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A lot of new threads on Munich popping up. Perhaps the mod can consolidate all of them into a single thread here?

Notes on the movie (only for people who care about what critics happen to think):

So far, in terms of critical opinion, it looks as though one can locate it somewhere below Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan but above Amistad among recent "serious" efforts from Spielberg. At Metacritic, the film has landed an 85, with four major critics weighing in. Expect that figure to drop markedly once the habitual Spielberg detractors at Salon.com, The Village Voice, and Chicago Reader put up their reviews. By comparison, the TomatoMeter over at Rotten Tomatoes is registering a 67%.

The film isn't winning any of the big critics awards (those are going to Brokeback Mountain) but has gotten a few nominations and appears to be a staple among top 10 lists.

The film's politics have, as expected, proven to be polarizing -- frequent charges of "moral equivalency" and "distorting reality."

Notes on the score:

On this mark, everyone's saying the same thing. Muted, subdued, invisible, and so on. Sounds like another score that'll divide Williams fans. I'm looking forward to picking this one up.

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On this mark, everyone's saying the same thing. Muted, subdued, invisible, and so on. Sounds like another score that'll divide Williams fans. I'm looking forward to picking this one up.

Basically I remember some reviews of Schindler's List stated the same thing.

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On this mark, everyone's saying the same thing. Muted, subdued, invisible, and so on. Sounds like another score that'll divide Williams fans. I'm looking forward to picking this one up.

Basically I remember some reviews of Schindler's List stated the same thing.

Did they? The Schindler's List score was subdued so they were right.

I have high hopes for the Munich score. It might be suspence music but if the movie needs suspence then that's the kind of music Williams has provided. But those early descriptions mention those main thematic ideas that sound very good to me. It seems to me that Williams will be scoring the introspection of the main character and his inner conflict . I am excited about the music and interested to see the movie.

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I saw the film last night. It's a four star movie, but not as good as Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan. Spielberg's goal of peace is fairly clear throughout and he employs various tricks to show that any killing, whether done by Avner or others, is simply maintaining the energy in the pendulum. Each assassination becomes more and more difficult, both logistically and emotionally, for him. The team watches as each of their jobs is followed by more violence from the other side. To us, this kind of perpetual motion, as Spielberg calls it, is so clear and self-destructive, but the characters barely are able to see that, though some raise the issue as the film progresses. Overall, an outstanding film and the acting ensemble is flawless. I don't think anyone but Spielberg could have made this film. In terms of Williams' score, it's barely noticable, usually as ominous underscore or choral lament but occasionally with one or two themes featuring clarinet. See this film.

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The fact that the movie hasn't been nominated for a Golden Globe in the Best Picture (Drama) category says a lot. And no Best Picture nod for Memoirs of a Geisha where Spielberg is one of its 3 producers.

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I saw the film last night. It's a four star movie, but not as good as Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan. Spielberg's goal  of peace is fairly clear throughout and he employs various tricks to show that any killing, whether done by Avner or others, is simply maintaining the energy in the pendulum. Each assassination becomes more and more difficult, both logistically and emotionally, for him. The team watches as each of their jobs is followed by more violence from the other side. To us, this kind of perpetual motion, as Spielberg calls it, is so clear and self-destructive, but the characters barely are able to see that, though some raise the issue as the film progresses. Overall, an outstanding film and the acting ensemble is flawless.  I don't think anyone but Spielberg could have made this film. In terms of Williams' score, it's barely noticable, usually as ominous underscore or choral lament but occasionally with one or two themes featuring clarinet. See this film.

Sounds promising. Thanks for the review.

The fact that the movie hasn't been nominated for a Golden Globe in the Best Picture (Drama) category says a lot.  

Maybe it was too late for the Globes.

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On this mark, everyone's saying the same thing. Muted, subdued, invisible, and so on. Sounds like another score that'll divide Williams fans. I'm looking forward to picking this one up.

Basically I remember some reviews of Schindler's List stated the same thing.

Invisible? That doesn't sound too promising. A film score can be many things, but it should never be invisible, or else why have music at all?

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I'm sick and tired of reviewers calling Williams subdued scores atypical for him. Let's tally his subdued scores of the last 15 years to his "bombastic" ones:

Subdued:

Born on the 4th of July

Always

Stanley and Iris

Presumed Innocent

Schindler's List

Sabrina

Sleepers

Rosewood

Seven Years in Tibet

Amistad

Saving Private Ryan

Stepmom

Angela's Ashes

AI

Catch Me If You Can

The Terminal

Memoirs of a Geisha

Munich

"Bombastic":

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

Home Alone

Hook

JFK

Far and Away

Home Alone 2

Jurassic Park

Nixon (Might be considered generally subdued)

The Lost World

The Phantom Menace

The Patriot

Harry Potter 1

Attack of the Clones

Harry Potter 2

Minority Report (may be subdued category)

Harry Potter 3

Revenge of the Sith

War of the Worlds

That's 18 "subdued" scores and 18 "bombastic" scores. Why are reviewers constantly surprised when Williams writes a subdued score? Can't get Star Wars out of their heads?

If this list proves anything, it proves that neither type of score is "typical" for Williams.

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Here you can see a short featurette on Munich, with footage from the film and interviews with Spielberg, Eric Bana and Kathleen Kennedy.

In the second part of the clip, there's some music underscoring that sounds unmistakeably like John Williams (a passionate string adagio) and sounds really beautiful.

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The fact that the movie hasn't been nominated for a Golden Globe in the Best Picture (Drama) category says a lot.

Maybe it was too late for the Globes.

It was...

And it was nominated for best director and best screenplay nevertheless? I'm not sure how these things work, but I am surprised Munich was not nominated for best picture, specially after being nominated for two very important categories.

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Well,"subdued and muted" might also be "undermixed",like most of Williams scores lately.You just don't "feel" Williams scores in the theatre anymore like in the days of Hook.If the themes are beautiful the c.d. might do the score more justice,like A.I.

K.m.

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The fact that the movie hasn't been nominated for a Golden Globe in the Best Picture (Drama) category says a lot.

Indeed, essentially fake movie awards are always a good indicator.

The Golden Globes are less fake than the Academy Awards (which only exists of members patting themselves on the back ).

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The adagio in the featurette is very beautiful.

As outspoken admirer of 'Angela's Ashes' or even a piece of drama like 'Anakin's Betrayal' i guess this one should at the very least offer some great album arrangements of Williams string writing.

Even if the rest is subdued.

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Mediocre review can be found here.  A friend of mine saw it last night with a group and none of them liked it.

Neil

Meaning what? They didn't find it enjoyable to watch? It's not meant to be entertaining.

He wouldn't recommend it. He used the term "complete dud" to describe.

Neil

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Mediocre review can be found here.  A friend of mine saw it last night with a group and none of them liked it.

Neil

About that review, I agree with what 'Anonymous' said about it- For a pan, that sure sounded like a good movie to me.

Morlock- who's anticipation of this movie is rising daily, and who's expectations of it are changing just as often

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Tracklist already available.

Running time: 36'' (shortest since "Always")

If you want to listen to some new clips, visit the official site, http://www.munichmovie.com/

Awesome stuff, for the moment, including the israeli theme.

Somehow I have a feeling that running time for the CD may be wrong.

That would mean each cue averages 2:00 mins each.

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And there are probably a couple of concert tracks that time around the 4 minute mark. I does seem hard to believe that the entire 18 track score is just over a half hour. I would probably compare it to the Geisha score in terms of length, and not only because they have the same track count.

Tim

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The adagio-type music is from the short "making of trailer". The female voice was heard very briefly during that trailer too. The other music hasn't been heard before (I think).

I really have to hear more of it to be able to ventilate any kind of opinion.

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I will, however, say that the string adagio sounds like typical Williams' string adagio, a la "Arlington", "Anakin's Betrayal", "Ray and Rachel"....etc. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's nothing really new, though the melody is very nice. Can't wait to hear the rest....

Tim

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