Incanus 5,714 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Sounds pretty normal to me.Normal and so very very irritating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I dont get estimated Times of arrivals even after days of the official release... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I wonder if we are gonna see this thing in stores here at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 No we'll probably fret ourselves to death before we get to see the box land to the stores. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I wonder if we are gonna see this thing in stores here at all.Internet will provide, if they are stupid enough.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I'm sure if you can't find it in stores you'll be able to get it at iTunes.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 I noticed one curious thing about the track titles Doug confirmed:CD 22 The Caverns Of Isengard 3 Give Up The Halfling4 Orthanc5. Rivendell What is Orthanc doing there? I imagine Give Up the Halfling covers Flight to the Ford but what is Orthanc doing in there after that? There is no cut to Isengard here in the movie. Very curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Film edits?Maybe Shore wrote the music following the book order, as oposed to some parts of the movies that are re-arranged for pleasantier purposes....But then... Shelob's lair should be in TTT.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 I forgot totally Gandalf's Orthanc flashback in Rivendell before the actual Rivendell cue. There was no problem at all. Fretting for nothing (as usual). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTennisBallKid 17 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 That's the flashback to Gandalf on top of Orthanc. ttbk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 I made much ado about nothing forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Give Up the Halfling is actually the Ford sequence. Remember, that is what the Witch-King says to Arwen there. Rivendell underscores Frodo and his fellow hobbits wandering around Rivendell and finding Bilbo etc. Orthanc fits right in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 My bad. I have not watched the FOTR for so long time. The Orthanc cue scores the scene after Frodo wakes up in Rivendell and Gandalf tells how he escaped the Isengard. How silly of me to forget. :oops: :oops: :oops: I did not remember at all. Sorry for stirring pointles worries. I have too much time in my hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 So what is your take on the track titles of the Box?Too short, uninspired or adequate and artistically pleasing?I say here first that I do not mind the shortness of the track titles or their names so much but I am against them out of pricipal.I would say Shore has come up with many weak track titles for a release of this magnitude. Many of them are uninspired and too short to describe the long sequences. I am not a fan of mile long track names that consist of movie cues bunched togehter and separated by a slash marks but more than names Orthanc and Fighting Uruk-hai should have been added to describe the tracks. E.g. Fighting Uruk-hai covers the whole sequence from Farewell to Lorien to the Argonath and sure there are Uruks in the scenes but that is not nearly enough to describe the content. Also how does he mark that the cue has been extended or contains unused music?I think track titles are a small problem since I know the score nearly by heart but for the sake of clearness and tradition cuetitles could have been more descriptive. Here is once again the fight between the long and meticilous track names versus artistically adequate cue names. The original release had track titles taken right out of the book but for the reasons of clarity Shore did not want to reuse them so that people would not think he was just recycling old tracks from the first release to the box with no change. So he ahd to make up new titles that are weaker in comparison. Shame. But as the release has been postponed to December 13th they probably tinker with the cue names (I surely hope so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 I don't... really care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 I care about the changed release date, but am fairly disinterested about the tracktitles.They are...tracktitles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 Dougjust yesterday informed about the release date change at FSM MB. Some legal/lawyery stuff had stalled it. One more reason to hate lawyers Yeah the track titles are not that important. I am not bothered so much but one of my friends argued with me about it for an hour last night. We had a stalemate somewhere between artistic and informative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 What if it has been delayed by a 'row' between Shore and Jackson? 0_oWell 6 days more of delay and it will be released on the movie's 4th annyversary.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 Doesn't seem likely.Bussiness is bussiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 I do not think there was any row between Jackson and Shore and even if there had been that should not have anything to do with the release of the complete scores. Although " leaving a project for creative differences" can mean anything from amiable parting from the project to an outright fight but I think they are such good friends they do not allow King Kong to wreck friendship. Peter has always expressed his deepest admiration for the man. I know this could all rhetoric from Jakson's part but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 I dont really know, but creative differences should be spoken about before recording the score. Hearing demos and things like that. Jackson must have liked something to let him record the score. Why not keep that music? Why not make shore re-score? Why not make a co-compostition, bringing JNH to make just the new cues? Shore's 'sacking' is strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 It is strange that Shore was ousted so suddenly at this point when he was already recording the score in New Zealand (or had already recorded much of it). Didn't Jackson communicate with Shore before hand or did the score turn in directions he just didn't like? Perhaps Shore's dark and brooding style didn't fit in the movie even though that was the thing that attracted Jackson to his music. It is not unheard of that score is rejected even at the last minute (Gabriel Yared's Troy is a good recent example) but Jackson/Shore collaboration seemed so strong.What ever the reason is it is a shame. I was waiting for this score alot. JNH is not a bad composer but still I would have preferred Shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Do you order the Boxed set from the net or wait for it to hit the stores near you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 I'll wait till I have any info about the release date in my country.But soundtrack's are becoming harder to find here (I looked everywere for WOTW without succes) so i'm expecting that getting it online will be faster.Not sure were i'm gonna order yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 I'll wait till I have any info about the release date in my country.But soundtrack's are becoming harder to find here (I looked everywere for WOTW without succes) so i'm expecting that getting it online will be faster.Not sure were i'm gonna order yet.WotW was not hard to find here in Finland (for once the score was released on the day it was announced to be released) but stores were once again totally unaware of it I practically had to go behind the counter in the store (Free recordshop BTW) and practically fetch it myself from the stock since it was not yet put on sale in the soundtrack section. They simply do not care for Soundtracks unless they contain the newest hit fron some hot artist. You must have a really bad situation when such "mainstream big budget release" like WotW is not found in local stores.I have no confirmation about the release dateof the BOX here in Finland since it is based even at one of our largest CD stores on the release date from CDON.com internetstore. Their upcoming releases lists do not yet reach to December I guess. One reason for this lack of information could be the jumping schedule of the BOX. The release date has been in flux though now it has settled on December 13th (lets hope it is not postponed any more).I think I also have to wait and see what will be the best place to buy it. Internet retailers have shipping times of 3 to 5 days on regular releases after the order has been processed and if I would order in advancefrom the net and the BOX would be released in stores while my shipment was on its way I would be so pissed off (I really can't wait that release any more than I absolutely have to. I am an impatient man ). I just keep asking our local stores for the box untill they know the release date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodwindmaster06 0 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 On amazon they have listed that the new FOTR 4 disc set is 53.99 and will be released Dec 13th that puts it at about 13.50 a cd, not too bad. I cannot wait for this release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 What is is with tha tmovie and December lol? Didn't all the movies come out that month too? or am I imagining that lol.I'm definately gettting it though... and $13.50 a cd isn't that bad eaither.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodwindmaster06 0 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 its the pre chistmas release which they hope to sell more at that time, I could care less as long as they release em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Is this the complete score for LOTR that we are talking about here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 This is the complete score for The Fellowship of the Ring, with 180 minutes of music over three discs. The fourth disc is a DVD with the entire score in 5.1 sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Amazing, but i don't have 5.1 surround speakers at home, which is pretty disapointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Yep not a bad price at all compared what the complete trilogy in one box would have cost (I think that the cost is the main reason the release was split in three). And the release date has been finalized as well. Great! The pushing back of the date from 22nd of November to 6th of December and once again to the 13th of December was due to some legal stuff I have heard (of course you cannot underestimate the Christmas market). There is still a long wait (for me it is intolerable month and a half )And my friend has 5.1 surround speakers! I pay him a visit as soon as I get the set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 $41.99 at http://www.cduniverse.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Whoa! It's £42.99 on Amazon UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Is that overpricing or what... at Amazon.com's price it should be about £30 Could well be cheaper to order from the US.Of course I'm getting it no matter what the price - I've been wanting all the music from these movies for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanP 3 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Any direct link in amazon? can't find it :SThks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Here is the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontyBurns 0 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Before you go and quickly order it, understand that the Amazon UK price is a direct currency translation of the advertised price at Amazon US. You will notice the UK listing for it is described as an "[iMPORT]".... The additional £12 no doubt makes up for tax & the import duty which I'd imagine Amazon cover on the buyer's behalf if you are selecting that purchase on the UK site. To the best of my knowledge Warner/Reprise have not yet bothered to announce a release date or price for anywhere outside of America at this moment in time.... I've tried various UK sources for information and none have any to give. Rather frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Yeah. There has not been any news of the release date here in Finland either. Very irritating. I wonder will it be late in Europe or Scandinavia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontyBurns 0 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Maybe now they final have some legal issues out of the way and have settled on that date of the 13th of December for the US they can go about announcing international dates for it. I did ask Doug Adams a while back if he knew anything and he didn't unfortunately, though of course noted we can import if we're left with no choice and it's fine to do so, but one has to take into account, for UK bound buyers at least, that the tax and import duty that will be added to the price when importing anything above £18 (I don’t know what the import duty free limit is for other European countries).Warner/Reprise have all of November to finally announce international plans, so hopefully we will hear something in due cues. For now I'd probably advise against ordering it on import at the moment until we know what's going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanP 3 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Here is the linkThks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 ...not bad price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I am not going to order from Amazon. It takes a month for the order to reach Finland (if ordered from the States that is) and European Amazon would take just about a week. It is just about the same with other online stores. I just wait to hear the release date here in Europe before making any decisions about where do I purchase it. The price on different online CD stores is not bad (little over 40 Euros is really cheap!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Here is the final track list (by Doug Adams' words) and as you can see there are few cosmetic changes:Disc One1 Prologue: One Ring to Rule Them All2 The Shire3 Bag End4 Very Old Friends5 Flaming Red Hair6 Farewell Dear Bilbo7 Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe8 A Conspiracy Unmasked9 Three Is Company10 The Passing of The Elves11 Saruman the White12 A Shortcut to Mushrooms13 Strider14 The NazgûlDisc Two1 Weathertop2 The Caverns of Isengard3 Give Up the Halfling4 Orthanc5. Rivendell6 The Sword That Was Broken7 The Council of Elrond Assembles Featuring “Aníron (Theme for Aragorn and Arwen)” Composed & performed by Enya8 The Great Eye9 Gilraen's Memorial10 The Pass of Caradhras11 The Doors of Durin12 Moria13 Gollum14 Balin's TombDisc Three1 Khazad-dûm2 Caras Galadhon Featuring “Lament for Gandalf” performed by Elizabeth Fraser3 The Mirror Of Galadriel4 The Fighting Uruk-hai5 Parth Galen6 The Departure Of Boromir7 The Road Goes Ever On… Pt. 18 May It Be Composed & performed by Enya9 The Road Goes Ever On… Pt. 2 Featuring “In Dreams” performed by Edrward RossThey still did not get rid of that "The Fighting Uruk-hai" title, though most of you do not even care about the track titles so that makes little difference to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Why didnt they use the book titles as possible? Its a nice touch...Concerning Hobbits was a great name for the cue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Why didnt they use the book titles as possible? Its a nice touch...Concerning Hobbits was a great name for the cue...The idea behind of not using chapter titles from the books or the already used titles is simply that Shore does not want people thinking he is just rereleasing the same track all over again with no expansion or anything. I know it is silly and robs away some of the good track titles of the original album like the Concerning Hobbits you mentioned and Great River and Farewell to Lorien (which was the name of the bonus track on TTT Collectors Edition soundtrack). Silly and needles if you ask me but the music is the most important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Probably because the OST cue already has that title and this is a different version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 That is correct but those names fit the new cues and extended cue very well. The Concerning Hobbits for example would have been very good for the "The Shire" cue as it underscores Bilbo's narration Concerning Hobbits and Gandalf's ride to Bag End. The Fighting Uruk-hai, which I have made such fuss about contains the Uruk-hai scenes sure but also Farewell to Lorien and THe Great River cues. both names have been used so to speak so Shore ahd to find a new name and" The Fighting Uruk-hai" is pretty lame both describing the cues and as a name for a track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTennisBallKid 17 Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 I don't really care about the track titles.I am disappointed to see In Dreams after May It Be though....ttbk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 I don't really care about the track titles.I am disappointed to see In Dreams after May It Be though....ttbkWhy on earth are you disappointed? That is the movie order of the tracks(I am just listening to the End Credits of the FOTR EE). First May it Be and then In Dreams. There should be no problem (unless is the question of personal preference and not movie/chronological order).And I do not think the Fan Credits made it to the release since they contain so little genuinely unreleased material (they cannot release every take of every track even if we wanted them to do it). That is sad. The order of the EE End Credits is: May it Be - In Dreams - Rivendell theme (Many Meetings alternate?) - Fellowship theme(no idea what version) - (Fan Credits begin) Concerning Hobbits (alternate) - The Black Rider (album version as far as I can tell except the ending is different) - Journey in the Dark (no idea what edit/version this is) which segues suddenly to the Bridge of Khazad Dum that stops short and goes to the track Great River (alternate) - Breaking of the Fellowship (alternate, beautiful variation - IMO should be released) Of all the Fan Credit material above mentioned Breaking of the Fellowship is truly the most significant. That atleast should be released (I know Iam repeating myself but I really liked it ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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