The Fellowship of the Ring COMPLETE RECORDINGS 3CD set

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

All this talk about delivery dates bores me.

Can't we talk about the Fanclub Credits not being included again?

[robthehand 3]

All this talk about delivery dates bores me.

Can't we talk about the Fanclub Credits not being included again?

Alright:

The alternates will probably be on a trilogy box set, released after we've bought all the single boxes.

I stand by that.

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

All this talk about delivery dates bores me.

Can't we talk about the Fanclub Credits not being included again?

No!

Let's talk about the 40 seconds that were edited out.

[Richard Penna 3,676]

1 - Rip them from the DVD and quit whining - I'm listening to it now

2 - robthehand - I'm sure the ever faithful Doug Adams said they would never do that to us.

PS, Yeah, from Amazon UK

[mstrox 6,647]

RichUK--Doug did imply, however, that there would be some sort of Unused Cuts release...my guess is with his book, but it could be packed in with a future Complete Recordings set or as a seperate entity. Either way, it'll be necessary.

I think it's the right move, though. Things like including alternates on the disc throw off the listening experience (see Binary Sunset--Alternate--with five takes of the main title). They can easily be programmed out of the listening experience, but why do that when they can be done seperately, as is the case here.

I sort of wish this thing were hacked into ninety thousand tracks, like the TPM: UE, because I want more thirty second samples. I'm dying here, and the world might end tomorrow. If it does, I'll be pissed.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I sort of wish this thing were hacked into ninety thousand tracks, like the TPM: UE, because I want more thirty second samples.  I'm dying here, and the world might end tomorrow.  If it does, I'll be pissed.

Pleeeaaasseee...nooooo.

That thing is impossible to get on your iPod.

[mstrox 6,647]

I sort of wish this thing were hacked into ninety thousand tracks, like the TPM: UE, because I want more thirty second samples.  I'm dying here, and the world might end tomorrow.  If it does, I'll be pissed.

Pleeeaaasseee...nooooo.

That thing is impossible to get on your iPod.

Don't I know it. I just merged the UE together yesterday with Goldwave, and it finally works. Really long tracks, though.

[Richard Penna 3,676]

Pleeeaaasseee...nooooo.

That thing is impossible to get on your iPod.

And even if I play it on the comp I have to switch plugins to play it 'gapless'

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

Is anyone looping the cut segments to make Shore's version?

[mstrox 6,647]

Is anyone looping the cut segments to make Shore's version?

I'm pretty sure, judging by the amount of say Howard Shore had in this release, that Shore's version is the unlooped one.

[Richard Penna 3,676]

Is anyone looping the cut segments to make Shore's version?

I'm not. I thought you were against a TPM style release in which all loops and cuts were there? The only thing I'd be against is if there was something like specific chord progression that made having everything intact important 'emotionally'.

I may eat my words on Monday, but I'll bet that no one's going to notice any differences without comparing it directly (Actually, I don't even have the FotR EE, I have the other 2 but my brother was first to get it and I just watch his when I'm home)

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

They said they had trimmed the repeats. Even if that whats shore composed.

I prefer Composer versions.

TPM is not that.

[Richard Penna 3,676]

Well I guess if they have edited out something at a biblical level, I might change it.

Bring this up in 2, maybe 3 days

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

They said they had trimmed the repeats. Even if that whats shore composed.

Why?

You have not even heard what they trimmed, so why do you already have an opinion about it?

For instance the music playing under the "birth" of the first Uruk-Hai is basically the percusion of the orc Theme over and over again for a minute or so.

I can live with them cutting it a little bit to make it less repetitive.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Well my order at play.com is now "Processing"....

Also, Soundtrack.net's review of the score is up.

Have I just been moderated?

[Marian Schedenig 8,179]

I'm pretty sure they only cut bars that are repeated countless of times and don't make sense without the visuals.

Marian - who does not intend to reedit them.

[Incanus 5,713]

Why are people so worried about the trimming of few repeated phrases to make the music more suitable for listening? It is not like Shore looped the tracks or spliced them carelessly together or edit them clumsily.

I trust Shore in this matter.

The Soundtrack.net article was intertesting and informative. Mike Brennan gave the Box only 4½ stars though.

[Richard Penna 3,676]

I trust Shore in this matter.

Me too 8O

36 hours to go

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Did Shore even produce this set?

[Richard Penna 3,676]

Well even if he didn't produce it, I'm sure he approved everything and had creative control over it - it's his 'big' project after all.

[Incanus 5,713]

Well even if he didn't produce it, I'm sure he approved everything and had creative control over it - it's his 'big' project after all.

That's right. And didn't Doug say Shore was actively part of the project? I do not know (yet ) whether Shore has producer credit but I would expect he has.

45 page liner notes! And I remember Doug saying he had to limit the amount of pages so it would not raise the cost of the set so there could have been even more pages I already knew Doug was not going to do a track-by-track analysis and I am fine with that. Finally we get accurate thematic analysis and can stop guessing the actual purpose of the themes introduced in the FOTR.

Approximately 3 days to go

You people living in UK are so lucky!

[Richard Penna 3,676]

Yup, I'll have it this time tomorrow (Royal Mail permitting)

Didn't realise the liners will be so long, 45 pages? I guess this ends the feud over the nature theme for good

And they can't even put the track times on the back of the box...

[MontyBurns 0]

And they can't even put the track times on the back of the box...

I hereby call for a boycott!

[mstrox 6,647]

That's right. And didn't Doug say Shore was actively part of the project?

Yes he did. I've been stalking that man's words for a year now. He's been the only thing that's kept me sane waiting for this release.

(Am I the only one who like Fellowship the best? It seems like it's everyone else's distant third-place).

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I do not have a definitive personal favorite.

The usually lower rate given to FOTR is mostly caused by some poor choices made for the OST CD I think.

Like have the Ringwraith chorus in no less then 4 tracks, thereby ignoring other more varied material.

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

I think i might enjoy disc one since its all hobbit music...

The nature theme... is that the music that plays with the moth?

Is that TTT? I thought it was Moth-Gwaihir to the rescue theme...

[MontyBurns 0]

The nature theme... is that the music that plays with the moth?  

Is that TTT?

Yes the bit with the moth in Fellowship. In Towers it returns during the march of the Ents (I forget if it appears anywhere else), and in King it appears a lot, though curiously a couple of times outside of it's common place 'nature' association as there's a version of it when Theoden and the army leave Edoras, then there's a hefty bombastic version of it which I just adore during Theoden's rallying speech (the "Deaaaath" bit) just prior to them charging on Pelennor... Of course it returns toward the end when the moth and the eagles appear.

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

Mmm then more than nature theme, by its 'misplaced' usage in ROTK, isnt is a 'reinforcements' theme?

I wanted it exclusive for the moth/eagles

[MontyBurns 0]

Well you could argue that everything being fought for is the battle for the preservation of nature and that its use is acceptable. The preservation of nature and the terrible thought of a ravaged countryside was of course a major point of the novel itself, and one I always felt was somewhat overlooked by Jackson more and more as each of the three films progressed. I've never felt Return of the King (film) hammered home that statement by the end of the book that all things must pass, and it's regrettable the film never had Treebeard's speech about this very matter, and the lack of an epilogue in many ways I think also steals this point away from the film series.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Please guys, this has been done to death.

It started out as a theme supposedly representing "nature" in FOTR and the early in TTT.

It then also because a theme signifying the "last stand" of both the Rohirrim and the Ents.

ROTK has 2 very powerfull renditions representing the Rohirrim as they (once again) ride out to a last stand.

If it would have just stasyed a nature theme we would not have had these 2 kickass renditions, so i'm very happy.

[MontyBurns 0]

If it would have just stasyed a nature theme we would not have had these 2 kickass renditions, so i'm very happy.

They truly are great renditions yes, especially that Pelennor rendition. It'll be a boost to reference volume levels when I finally have that cue to play in the ROTK set.

[Richard Penna 3,676]

Well that was my initial opinion (I called it the 'rescuing' theme), but I think either it's used just for effect in those places in RotK, or it's (as some here have suggested) a kind of reclamation of nature/good over evil theme.

But yeah, I suggest we leave this alone at least until people get the set & read the notes.

As for favourite score, Fellowship was the first one that made me go 'wow' in the cinema, but the OST hurt it IMHO, by having those 4 fairly generic tracks in a row with ringwraith music - I'd definitely have preferred more hobbit or caradhras/moria instead.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

As for favourite score, Fellowship was the first one that made me go 'wow' in the cinema, but the OST hurt it IMHO, by having those 4 fairly generic tracks in a row with ringwraith music - I'd definitely have preferred more hobbit or caradhras/moria instead.

IMO for the OST release A Knife In The Dark and Flight To The Ford would have been sufficient.

Prancing Pony and The Black Rider could have been replaced with journey To Weathertop and the music for the fight with the cave troll or the Watcher In The water.

[robthehand 3]

Hopefully, I'll never have to play that awful album again soon.

[Richard Penna 3,676]

That 'awful album' contains the only alternates you're getting for possibly 12 months

And I won't just ditch the expanded version of the OST I made, as for one thing, it's got the original ending with 'In Dreams' coming first, and the hummed rendition of Frodo's theme edited in.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's hardly an awfull album.

It's far from perfect, but at least it's in cronological order.

[robthehand 3]

It's hardly an awfull album.

Perhaps I was being a bit harsh. I guess between them, the two releases of TPM take that honour. The FOTR album doesn't do the score any favours at all though - I bought it before I'd seen the film, and was disappointed by it. I was absolutely blown away by the score when I saw the film.

[Richard Penna 3,676]

It's good, but not the world's greatest.

I saw the movie first, and wasn't really into scores back then. Just a few tracks such as Council of Elrond and Breaking of the Fellowship really affected me and I got them over Kazaa. Then I saw the movie more and discovered I liked more than those few tracks - and back then I also didn't realise that the album didn't contain everything from the film

I got the track 'Flight to the Ford' thinking it would have Galdalf's escape from Orthanc in it (it involves a flight, and I didn't know what a ford was) and 'The Ring Goes South' thinking that I'd get the aforementioned humming rendition. How misguided I was

So believe me, tomorrow will be a special, highly nostalgic day

[robthehand 3]

So believe me, tomorrow will be a special, highly nostalgic day

...or someone at Royal Mail will die. Right?

[Richard Penna 3,676]

I hope it won't come to that

But if so:

[Incanus 5,713]

Well FOTR is certainly my favorite LOTR score. It was the first and has that special feeling. It is the foundations of the whole trilogy of music. It was the score that convinced me that Shore could do the job

Still the LOTR scores are a whole and I hate to separate the 2 scores from FOTR.

The OST was very good though they never are perfect. Everyone always feels his/her favorite cue has been left out of the album. That is why complete scores are so good. Everybody get everything they could want from the score

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

Yay! My order has been sent.

- Marc, who actually did a little dance when he saw the message.

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

Did you danced to some Williams tune at least?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

HURRAY...my order has been sent also.

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

Congratulations to everyone.

Merry Christmas!

[Richard Penna 3,676]

I hope our post comes before 8am tomorrow, as I have to leave at 8.30 for a lecture then a doc's appointment and won't be back until about 12

[robthehand 3]

Tragic.

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

LOL

Things like that happen. Murphy's law i suppose.

[Richard Penna 3,676]

This is nearly an official LotR chatroom

Seriously though, I think I'll pop over there

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

I was going to erase my smilie only post, but you didnt let me...