robthehand 3 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 George Lucas on the infamous Greedo shot first scene:From the February issue of EMPIRE:The biggest controversy of all in Star Wars was that it had always been that Han Solo simply shot first, but the way it was cut you couldn't tell that. So people sort of said, 'He murdered him!!' But it wasn't meant to be that way, so I added another shot to make it a little clearer. Obviously a lot of fans that wanted him to be a full-blown murderer got very upset about it, but I think they were misinterpreting the original film. They didn't hear the first shot because it was so close. It's always been that he wasn't a murderer. He's a rogue and everything, but he doesn't gun people down without them also firing. Ultimately it's a crucial point in his character, but not a crucial point in the overall story. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I should send him a copy of the LaserDisc rip, so he could see the original for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 2 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I saw this too.......now if he would just give us some decent OT DVD's so we could go and check it ourselves...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Ah...a anti-Lucas thread.It's been a while, i'm ready for one.Perhaps this will bring Neil back to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 317 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Get over yourselves people, it's just a damn movie. If you don't like it got 4 simple words for you. DO NOT WATCH IT! Fanboys. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 That's not the problem. The problem is Lucas talking sh*t.If he says he changed his mind, that's fine. But if he comes up with some bullcrap story that he was never supposed to shoot first, that's reason enough to take at least one more shot at the guy for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Get over yourselves people, it's just a damn movie. If you don't like it got 4 simple words for you. DO NOT WATCH IT! Fanboys. :roll:And you call us fanboys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 243 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I watched my VHS copies, and there is no indication visually or aurally that Greedo shot first. No smoke on the wall behind Han where the laser would have hit. No confusing sound before Han's gun went off.Sigh.Jeff -- who has given up hope on the original films on DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Indeed.Also, the script says this:HANI bet you have...Suddenly the slimy alien disappears in a blinding flash of light. Han pulls his smoking gun from beneath the table as the other patrons look on in bemused amazement.Looks pretty clear to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Get over yourselves people, it's just a damn movie. If you don't like it got 4 simple words for you. DO NOT WATCH IT! Fanboys. :roll:And you call us fanboys? Exactly. Morlock- who thinks Alex has been exceptionaly succinct these past few hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Get over yourselves people, it's just a damn movie. If you don't like it got 4 simple words for you. DO NOT WATCH IT! Fanboys. :roll:And you call us fanboys? Exactly. Morlock- who thinks Alex has been exceptionaly succinct these past few hoursSuccinct and yet sharp and to the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 You are all wrong,Greedo was stroking Han Solo's leg under the table, that's why he said 'I was waiting for this for a long time'Han was disgusted and blew his brains out,Do you think on the next DVD release Lucas will add this scene?After all he only changed about a TRILLION things on the first original trilogy DVD release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Vincent 8 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Han Solo shooting first or not, who really cares ?Not me :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 Get over yourselves people, it's just a damn movie. If you don't like it got 4 simple words for you. DO NOT WATCH IT! Fanboys. :roll:That's the thing - we want to watch it. But it has serious flaws now that Lucas has... *changed* it. Jabba looks like crap and completely disrupts the flow of that scene, Han Solo looks weird when he dodges Greedo's shot etc.How does wanting to see the original version of a film make us "fanboys"?I have no problem with avoiding the prequels, but I've always loved my VHS copy of Star Wars and I'd like to see it on DVD. What's wrong with that?P.S. I'm not going to make a fuss over whether it says "Episode IV - A New Hope" or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 How does wanting to see the original version of a film make us "fanboys"?I'd say, agreeing with Lucas' every move and believing every word, even when he's altering the truth, strikes me as a whole lot more fanboy-ish. Will there ever be a moment when enough is enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Who is better? John Williams or Hans Zimmer? "I feel almost wrong saying this because Williams has done so many Spielberg classics... but it's Hans Zimmer. Look at the incredible variety of themes he does - from Gladiator, a masterpiece, to Matchstick Men, a fun, jazzy style, then Pirates - a theme that moviegoers (however musically inclined they may be) will never forget. These scores are not only more diverse, but more complex as well." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 Who is better? John Williams or Hans Zimmer? "I feel almost wrong saying this because Williams has done so many Spielberg classics... but it's Hans Zimmer. Look at the incredible variety of themes he does - from Gladiator, a masterpiece, to Matchstick Men, a fun, jazzy style, then Pirates - a theme that moviegoers (however musically inclined they may be) will never forget. These scores are not only more diverse, but more complex as well." The funny thing is, they're not even complimenting Hans Zimmer there. Zimmer has done some good stuff and he is good with synthesisers - but they don't mention that at all! The actual film titles aside, they pretty much describe John Williams.I'll modify a few words:"Look at the incredible variety of themes he does - from Star Wars, a masterpiece, to The Terminal, a fun, jazzy style, then Indiana Jones - a theme that moviegoers (however musically inclined they may be) will never forget. These scores are not only more diverse, but more complex as well." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Frankly I really don't care anymore. I'm burnt out on Star Wars, I have been for many years. I really could care less if Lucas ever releases the original films as they were first viewed. It just doesn't really matter anymore. While the movie Star Wars was fun and brings back alot of fond memories that was 28 years ago and I've more important things to fuss over these days.I will say this though, the retouched Greedo sequences look stupid now. Solo fired first, that's what made the character great, he was out for himself only and wanted to save his ass. Even in TESB he was still concerned about his well being over the Rebellion at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 44 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Frankly I really don't care anymore. I'm burnt out on Star Wars, I have been for many years. I really could care less if Lucas ever releases the original films as they were first viewed. It just doesn't really matter anymore. While the movie Star Wars was fun and brings back alot of fond memories that was 28 years ago and I've more important things to fuss over these days.I will say this though, the retouched Greedo sequences look stupid now. Solo fired first, that's what made the character great, he was out for himself only and wanted to save his ass. Even in TESB he was still concerned about his well being over the Rebellion at times.I agree with every word of this post, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Even in TESB he was still concerned about his well being over the Rebellion at times.After that Solo turned all mushy on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I'm confused about this issue. Because when I was a kid I used to think that Greedo shot at the same time for some reason (I was a kid before the Special Editions). Now, I know Lucas is talking out his ass, or just remembers things wrong, like when Williams says Accross the Stars was the first SW love theme. But A little part of me wonders whether the sound effects changed throughout the 70's and 80's, and that maybe Lucas did mean for Greedo to shoot too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 But A little part of me wonders whether the sound effects changed throughout the 70's and 80's, and that maybe Lucas did mean for Greedo to shoot too.That would be your fanboy part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zéyann 0 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Hey if anyone here is a mind changer it's Lucas, I'm more than used to his behaviour by now. And to be honest, this Greedo thing never bugged me one bit, although I did not grow up with the originals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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