End)

11. Alliance Assembly

SE 1-09

12. Shuttle Tydirium Approaches Endor

SE 1-10

13. Speeder Bike Chase / Land of the Ewoks

SE 1-11

14. Ewok Feast

SE 2-11 (0:00-2:25)

15. The Leviation / Threepio’s Bedtime Story

SE 1-12

16. Part of the Tribe

SE 2-11 (2:25-End)

17. Jedi Rocks (alternate)

SE 1-14

18. Han Solo Returns (alternate)

Anthology 3-03 (0:00-2:45)

+ SE 2-06 (1:26-2:06)

+ Anthology 3-03 (3:28-End)

19. Sail Barge Assault (alternate)

Anthology 4-19

20. The Emperor Arrives (alternate)

+ SE 2-07 (0:00-??)

+ Anthology 3-06 (??)

+ SE 2-07 (??-0:46)

+ Anthology 3-06 (??)

+ SE 2-07 (??-2:04)

21. Jabba the Hutt (concert version)

Skywalker Symphony CD Track 11

CD 2

1. Parade of the Ewoks

Anthology 3-08

2. Luke and Leia

Anthology 3-09

3. Brother and Sister / Father and Son / The Fleet Enters Hyperspace / Heroic Ewok

SE 2-03

4. The Emperor’s Throne Room

Anthology 3-10

5. The Battle of Endor

Anthology 3-11

+ SE 2-05 (2:29-4:31)

+ Anthology 3-12

6. The Lightsaber / The Ewok Battle

SE 2-06 (0:46-End)

7. Leia is Wounded / The Duel Begins / Overtaking the Bunker / The Dark Side Beckons / The Emperor’s Death

SE 2-07 (0:00-3:49)

+ Anthology 3-14

+ Anthology 3-15

8. Leia’s News / Light of the Force

Anthology 3-18 (0:00-1:20)

+ Anthology 4-20 (1:19-End)

9. Ewok Celebration / End Title (alternate)

Anthology 3-19

10. Darth Vader’s Death (alternate)

SE 1-02 (5:16-5:43)

+ Anthology 16 (0:15-End)

11. Leia’s News / Light of the Force (alternate)

Anthology 4-20 (0:00-1:19)

+ Anthology 3-18 (1:20-End)

12. Ewok Celebration / End Title (film version)

Anthology 4-21

13. Victory Celebration / End Title

SE 2-10 (0:00-2:24)

14. The Forest Battle (Concert Suite)

Anthology 3-13

[robthehand 3]

One more thing - is "The Little People" from the Skywalker Symphony CD a concert version or just a straight re-recording?

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

If you are arranging for chronological order, i suggest to put themes and alternates in end disc 2.

In ROTJ, I would put the film ewok celebration and credits as the proper one, and the other two as alternates, specially Victory celebration can go perfectly without credits since they are sepparated, the alternate ewok is more difficult to isolate...

And put Lepti nek over Jedi rocks. You could even erase this track but if you like it, add it as alternate...

I have one question, if one wants to make a williams version, one should put the alternates or the film versions?

Binary sunset was so improved it is difficult to leave it out...

[Jim Ware 428]

Two responses here...

Oh really? Thanks, I didn't know that... so there are two alternates of "At the Court of Jabba the Hutt"! Though one is a direct quote from the concert version of "Jabba the Hutt." Do you know if just that section was recorded, or if it is an excerpt from a full, unreleased recording?

It was recorded as an insert. It can easily be cut with the SE track to create a complete cue.

4. Aboard The Executor

SE 1-04 (Second part – not sure where the edit it – any help?)

The edit is at 1:14.

9. Carbon Freeze / Darth Vader’s Trap / Departure of Boba Fett

OK I’m totally stuck on this one. Any help?

Compare the 'Carbon Freeze' portion of the SE with the anthology. That should make the alternate section quite clear, and give you an idea of how to cut it out (if you want).

11. Darth Vader’s Death (alternate)

SE 1-02 (5:16-5:43)

There is no alternate insert for 'Darth Vader's Death' in this track (or anywhere else on the SE).

13. Ewok Celebration / End Title (film version)

Anthology 4-21

You may want to use Anthology 3-19 to replace the Empire End Credits.

[robthehand 3]

The edit is at 1:14.

There is no alternate insert for 'Darth Vader's Death' in this track (or anywhere else on the SE).

I got that from the complete cue list on this site.

You may want to use Anthology 3-19 to replace the Empire End Credits.

Aren't the Empire end credits and these end credits different?

[robthehand 3]

OK, I made some updates? Any corrections now?

Also can someone explain to me about the alternate Darth Vader's Death listed in the complete cue list?

And also is "The Little People" from the Skywalker Symphony CD a concert version or a re-recording of the film's cue?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Also can someone explain to me about the alternate Darth Vader's Death listed in the complete cue list?

A mistake.

And also is "The Little People" from the Skywalker Symphony CD a concert version or a re-recording of the film's cue?

It's a rerecording of a concert version. (not a very good one)

[robthehand 3]

In that case what is the section from 5:16-5:43 supposed to be?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Of which cue? Vaders Death of The Little People?

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

This should answer your question.

[Henry B 49]

I have one question, if one wants to make a williams version, one should put the alternates or the film versions?

Binary sunset was so improved it is difficult to leave it out...

I was going to use all the original versions in chronological order... then I just decided to use my favorites. Here's a list of what I put in chronological order:

Binary Sunset (film version)

Imperial Probe (alternate; the one already in the SE track)

Lapti Nek

At the Court of Jabba the Hutt (SE version)

Sail Barge Assault (alternate)

The Emperor Arrives (original version)

Leia's News (Alternate)/Light of the Force (film version) - both rescorings here!

[fommes 126]

Star Wars is the only album on the Anthology to use incorrect takes and bad edits. There is no need to use that album for anything.

Neil, are there any incorrect takes worth as 'alternate' tracks?

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Also can someone explain to me about the alternate Darth Vader's Death listed in the complete cue list?

A mistake.

Michael Mattesino's mistake.

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

Michael Mattesino's mistake.

How so? It's not in the liner notes.

[Lurker 5]

Star Wars is the only album on the Anthology to use incorrect takes and bad edits. There is no need to use that album for anything.

Neil, are there any incorrect takes worth as 'alternate' tracks?

Not really. You'll hear some flubs and slight differences in performance, but it's really not enough to make a compelling bonus track.

Keep in mind, several of the Anthology Empire cues have the stereo channels reversed.

How do people even notice this shit? Or care about it?

Look who you're asking.

Neil

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Michael Mattesino's mistake.

How so? It's not in the liner notes.

I realized later.

Where in the hell is this? (Someone pointed it not long ago)

Was it an internet Mattesino's interview?

Is happier it is not an alternate mixed in.

[robthehand 3]

Are there any other errors in my lists? And can someone help me with track 6 in my Empire CD 1 please?

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

Where in the hell is this? (Someone pointed it not long ago).

It's on the cue list here on the site, and that would be me asking about it a few months ago.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Your fault then!

Really I didnt knew about it then, and now i thought it was even printed in the liner notes... (the alternate carbonn freeze is there RIGHT? o_0 ). It really didnt make much sense, since it sounded like Jabba/Luke music but if it was here i had to believe it...

[jeffreymr 0]

...and here I was, going to create new thread to ask the EXACTLY same thing. Now that I have the cue list to edit together a 'proper' version, I think I have some work to do in Audition!

Thanks from a n00b,

jeff

[robthehand 3]

I wouldn't count on my lists being correct by the way.

People always seem to change the subject when I ask for corrections...

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

Well, I just don't have the answers.

[robthehand 3]

Anyone know if there is a document like the one Jim Ware posted for either of the other two films?

[Henry B 49]

I saw a very in-depth cue list for Return of the Jedi, but I have no idea where it is.

You don't need one for Star Wars. First of all, there is nothing to edit, and second of all, it is in the back of your SE booklet.

[robthehand 3]

That's true - I just thought, since I was doing all the others, you know...

If you find that list for ROTJ, please let me know.