Wojo 2,453 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Vosk,Have you made a film edit of The Imperial March as it's used to introduce the Executor? After listening to my ESB SE in the car over the weekend, I do realize now that piece of music would need inserted into the middle of "The Imperial Probe/Aboard the Executor." That would force much of that awesome cue to be omitted or removed entirely. I think I may be able to make a cut around the ~1:50 mark and stick a shortened version of T.Imp.M. there, if I knew which last note to put at the end of the film version of that cue. Then it would play the rest of the SE track as an alternate, before going into the rest of the underscore as Vader changes course to Hoth. The concert piece in its entirety is much too long to put there, so I may be content to have the film edit play out when I listen to the Anthology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 The film edit for that cue sucks balls. I prefer the original intended version... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 That is merely your humble opinion, my friend. Since I will find no help here, I will ask no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DejaQ 0 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 That is merely your humble opinion, my friend. Since I will find no help here, I will ask no more.How dramatic. I genuinely sympathize with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjguitar 0 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 If you really want to get the last word on the Star Wars SE albums, I suggest subscribing to FSMOnline and going to the back issue archive. Volume 2, Number 1 from 1997 has articles by Michael Matessino detailing the creation of these albums. NeilWhat a great read, thanks for mentioning this--a year and a half ago---Neil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Vosk,Have you made a film edit of The Imperial March as it's used to introduce the Executor? After listening to my ESB SE in the car over the weekend, I do realize now that piece of music would need inserted into the middle of "The Imperial Probe/Aboard the Executor." That would force much of that awesome cue to be omitted or removed entirely. I think I may be able to make a cut around the ~1:50 mark and stick a shortened version of T.Imp.M. there, if I knew which last note to put at the end of the film version of that cue. Then it would play the rest of the SE track as an alternate, before going into the rest of the underscore as Vader changes course to Hoth. The concert piece in its entirety is much too long to put there, so I may be content to have the film edit play out when I listen to the Anthology.Darth, I have made a film edit of that sequence for my ESB collection. I like it, although I agree the intended cue is superior. I removed everything in the track up to the beat where the cue begins in the film, and then put eighty or so seconds of The Imperial March in there. I removed The Imperial Probe completely, as I wanted to put that into a film version of the Main Title/The Imperial Probe (or The Ice Planet Hoth if you prefer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VadersQuest 0 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 11. RESCUE FROM CLOUD CITY/HYPERSPACE SE Disc 2 Track 11 (0:00-5:05) + Anthology Disc 4 (5:06-end) mix (on last chord): Anthology Disc 2 Track 18 What track am I supposed to use on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 "Losing a Hand," which is on Disc 4 of the Anthology, and is comparable to the "Rescue from Cloud City" portion on the SE discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Don't forget:there's an alternate Carbon Freeze segment (2:39-3:21), which you can edit out of the cue, and use to make an alternate Carbon Freeze cue, replacing the segment at 3:21 - 4:00, which is the correspondent film version segment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I know im changing the subject, but didn't want to start a new thread for it. Is it me or does the music from Episodes IV V IV sound their best on the Musical Journey DVD? The peice thats most impressive is probably "The Imperial March", it sounds fantastic! Also the other peice that striked me the most was the presentation of Light Of The Force near the end of the video. It sounds so superior to the Special Edition versions and the Anthology (well only a bit better than the Anthology)Does anyone else agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I know im changing the subject, but didn't want to start a new thread for it. Is it me or does the music from Episodes IV V IV sound their best on the Musical Journey DVD? The peice thats most impressive is probably "The Imperial March", it sounds fantastic! Also the other peice that striked me the most was the presentation of Light Of The Force near the end of the video. It sounds so superior to the Special Edition versions and the Anthology (well only a bit better than the Anthology)Does anyone else agree?Yes I absoluetly agree with that.. one day I have to rip those from the DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 just ashame they put quotes in both mixes of all the tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I posted this somewhere else but I can't remember where: Does anyone have the edit of "The Rebel Fleet/End Title" from X-WING VS TIE FIGHTER? It's where the end of "The Rebel Fleet" segues into the last part of "End Title." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Charlie, I own the game but haven't touched it for years. Is the music on that game as Redbook CD audio or as MP3 audio. If I remember, I'll check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Darth, from what I remember, you can put it into the CD drive and iTunes/WMP will pick it up as an audio CD and you can import the tracks. I tried getting the game's files but I couldn't find it in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Ok, that's Redbook audio. That's easy. I remember listening to the music from Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight often before getting the SE soundtracks for the wealth of new material that it used, even though it was cut up and reordered like mad. I'll look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Thanks man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I'll try again tonight, Charlie. I didn't turn on my computer last night so I couldn't skim through the disc's audio as quickly, but I did sample the tracks by popping disc 1 of XWvTF into my CD walkman. What you seek might be in the ~28 minute long track 2 or 3, because the remaining shorter tracks didn't seem to be what you wanted. I could be wrong, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Awesome, thanks Darth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Has the music in ROTJ where Luke swings for the Emperor and Vader blocks him ever actually been released? The SE track six leads up to this, but the final sting is very different. Or could it be tracked from somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DejaQ 0 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Has the music in ROTJ where Luke swings for the Emperor and Vader blocks him ever actually been released? The SE track six leads up to this, but the final sting is very different. Or could it be tracked from somewhere else?That part's tracked from the duel, right before Luke tosses his saber away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Thanks! I knew I'd heard it somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 why in Empire Strikes Back is the Music Stereo image is flipped and the Cellos and Double Bass are on the Left?I was listening to it the other day (Carbon Freeze Scene) when Han has been frozen and you hear that dark ostinato on the Low end strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 why in Empire Strikes Back is the Music Stereo image is flipped and the Cellos and Double Bass are on the Left?I was listening to it the other day (Carbon Freeze Scene) when Han has been frozen and you hear that dark ostinato on the Low end strings.anthology or RCA?one of the two has inverted channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 why in Empire Strikes Back is the Music Stereo image is flipped and the Cellos and Double Bass are on the Left?I was listening to it the other day (Carbon Freeze Scene) when Han has been frozen and you hear that dark ostinato on the Low end strings.anthology or RCA?one of the two has inverted channels.sorry i forgot to mention, it is the Anthology, was sooo shocked that i hadent noticed it before, but im playing it on a new hi fi, was testing it last weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 The stereo was reversed on "Leia's Instructions" and "Departure Of Boba Fett" on the Anthology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 why do they inverse them? its just wierd when it happens :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I'm sure it was unintentional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Just turn your headphones around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Just turn your headphones around.i very rarely listen with headphones, wish it was that easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Just turn your headphones around.i very rarely listen with headphones, wish it was that easyi suppose turing the speakers is out of the question then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 lol yeh the speakers are very heavy lolStar Wars sounds great on my new hi fi, across the stars nearly makes me cry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Then I bet "Throne Room" and "Final Duel" sound absolutely devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Okay, so it's no secret that the 2 disc release of Return of the Jedi sounds like garbage, and the Anthology release sounds SIGNIFICANTLY better. So, seeing as I'm extremely lazy but have both releases, can someone point me in the direction of a guide which allows me to combine the two releases into one in order to get the best possible audio presentation of the overall score? Ie, which tracks from the 2-cd set to replace with tracks from the Anthology release, and which to keep, which are alternates, etc. I assume there's a guide out there to help with this, but I couldn't find anything.I got discouraged with this. There are so many alternative cues buried in the body of the score and random problems (e.g. film version of "Ewok Celebration" attached to Empire end titles on the Anthology) that it's impossible to smoothly edit a proper representation of the score.It took me some work, but I think I got a satisfying edit out of it - including that Ewok Celebration edit. I like the fact that with this score, you can fill an entire CD with alternates - and create a sort of alternate 'OST album' of your own.Here's my tracklist:CD 101. 20th Century Fox Fanfare02. Main Title / Approaching the Death Star / Tatooine Rendezvous 9.1703. Jabba's Baroque Recital 3.0304. The Droids Are Captured 1.1705. Lapti Nek (Album Version) 2.5006. Bounty for a Wookiee 2.5007. Han Solo Returns / At the Court of Jabba the Hutt (Film Version) 4.0208. Luke Confronts Jabba / Den of the Rancor / Sarlacc Sentence 8.1109. The Pit of Carkoon / Sail Barge Assault (Film Version) 6.0110. The Emperor Arrives (Alternate) 2.0711. The Death fo Yoda / Obi-Wan's Revelation 8.5712. Alliance Assembly 2.1213. Shuttle Tydirium Approaches Endor 4.1214. Speeder Bike Chase / Land of the Ewoks 9.3915. Ewok Feast / The Levitation / Part of the Tribe 6.34CD 201. Brother and Sister 3.1002. Father and Son / The Fleet Enters Hyperspace 5.2703. Heroic Ewok 2.1104. The Emperor's Throne Room 3.2905. The Battle of Endor I 11.5206. The Lightsaber / The Ewok Battle 3.4707. The Battle of Endor II 10.0708. The Battle of Endor III 6.0609. Leia's News / Light of the Force (Film Version) 2.2910. Ewok Celebration (Film Version) / End Title 7.57Alternates album:01. Main Title / Approaching the Death Star 5.22 [Nothing alternate here, just opening the CD]02. Lapti Nek (Full Version) 5.2603. Lapti Nek (Instrumental) 6.5104. Jedi Rocks 2.4605. At the Court of Jabba the Hutt (Concert Version) 1.22 [This is only the partial suite, of course]06. At the Court of Jabba the Hutt (Alternate) 1.1607. Sail Barge Assault (Alternate) 1.1608. The Emperor Arrives (Film Version) 2.0309. Parade of the Ewoks 3.2710. Luke and Leia 4.4711. The Forest Battle (Concert Suite) 4.0412. The Emperor's Death (Album Version) 2.4513. Leia's News / Light of the Force (Alternate) 2.21 [i think I had to swap the cues to get each of the alternates together and each of the film versions together, the latter of which I preferred]14. Victory Celebration 2.2615. Ewok Celebration (Album Version) / End Title 7.58I used the Anthology wherever possible for its sound quality, but you need to do a lot of edits of course for that. I didn't keep a detailed editing guide, but this should be more than enough to figure it all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 That looks incredible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Awesome work, Fommes! That's pretty near to mine, although I left a couple of things off to put it down to two CDs.:Disc One1. Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare2. Main Title/Approaching The Death Star3. The Droids - Jabba’s Palace4. The Droids Are Captured5. Bounty For A Wookiee6. Han Solo Returns7. Luke Confronts Jabba/Den Of The Rancor8. The Pit of Carkoon/Sail Barge Assault9. The Emperor Arrives10. The Death of Yoda11. Your Twin Sister12. Alliance Assembly13. Faking The Code14. Speeder Bike Chase/Land of the Ewoks15. The Levitation/Threepio’s Bedtime StoryBonus Tracks16. Lapti Nek (Source)17. The Max Rebo Band (Source)18. Jabba’s Baroque Recital (Source)19. Ewok Feast/Part of the Tribe (Source)20. The Return of the Jedi (Alternate)21. The Emperor Arrives (Film Version)22. Vader Communicates/The Lightsaber (Unused)23. Obi-Wan’s Revelation (Unused)Disc Two1. Brother and Sister2. Father and Son/The Fleet Enters Hyperspace3. Heroic Ewok4. The Emperor Confronts Luke5. Into The Trap6. Endor Capture7. First Ewok Battle/Fight With The Fighters8. The Lightsaber9. The Ewok Battle10. Leia Is Wounded/Vader and Luke Duel11. Capturing the Bunker/Final Duel/Into The Death Star12. The Emperor’s Death13. Superstructure Chase/Darth Vader’s Death14. Through The Flames15. Leia Breaks The News16. Funeral Pyre For A Jedi17. Ewok Celebration/End TitleBonus Tracks18. Leia Breaks The News (Alternate)19. Funeral Pyre For A Jedi (Alternate)20. The Forest Battle (Concert Suite)21. Luke and Leia (Concert Suite)22. Jabba The Hutt (Concert Suite)23. Victory Celebration (Special Edition)24. Through The Flames (Film Version)25. Finale (Gerhardt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Yeah, fommes, that is a pretty great tracklisting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I managed to fit everything onto 2 discs too and I did a bit of "remastering" for the cues. Basically made them a bit more brighter than before and it worked out for the most part and it does sound a lot better, at least to me. I too used the Anthology cues where ever I could.DISC ONE01. 20th Century Fox Fanfare02. Main Title / Vader's Arrival03. Tatooine Rendezvous04. The Droids Are Captured05. Bounty For A Wookiee06. Han Solo Returns07. Luke Confronts Jabba / Fight In The Dungeon / Sarlaac Sentence08. The Pit Of Carkoon09. Sail Barge Assault10. The Emperor Arrives11. Death Of Yoda / Obi-Wan's Revelation12. Alliance Assembly13. Faking The Code14. Speeder Bike Chase / Land Of The Ewoks15. The Levitation16. Threepio's Bedtime Story17. Brother and Sister18. Father and Son / Fleet Enters Hyperspace19. Heroic Ewok20. The Emperor Confronts LukeDISC TWO01. The Battle Of Endor I02. The Lightsaber / The Ewok Battle03. The Battle Of Endor II04. The Battle Of Endor III05. Leia's News / Light Of The Force06. Ewok Celebration / End Credits07. Jabba's Baroque Recital (Source)08. Jedi Rocks (Source)09. Lapti Nek (Source)10. Sail Barge Assault (Alternate)11. The Emperor Arrives (Alternate Excerpt)12. Parade Of The Ewoks (Concert Suite)13. Ewok Feast / Part Of The Tribe (Source)14. Luke and Leia (Concert Suite)15. The Forest Battle (Concert Suite)16. Leia's News / Light Of The Force (Alternate) - both cues are the alternates17. Ewok Celebration (Alternate)18. Victory Celebration (Special Edition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Then I bet "Throne Room" and "Final Duel" sound absolutely devastating.very much so yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Does anyone have a clean source for the alternate ending of "Yoda and the Force"? Y'know, the cue ending as heard in the original 1980 film, NOT the subsequent Special Edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 It only existed in the Movie and was never on any of the soundtracks. It just very badly edits back to the opening bars of 'The Imperial March'.I do like the idea of that ostinato repeating instead of the Special Edition version where theres a big Flurish of 'Darth Vader's Theme'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 It only existed in the Movie and was never on any of the soundtracks. It just very badly edits back to the opening bars of 'The Imperial March'.I do like the idea of that ostinato repeating instead of the Special Edition version where theres a big Flurish of 'Darth Vader's Theme'.Yeah, I actually prefer that Imperial March repeat over the SE ending. I suppose I can't get enough of "The Imperial March". Oh well, guess I'll have to rip the 2.0 audio from the original version of ESB and edit it with "Yoda and the Force" from the OST myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I prefer the original ending (the one in the SE). The other one just seems too awkward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 It only existed in the Movie and was never on any of the soundtracks. It just very badly edits back to the opening bars of 'The Imperial March'.I do like the idea of that ostinato repeating instead of the Special Edition version where theres a big Flurish of 'Darth Vader's Theme'.Yeah, I actually prefer that Imperial March repeat over the SE ending. I suppose I can't get enough of "The Imperial March". Oh well, guess I'll have to rip the 2.0 audio from the original version of ESB and edit it with "Yoda and the Force" from the OST myself.im the same, just cant get enough of 'The Imperial March' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 im the same, just cant get enough of 'The Imperial March' Well, I would expect nothing less from a member named aj vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 im the same, just cant get enough of 'The Imperial March' Well, I would expect nothing less from a member named aj vader. lol yes, its only fortunate that my favourite peice of music is for my favourite fictional character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Okay, I'm so sorry to ask a question that surely must've been answered repeatedly over the course of this thread, but...do we have a list of all available clean openings/endings for the cues? I'm talking about openings and endings that were edited in the SE release but can be found elsewhere in other releases or games or whatever. I'd really appreciate the info, if anyone could help me out, particularly where ESB is concerned. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 All the clean opening and endings can be found on the Star Wars Anthology CD Set from 1993, which I beleive all the games use. hope this answers your query Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Thanks! Now, I remember back in the good old days, when the FTP was up, but my link for that no longer works, and I haven't participated in these threads for some time...is there still some way for someone who only owns the SEs to get their hands on those files, preferably in a lossless format? I'm trying to put together my edit of ESB. Thanks so much for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00...7694&sr=8-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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